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NCAA looking at Freshman Ineligiblity

Unread post by firemoose » Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:54 pm

Two articles below (one from CBSSports and the other from Yahoo linking to the other) discuss this. Yes, the original bullet point is mainly concerning Men's Basketball but if you read the articles you'll see that the topic is being discussed for all sports. The ramifications of this across the board could be far reaching in both directions. Just another in the long line of things to watch in the coming months.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... idering-it

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr- ... 45078.html

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Re: NCAA looking at Freshman Ineligiblity

Unread post by AppSt94 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:58 pm

Why not just make the eligibility rule for basketball the same as it is for baseball? You can sign a LOI and enter the draft. if you don't like your draft position or go undrafted then you go to school for a minimum of 3 years.

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Re: NCAA looking at Freshman Ineligiblity

Unread post by EastHallApp » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:19 pm

I don't buy for a second that this will happen, or even be seriously considered.

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Re: NCAA looking at Freshman Ineligiblity

Unread post by DoubleA » Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:15 am

I don't buy for a second that this will happen, or even be seriously considered.

Agree- unfortunately, money is the driver in college athletics, not student welfare. Scholarships would have to be increased to field a full varsity roster plus freshman roster. Rising scholarship costs would squeeze budgets and limit athletic departments ability to pay ever increasing coaching and administration salaries. Although highly unlikely to pass due to money reasons, restoring the freshmen ineligibility rule would be a good step to restoring a level of integrity to the NCAA's so called student-athlete model.

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Re: NCAA looking at Freshman Ineligiblity

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Re: NCAA looking at Freshman Ineligiblity

Unread post by AppfaninCAALand » Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:10 am

AppSt94 wrote:Why not just make the eligibility rule for basketball the same as it is for baseball? You can sign a LOI and enter the draft. if you don't like your draft position or go undrafted then you go to school for a minimum of 3 years.
This seems to make too much sense to be considered by the NCAA.

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Unread post by bigdaddyg » Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:29 am

This rule would destroy Kentucky basketball. All of the one and done kids would just go play overseas for a year then go in the draft. Or they could still enroll in Kentucky, take a regular freshman classload, go to class, stay eligible, blah blah blah. Side note- cracked me up to see Jabari Parker in his Duke gear at the game the other night. Will he always consider himself a Dookie?

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Re: NCAA looking at Freshman Ineligiblity

Unread post by EastHallApp » Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:59 am

AppfaninCAALand wrote:
AppSt94 wrote:Why not just make the eligibility rule for basketball the same as it is for baseball? You can sign a LOI and enter the draft. if you don't like your draft position or go undrafted then you go to school for a minimum of 3 years.
This seems to make too much sense to be considered by the NCAA.
I support this rule too, though I would make it a two-year minimum for basketball.

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Re: NCAA looking at Freshman Ineligiblity

Unread post by NewApp » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:45 am

DoubleA wrote:I don't buy for a second that this will happen, or even be seriously considered.

Agree- unfortunately, money is the driver in college athletics, not student welfare. Scholarships would have to be increased to field a full varsity roster plus freshman roster. Rising scholarship costs would squeeze budgets and limit athletic departments ability to pay ever increasing coaching and administration salaries. Although highly unlikely to pass due to money reasons, restoring the freshmen ineligibility rule would be a good step to restoring a level of integrity to the NCAA's so called student-athlete model.
Totally agree, Double A. The NCAA has shown time and time again that when they talk about the student athletes' welfare, that is all they are actually doing....talking about it.

RP to all points, especially regarding the integrity factor.
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Re: NCAA looking at Freshman Ineligiblity

Unread post by NewApp » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:48 am

EastHallApp wrote:
AppfaninCAALand wrote:
AppSt94 wrote:Why not just make the eligibility rule for basketball the same as it is for baseball? You can sign a LOI and enter the draft. if you don't like your draft position or go undrafted then you go to school for a minimum of 3 years.
This seems to make too much sense to be considered by the NCAA.
I support this rule too, though I would make it a two-year minimum for basketball.
The professional agents would have a field day and swarm the campuses, homes, phone lines, e-mail, etc. 24/7/365.
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Re: NCAA looking at Freshman Ineligiblity

Unread post by EastHallApp » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:55 am

NewApp wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:
AppfaninCAALand wrote:
AppSt94 wrote:Why not just make the eligibility rule for basketball the same as it is for baseball? You can sign a LOI and enter the draft. if you don't like your draft position or go undrafted then you go to school for a minimum of 3 years.
This seems to make too much sense to be considered by the NCAA.
I support this rule too, though I would make it a two-year minimum for basketball.
The professional agents would have a field day and swarm the campuses, homes, phone lines, e-mail, etc. 24/7/365.
So what's different about that from the current rule?

The difference is that there'd actually be less reason for them to do so, as many of their biggest targets would never set foot on campus.

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Re: NCAA looking at Freshman Ineligiblity

Unread post by DoubleA » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:57 am

reinstate the freshman ineligibility rule and give athletes the chance to establish themselves as students first, and get their feet on the ground in acclimating to college life and academics. The ones that choose this path may well be more inclined to stay and graduate. NCAA cannot control professional sports; if a kid is good enough to go straight out of high school to the pros, or after playing a year or two in college, then so be it. The current one and done system is a charade and needs to be eliminated.
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Re: NCAA looking at Freshman Ineligiblity

Unread post by NewApp » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:22 am

EastHallApp wrote:
NewApp wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:
AppfaninCAALand wrote:
AppSt94 wrote:Why not just make the eligibility rule for basketball the same as it is for baseball? You can sign a LOI and enter the draft. if you don't like your draft position or go undrafted then you go to school for a minimum of 3 years.
This seems to make too much sense to be considered by the NCAA.
I support this rule too, though I would make it a two-year minimum for basketball.
The professional agents would have a field day and swarm the campuses, homes, phone lines, e-mail, etc. 24/7/365.
So what's different about that from the current rule?

The difference is that there'd actually be less reason for them to do so, as many of their biggest targets would never set foot on campus.
When they set foot on campus now, the university is at risk of being penalized by the NCAA. Lifting the rule would allow them unlimited access and they would take advantage of that relentlessly to the detriment of the student as well as the university as a whole. Just my opinion which is shared by many others.
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Re: NCAA looking at Freshman Ineligiblity

Unread post by EastHallApp » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:56 am

NewApp wrote: When they set foot on campus now, the university is at risk of being penalized by the NCAA. Lifting the rule would allow them unlimited access and they would take advantage of that relentlessly to the detriment of the student as well as the university as a whole. Just my opinion which is shared by many others.
I don't follow your logic. Why would the NBA changing its draft eligibility rule result in the NCAA changing its rules on agents having contact with college athletes?

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Re: NCAA looking at Freshman Ineligiblity

Unread post by bcoach » Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:34 pm

Anything that does away with one and done would be good.

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Unread post by NewApp » Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:32 pm

bcoach wrote:Anything that does away with one and done would be good.
Spot on, bcoach. I'm just not sure there is a practical way to do it.
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Re: NCAA looking at Freshman Ineligiblity

Unread post by bcoach » Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:37 pm

NewApp wrote:
bcoach wrote:Anything that does away with one and done would be good.
Spot on, bcoach. I'm just not sure there is a practical way to do it.
I think appst94 has a good idea.

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Re: NCAA looking at Freshman Ineligiblity

Unread post by EastHallApp » Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:48 pm

bcoach wrote:
NewApp wrote:
bcoach wrote:Anything that does away with one and done would be good.
Spot on, bcoach. I'm just not sure there is a practical way to do it.
I think appst94 has a good idea.
As I said, I agree that it's a good idea. The problem is that the NCAA can't pass age minimums for pro leagues. That's up to the NBA, and while Adam Silver has said he'd like to change the rule to a two-year minimum, the players' union chief has said that's a nonstarter.

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Re: NCAA looking at Freshman Ineligiblity

Unread post by bcoach » Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:54 pm

EastHallApp wrote:
bcoach wrote:
NewApp wrote:
bcoach wrote:Anything that does away with one and done would be good.
Spot on, bcoach. I'm just not sure there is a practical way to do it.
I think appst94 has a good idea.
As I said, I agree that it's a good idea. The problem is that the NCAA can't pass age minimums for pro leagues. That's up to the NBA, and while Adam Silver has said he'd like to change the rule to a two-year minimum, the players' union chief has said that's a nonstarter.
Understood, just a wish.

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Re: NCAA looking at Freshman Ineligiblity

Unread post by AppinVA » Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:16 pm

bcoach wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:
bcoach wrote:
NewApp wrote:
bcoach wrote:Anything that does away with one and done would be good.
Spot on, bcoach. I'm just not sure there is a practical way to do it.
I think appst94 has a good idea.
As I said, I agree that it's a good idea. The problem is that the NCAA can't pass age minimums for pro leagues. That's up to the NBA, and while Adam Silver has said he'd like to change the rule to a two-year minimum, the players' union chief has said that's a nonstarter.
Understood, just a wish.
I don't get it, as the union represents its current players. College kids aren't current players. The union would do a better job by its members by supporting a two years out of high school rule.
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