The Carolina Way (Cont'd)

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

Sure

"Miriam Cannon Hayes donated millions ($10,000,000 if I remember) to the AppState music program."

But did she "watch" the performances? That was the point being made in the post two above this.

[Yosef]

Sure

"Miriam Cannon Hayes donated millions ($10,000,000 if I remember) to the AppState music program."

But did she "watch" the performances? That was the point being made in the post two above this.

I think it was the largest private donation in Appalachian history and I bet she saw more concerts at App than you have football games.

(I can back that last statement up with no facts but I do know she wasn't a stranger.)

[bcoach]

No I would not. Any kid that played a sport would still be able to note all those things.

How is being the most promising high school violinist in the country different from being the top high school quarterback in the country? If one has better grades than the other and can get into their college solely on academics, why even bother with the extracurricular qualifications?

...So maybe the typical student at University X finished in the top 10% of their high school class, but said university makes allowances for excellent athletes, or piano players, who finished in the top 25% of their high school class...

That's pretty much my point. I see absolutely no problem with taking other attributes into account, as a supplement to academics or even as a trade-off for academic shortcomings, as long it is applied evenly and equally across the board.

It is very different. The music majors have very few in home visits by the music staff. In addition I would also expect that they have the academic background for admission. If they are the finest musician in the country but have very poor grades then we are not the proper place for them. There are places where the only study is their musical skill. This opens a space for a student at ASU who makes the grade.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

Sure

"Miriam Cannon Hayes donated millions ($10,000,000 if I remember) to the AppState music program."

But did she "watch" the performances? That was the point being made in the post two above this.

I think it was the largest private donation in Appalachian history and I bet she saw more concerts at App than you have football games.

(I can back that last statement up with no facts but I do know she wasn't a stranger.)

I was placing tongue firmly in cheek hence the lol. I am sure you are correct on both counts. Largest donation, and her times at music events.

I just thoght it was a funny aside for anyone to question that sort of gift, and yet I was.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

No I would not. Any kid that played a sport would still be able to note all those things.

How is being the most promising high school violinist in the country different from being the top high school quarterback in the country? If one has better grades than the other and can get into their college solely on academics, why even bother with the extracurricular qualifications?

...So maybe the typical student at University X finished in the top 10% of their high school class, but said university makes allowances for excellent athletes, or piano players, who finished in the top 25% of their high school class...

That's pretty much my point. I see absolutely no problem with taking other attributes into account, as a supplement to academics or even as a trade-off for academic shortcomings, as long it is applied evenly and equally across the board.

It is very different. The music majors have very few in home visits by the music staff. In addition I would also expect that they have the academic background for admission. If they are the finest musician in the country but have very poor grades then we are not the proper place for them. There are places where the only study is their musical skill. This opens a space for a student at ASU who makes the grade.

As the family was driving around Boone earlier today one of my daughters mentioned someone they knew that was admitted to the Hayes School of Music but could not get in to App as a rising freshman. This student is not attending App. Maybe a conservatory is the best place for this person, though I feel bad for anyone that wants to go to App not be given the chance.

[bcoach]

No I would not. Any kid that played a sport would still be able to note all those things.

How is being the most promising high school violinist in the country different from being the top high school quarterback in the country? If one has better grades than the other and can get into their college solely on academics, why even bother with the extracurricular qualifications?

...So maybe the typical student at University X finished in the top 10% of their high school class, but said university makes allowances for excellent athletes, or piano players, who finished in the top 25% of their high school class...

That's pretty much my point. I see absolutely no problem with taking other attributes into account, as a supplement to academics or even as a trade-off for academic shortcomings, as long it is applied evenly and equally across the board.

It is very different. The music majors have very few in home visits by the music staff. In addition I would also expect that they have the academic background for admission. If they are the finest musician in the country but have very poor grades then we are not the proper place for them. There are places where the only study is their musical skill. This opens a space for a student at ASU who makes the grade.

As the family was driving around Boone earlier today one of my daughters mentioned someone they knew that was admitted to the Hayes School of Music but could not get in to App as a rising freshman. This student is not attending App. Maybe a conservatory is the best place for this person, though I feel bad for anyone that wants to go to App not be given the chance.

I agree

[MountainMan]

Sorry for getting the thread off topic. My post earlier was a 100% joke, in case some needed to have that spelled out and didn't read (or comprehend) my disclaimer.

Regardless, let's get this thing turned back on where it is intended.....

A complete trashing of "The Carolina Way"..........



Why the heck has UNC-CHeat not yet incurred the wrath, or even the direct attention, of the NCAA???




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[AppDawg]

Regardless, let's get this thing turned back on where it is intended.....

A complete trashing of "The Carolina Way"..........



Why the heck has UNC-CHeat not yet incurred the wrath, or even the direct attention, of the NCAA???

Because the NCAA is in their back pocket and doesn't want to find fault.

In the recent N&O article the latest whistle blower to come forward publically, said she did so only after contacting the NCAA, Accreditation Board, and Wainstein. None of them responded to her allegations/whistle blowing. However, she did hear from UNC's attorney. Which told her the NCAA had provided them her name as coming forward.

Now if the NCAA is investigating, why on earth would they give a whistleblowers name to the institution they are investigating? Something is amiss.

[8993]

If UNC is punished in anyway similar to Syracuse, then they're in trouble.

Syracuse deserved what the NCAA did to them, but UNC deserves worse. Unfortunately, ESPN, the ACC, and NCAA will all cover their precious child, the Tarheels. They don't want to see their paychecks cut by a dime if UNC's punishment cuts a penny from any of the money they make every season.

[bcoach]

If UNC is punished in anyway similar to Syracuse, then they're in trouble.

Syracuse deserved what the NCAA did to them, but UNC deserves worse. Unfortunately, ESPN, the ACC, and NCAA will all cover their precious child, the Tarheels. They don't want to see their paychecks cut by a dime if UNC's punishment cuts a penny from any of the money they make every season.

I must not have gotten the whole story. What was the severe punishment? Head coach can't coach 9 games and they have great assistants ready to step in. No tournament this year with a not so great team. Forfeit past games that are now history and really mean nothing. I think they got off pretty lite if that's all there is.

[WVAPPeer]

the loss of 12 scholarships could be somewhat damaging ---

[appdaze]

If UNC is punished in anyway similar to Syracuse, then they're in trouble.

Syracuse deserved what the NCAA did to them, but UNC deserves worse. Unfortunately, ESPN, the ACC, and NCAA will all cover their precious child, the Tarheels. They don't want to see their paychecks cut by a dime if UNC's punishment cuts a penny from any of the money they make every season.

I must not have gotten the whole story. What was the severe punishment? Head coach can't coach 9 games and they have great assistants ready to step in. No tournament this year with a not so great team. Forfeit past games that are now history and really mean nothing. I think they got off pretty lite if that's all there is.

In reality though what else can the NCAA do? They are not a legal law making entity. They do not arrest or judge criminals by sending them to prison. This is the real problem. The NCAA really doesn't have the power to truly do "damage" to a universities athletic program short of the death penalty. If they start trying to throw that card around though then the big schools will surely break away, flip them the bird, and form their own association. Other than suspending coaches, removing scholarships, removing wins, or banning for a few years of the post season what can they really do? They are a paper tiger, a glass cannon, and only exist because the big conferences still agree to allow them do so. College sports are a billion dollar business. There is only one entity in this country that can put strong legal regulations on a business and that is something I fear more than players getting paid to play. It is also something I think will happen decades from now. The NCAA is walking on eggshells and they know it. I doubt we will see anything incredibly harsh towards UNC either. Taking away wins? who cares thats just legacy. The money has already been made off of them. Taking away scholarships? So what, they will still be an above average team making millions of dollars in sales just bidding their time until the punishment lifts. Suspending a coach? Again who cares. They have assistants who know what to do well enough to keep their teams afloat. Go ask Florida State about vacating win. They sure seem super hurt over it right now.....

The program death penalty is their only one true power than can hurt a school because it hits them in the wallet. It is also something they are too afraid to use because it could lead to the slippery slope of their irrelevance in the eyes of the big conferences who will look to move on.

UNC will have scholarships removed, wins removed, coaches suspended, and post seasons bans. If they get something more I will be incredibly surprised.

[HeffnerIV]

Punishing presidents and chancellors would help. Many of those presidents who really don't like this behavior but turn their heads because of the monetary advantages and booster pressure would reconsider.

[appdaze]

Punishing presidents and chancellors would help. Many of those presidents who really don't like this behavior but turn their heads because of the monetary advantages and booster pressure would reconsider.

The NCAA does not have that power to my knowledge. That will not happen. They have no real power.

[HeffnerIV]

Punishing presidents and chancellors would help. Many of those presidents who really don't like this behavior but turn their heads because of the monetary advantages and booster pressure would reconsider.

The NCAA does not have that power to my knowledge. That will not happen. They have no real power.

I wasn't aware of that.

[bcoach]

the loss of 12 scholarships could be somewhat damaging ---

Ok, that's why I thought I was not getting the whole story. Yes that could do some damage and is much more appropriate although another couple years of tournament bans would be even better.

[newtoasu]

Is UNC Chapel Hill under an official investigation by the NCAA for these things. I thought this had already been investigated and they were slapped on the wrist prior to all of this new information coming out. Did they reopen that investigation or start a new one? I was under the impression the NCAA was through with them. I hope I am wrong on this. There has been so much more come to light that they really need the book thrown at them. Of course what went on their was so big and bad that they will never get the punishment they deserve.

[appst89]

Is UNC Chapel Hill under an official investigation by the NCAA for these things. I thought this had already been investigated and they were slapped on the wrist prior to all of this new information coming out. Did they reopen that investigation or start a new one? I was under the impression the NCAA was through with them. I hope I am wrong on this. There has been so much more come to light that they really need the book thrown at them. Of course what went on their was so big and bad that they will never get the punishment they deserve.

Pretty sure I remember hearing that the NCAA reopened the investigation after new information came to light. How vigorously they are pursuing the investigation may be another question entirely.

[GreatAppSt]

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[app87]

https://www.yahoo.com/travel/what-every ... soc_trk=ma


"North Carolina: Biggest producer of sweet potatoes

North Carolina’s biggest exports are sweet potatoes, hogs, and college basketball teams that make people want to punch them in the face."

WTH...Did you read North Dakota?