One man's wish-list for Doug Gillin

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Re: One man's wish-list for Doug Gillin

Unread post by ASUGoose » Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:16 pm

AppGrad78 wrote:Open letter to Doug Gillin:

Doug, I put together a top 10 wish-list, or rather a to-do list, that I'd like to see you accomplish during your time at App State. It's only one man's list but it's important for you to know that there are lots of hurdles awaiting you. Lots of challenges ahead.
  • 1) First and foremost, run a clean program. We're not impressed with some of the things that went on at Missouri. Hopefully those were random issues and not a culture of allowing coaches to work "the gray areas" of intercollegiate athletics. You'll lose our support the second you bring in a crook to run one of our programs. If there is a choice between winning and running a clean program, we'll take the latter.

    2) Develop an athletics village. Our men's and women's soccer programs need a home closer to campus. Our track and field programs should be moved out of Kidd Brewer Stadium into their own home. Softball is being squeezed. We have other programs that could benefit from the symmetry of an athletic village. Ideally the space currently occupied by the Broyhill Inn would fit the bill. Barring that, the property at old Watauga High School is on the market. These ideas have been bandied about for years. Somebody needs to make them happen. Oh, and while you're at it, the Sofield Indoor Center needs to be expanded to 100 yards.

    3) Promote David Jackson. I can think of dozens of reasons why Jackson is the most under-utilized resource we have. Need one? He's the best play-by-play man in the country. Leverage that strength. Make him your right-hand man and pay him accordingly.

    4) Properly honor Jerry and Margaret Moore. Thanks to Chancellor Everts and Jackson and several behind-the-scenes heroes like Steve Brown, we made inroads in that department last fall. But there's more to do. Rename Conrad/Brewer/Murphy Stadium to Moore Stadium. Erect a statue beside The Rock. Rename Stadium Drive to Moore Way. Jerry Moore is the George Washington of our Mount Rushmore. He needs to be treated as such.

    5) Fix the men's basketball schedule. Give us a reason to drive up the mountain on a cold, snowy Saturday afternoon in January. We have the right coach. Gone are those insufferable D-II and D-III matchups. Now give us some power conference teams at the Holmes Center. Get us excited about men's basketball.

    6) Move us into a regional conference. Our move to the Sun Belt was probably a necessary first step in our desire to move out of FCS. But our travel budget is hemorrhaging money and this move will be a failure if we don't take another larger leap into a regional conference. Work with Carl Benson and the other commissioners. Make a regional conference a priority.

    7) Upgrade our football stadium. Drop the playing field 10 feet and add seats closer to the field. Those who say that it's an unnecessary expense probably haven't seen the competitive advantage teams like Montana get at their stadiums. Sure there's rock to move, but it can be done. Don't believe it? Go look at what they've done in Blowing Rock. Bowl in one end zone. Pick one. It doesn't matter which. Give the stadium a unified, quality look. Increase capacity to 30,000 seats. Leave room for future expansion. Oh, and while you're at it, black end zones and a App State football Hall of Fame room, please.

    8) Develop a unified marketing/branding program. This should be in your wheelhouse. Knock it out of the park. The past five years have given us a Hillbilly Yosef logo that is the embarrassment of many of our students and alums, plus woefully bad uniforms for wrestling and baseball, and a black block A logo for football that almost nobody likes. We can do better. And by better, we don't mean those clown outfits in vogue today worn by schools like Maryand and Miami and Oregon and, yes, Missouri. Keep it simple. Keep it classy. Appalachian State is a classy university. Our branding should reflect that. Our fans prefer the white block A.

    9) Raise money like our lives depended on it. Because it does. We've fallen short in this area over the years and we need your expertise in turning this around. We have a lot of wants and needs that only money will solve.

    10) And finally, don't go kicking and screaming into this "cost of attendance" era we live in. Be a leader. We knew this was coming down the pike. It's an inevitable cost of doing business. We either embrace it or limp back to FCS with our tails between our legs. Let's do what we do best, lead.
Best wishes for your time in Boone. We're thrilled to have you.

Thanks for you pulling this initial list together. Gotta start somewhere, but here are my comments/additions:

1. Absolutely - clean program is a must.
2. Sofield Indoor Facility should be priority number 1 in this list you provided but I don't agree with spending funds on these non-revenue generating sports until we are back in the black.
3. Agree here, do whatever it takes to keep DJ here.
4. Make it Jerry Moore Field and put his name on the turf. Keep it Kidd Brewer Stadium unless we can secure a larger corporate sponsor and keep the other larger donors name as is on the home side stands. Agree with renaming stadium drive as Jerry Moore Drive.
5. Basketball schedule isn't going to be fixed overnight but we are trending in the right direction w/ our new coach. Need better game operations and more student involvement at games so I hope Gillin has new ideas to help accomplish this task.
6. Not going to happen any time soon nor do I think this is needed in the next 5-10 years. We just need to worry about fundraising and improving facilities which leads to better talent which leads to more wins.
7. Football stadium improvements are a must - agree with removal of track please. Anything that can be done to increase attendance and attract the best talent we can get is a must. Black endzones are a MUST AS WELL!!
8. Disagree completely on the current logos. LOVE the old school yosef and I constantly get compliments on the logo from both alumni and non-alumni alike. I could care less if the Block A is black or white, it still looks great. No need to change logo, especially not reverting back to the hideous Gorton Fisherman logo.
9. All day and everyday. Priority #1 above all
10. All of the other items take care of this by default.

Welcome aboard Doug Gillin.

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Re: One man's wish-list for Doug Gillin

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:20 pm

Does anyone know what the agreements (length of time, etc.) were for the naming of Kidd Brewer Stadium and Wendell Murphy Field?
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Re: One man's wish-list for Doug Gillin

Unread post by Saint3333 » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:21 pm

hapapp wrote:
AppGrad78 wrote:Hillbilly Yosef is a yellow-faced, two-dimensional, Greek-looking, balding, tiny-corn-cobb-pipe-smoking, beady-eyed, stove-pipe-hat-wearing cartoon of a mountain man with an oyster-shell ear that could have been drawn by a 3-year-old. No, I think we can do better,

Can you provide links that support your belief that sales of the logo are anything more than hum-drum? We're two years into the adoption of this abomination and I rarely see it. Many people, myself included, refuse to wear it.
I prefer it to the hideous one you display.
Preach Hap! I refuse to wear the morphing mountaineer and love the vintage Yosef, wear it to many gamedays and fund raisers for App. I'm proud of where I came from and where I'm going.

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Re: One man's wish-list for Doug Gillin

Unread post by wb247 » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:26 pm

I like victory yosef. However, I don't really care as long as the logo looks like a hand-drawn cartoon-type character. In my opinion, there's nothing more stale and generic than those computer-generated lookin' vector logos like the one we recently moved past. My personal favorite is the "Mountaineer Mania" Yosef. In the end though, what really matters is what the current students will buy. I avoided the 2000's logo as often as possible.

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Unread post by JTApps1 » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:45 pm

AppGrad78 wrote:Hillbilly Yosef is a yellow-faced, two-dimensional, Greek-looking, balding, tiny-corn-cobb-pipe-smoking, beady-eyed, stove-pipe-hat-wearing cartoon of a mountain man with an oyster-shell ear that could have been drawn by a 3-year-old. No, I think we can do better,

Can you provide links that support your belief that sales of the logo are anything more than hum-drum? We're two years into the adoption of this abomination and I rarely see it. Many people, myself included, refuse to wear it.
The majority of people I know have several items with this logo, and I saw first hand how many alumni and students wanted the vintage yosef when dad was selling the car magnets. He sold hundreds of them each season for 4 or 5 years just at our tailgate. Most people said they hated the fisherman logo in your avatar.

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Re: One man's wish-list for Doug Gillin

Unread post by TheAppalachianState » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:23 am

I agree emphatically towards changing the logo. I understand there is tradition with the vintage logo we currently have, but using it as our main logo or on helmets... no.

That being said, I don't have any good ideas that should be in place of it. I do like the block A.

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Re: One man's wish-list for Doug Gillin

Unread post by diehardapp18 » Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:30 am

do something to get a student besides me excited at basketball games

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Unread post by yosefederation » Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:30 am

He definitely has the right ideas for success concerning the business side of collegiate sports imo:http://douggillin.com/5-keys-to-improvi ... -business/

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Unread post by Saint3333 » Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:08 am

Omnismash wrote:I agree emphatically towards changing the logo. I understand there is tradition with the vintage logo we currently have, but using it as our main logo or on helmets... no.

That being said, I don't have any good ideas that should be in place of it. I do like the block A.
It isn't our main logo, the block A is. We use it one game a year. This complaint seems null and void.

This is a good sign though that we aren't debating the hire and are discussing logos. Think about it.

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Re: One man's wish-list for Doug Gillin

Unread post by DoubleA » Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:21 am

many good points, and has the Poster stated, a (his) wish list.

I would expand the point regarding running a clean program to include the concept of using college athletics to develop tomorrow's leaders. this includes a focus on nurturing true student-athletes, who are students first, and athletes second, and includes focus on leadership development. leadership development starts from the top, and includes coaching hires. Jerry Moore is the model of the coach who focuses on his players first, does the right things right, and is successful on the field as a by-product. See John Wooden's a Pyramid of Success.

the athletic village concept is an opportunity to bring MSOC and WSOC back on campus where they belong, and perhaps leverage a facility to serve track as we'll. Great bang for the buck. Of course such a facility would depend on major contributions of capital dollars, not funded via operating budgets.

lowering the football field would be on my nice to have list and we'll down
the list of priorities.

I have always loved our Old School Yosef and wear him proudly. He's the real deal, and not some computer generated, consultant's design. when he draws comments from the uninformed, I proudly recite his history and meaning to us Mountaineers. He embodies the Mountaineer grit, determination, scrappiness, and toughness.

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Re: One man's wish-list for Doug Gillin

Unread post by MDaniels84 » Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:59 am

Keep Block A (white or black) consistent across sports. Ol Yosef ok for fan t shirts, etc.....
Finish what we started in Kidd Brewer and bowl in area where we have bleachers.
If we aren't going to lower field and put in more seats , please put artificial turf over track during football season to make appearance nicer.
Get Yosef a 4 wheeler or something to ride out on for team entrance.Also, Yosef wants his shine back (and a gun that shoots every time we score)
Win the Sunbelt every year until we move to another conference.
Bring back the 30,000 plus games on fall Saturdays .
Welcome Mr.Gillin !

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Re: One man's wish-list for Doug Gillin

Unread post by IGgreer » Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:12 am

Dear Doug,

Welcome. Don't listen to any of these delusional fans. Just do you.

PS - don't act like a clueless oaf like your predecessor.

Regards,

IG

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Unread post by asu66 » Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:51 am

WVAPPeer wrote:Does anyone know what the agreements (length of time, etc.) were for the naming of Kidd Brewer Stadium and Wendell Murphy Field?
Call or e-mail Kindsay Reeder or Rick Beasley. They'll have the paperwork (contracts or monetary pledges) in their desk files. Guaranteed!
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Unread post by TheAppalachianState » Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:25 pm

Saint3333 wrote:
It isn't our main logo, the block A is. We use it one game a year. This complaint seems null and void.

This is a good sign though that we aren't debating the hire and are discussing logos. Think about it.

Well then, I retract what I said :D

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Re: One man's wish-list for Doug Gillin

Unread post by bigapp » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:00 pm

AppGrad78 wrote: 6) Move us into a regional conference. Our move to the Sun Belt was probably a necessary first step in our desire to move out of FCS. But our travel budget is hemorrhaging money and this move will be a failure if we don't take another larger leap into a regional conference. Work with Carl Benson and the other commissioners. Make a regional conference a priority.
A Regional conference?
  • Southern Conference?
    Big South?
    Atlantic Sun?
    America East?
    NEC?
If you're still upset about moving to FBS, then say so. Regional conferences in this day and age are for small-timers. We are not Wofford, Belmont or Tennessee Tech.

The fact that you don't care for the toughest hombre of them all, Victory Yosef, puts you in a very small minority. I, for one, will forever be grateful we brought it back.

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