An L is an L

[bigdaddyg]

Game plans appear to flush Taylor to his right, overload that side of the field and give him nothing to see there. Happened all night. The Ark QB had the ability to extend play after play with his mobility. He would run left or right, elude tacklers and find wide open receivers. At any level the secondary can't cover for 10-15 seconds, guys will get open. Size matters. It has been said repeatedly. To compete at this level we have to get bigger, stronger and faster. DE's at 240 lbs will not get pressure and 200 lb linebackers can't bring down 220 lb backs with arm tackles. Misdirection and up tempo killed us. We could not keep up. We have all held our breath for weeks with the injury issues. Inexperienced O linemen just can't come in and make it happen immediately.

[NewApp]

I think I witnessed a tired team last night. First one I can remember. I believe it has taken its toll 3 games in 14 days is a tall task .

Three overtimes and a Thursday game sure contributed to the fatigue. I predicted that here on Sunday. Thursday games suk.

[Appersrule]

The penalties for unsportsmanlike conduct and personal fouls is microcosm of the general demeanor and attitude of the players, the coaches, by FAR some fans and some of the support staff as well. A lot of people ate some humble pie tonight. No one has arrived. Time to pump the breaks on New Years Bowls. Act like you've got some dang sense. When was the last time you saw Clemson rack up unsportsmanlikes, or even Alabama. Elite teams don't parade around like they've already won something the first week of November.

I agree with the dumb penalties that are being had. This has been an issue for a while as has a weak defensive. Even though I have not commented on the possible bowl games that App may find themselves in, I'm not sure why folks talking about it is a problem. Our team was 7-1 coming into last night and other than Tory and the Clemson game, looked great on both sides of the ball. All about pumping the fandom brakes, but it's cool if folks want to talk about bowl games. Hell,we look good in only our second year in.


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I was referring to New Years Access Bowl talk- have no problem with discussing realistic bowls against other G5s but put the pipe down on playing in a top tier bowl against the nations elite. And I feel you about looking good up until last night. Only thing is, it has been against some of the worst competition in the country. If you are from NC and follow HS you will get this- Its like taking a HS team that is 2A a dominating a split conference with 1As until you have to start playing other 2A teams and then your screwed.

[nomadb]

The penalties for unsportsmanlike conduct and personal fouls is microcosm of the general demeanor and attitude of the players, the coaches, by FAR some fans and some of the support staff as well. A lot of people ate some humble pie tonight. No one has arrived. Time to pump the breaks on New Years Bowls. Act like you've got some dang sense. When was the last time you saw Clemson rack up unsportsmanlikes, or even Alabama. Elite teams don't parade around like they've already won something the first week of November.

I agree with the dumb penalties that are being had. This has been an issue for a while as has a weak defensive. Even though I have not commented on the possible bowl games that App may find themselves in, I'm not sure why folks talking about it is a problem. Our team was 7-1 coming into last night and other than Tory and the Clemson game, looked great on both sides of the ball. All about pumping the fandom brakes, but it's cool if folks want to talk about bowl games. Hell,we look good in only our second year in.


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I was referring to New Years Access Bowl talk- have no problem with discussing realistic bowls against other G5s but put the pipe down on playing in a top tier bowl against the nations elite. And I feel you about looking good up until last night. Only thing is, it has been against some of the worst competition in the country. If you are from NC and follow HS you will get this- Its like taking a HS team that is 2A a dominating a split conference with 1As until you have to start playing other 2A teams and then your screwed.

It's ludicrous to think that fans coming up with far fetched scenarios (for fun!!) about bowls we know we aren't going to has anything to do with the performance of the team. I'm not sure why this would bother anyone. I don't get off on that stuff, but what does it hurt? Some people think it's fun and it has no impact on the team or their performance.

This complaint is probably second only to the guy sitting on his couch watching the game on tv and bitching about not enough people showing up for the game, on my list of ridiculous complaints

[roachgone]

I agree with most everything that has been written but re bowls. I would rather not go to a bowl if we have to limp in with a beat up team and get embarrassed again on national TV. I want to go to a bowl game but not to take a butt whuppin' like happened last night.

[strongwxnc]

Spot on!

This complaint is probably second only to the guy sitting on his couch watching the game on tv and bitching about not enough people showing up for the game, on my list of ridiculous complaints

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[appstatealum]

This team has flaws, and the more competitive teams we have faced have exposed them. 1) play calling needs to adjust to cover our weaknesses. Our line situation is not good enough to cover stretch plays from Lamb or the RBs. Lamb was much more effective when he sat in the pocket last night. 2) our tempo is too slow offensively. There were times when we have defenses on their heels and we are too slow getting the next play snapped. I realize this is a different offense than the "hurry up" quick tempo spread offenses we had under Satterfield in the past, but our team seems like it is built to.benefit from that same style. 3) Our linebacker play is a huge disappointment as of late. Too many guys.in the secondary making stops, usually indicative of undisciplined linebacker play. Stringer may be an exception

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[IIIPete]

It Is hard for me to understand what App Team beat GA. Southern ?

Why is this team so up and down ?

[JTApps1]

I agree our line situation is bad. I have been on the O line recruiting bandwagon since the old MMB days. The defense will probably take the blame for the loss, but the offense or lack there of cost us the game.
As for entitled fans, I'll say I heard many yelling and screaming last night about Scott and his play calling and the effort of the team. They are the same ones who got up and left the minute we started losing. We of course stayed to the bitter end. If you are a fan you cheer for your team in good times and bad.

Speaking of bad fans, one in our section yelled out "That's what you get for firing Jerry Moore."

What??? How does Jerry have anything at all to do with last nights game? Also, I believe we were 7-1 playing what was basically the conference championship game last night. We've had a very good season, and assuming we can win another game or two we will go to a bowl in our first year eligible. It's time for some of these "fans" to decide if they want to live in the past or be apart of the future of this program.

That was the icing on the cake of a frustrating night.

[crzyfrnk]

hard to recover from the fumbles...the momentum swings in the first qtr were amazing, we just couldn't capitalize on our opportunities and Ark St did.....embarrassing

[EastHallApp]

I agree our line situation is bad. I have been on the O line recruiting bandwagon since the old MMB days. The defense will probably take the blame for the loss, but the offense or lack there of cost us the game.
As for entitled fans, I'll say I heard many yelling and screaming last night about Scott and his play calling and the effort of the team. They are the same ones who got up and left the minute we started losing. We of course stayed to the bitter end. If you are a fan you cheer for your team in good times and bad.

Speaking of bad fans, one in our section yelled out "That's what you get for firing Jerry Moore."

What??? How does Jerry have anything at all to do with last nights game? Also, I believe we were 7-1 playing what was basically the conference championship game last night. We've had a very good season, and assuming we can win another game or two we will go to a bowl in our first year eligible. It's time for some of these "fans" to decide if they want to live in the past or be apart of the future of this program.

That was the icing on the cake of a frustrating night.

Yeesh...

[MtnDevil95]

A couple more thoughts, to expand and/or respond to some I've read here.

We all need to remember that Lamb is only a sophomore, and sure he's got more starts than most sophomores, he's still learning and growing. His decision making has improved just since the Clemson debacle, but there is still some improvement needed. He also needs work on reading the whole field and anticipating/adjusting. It's hard for me to criticize him here, because he's shown flashes of brilliance in this area, but not consistency. On more than one occasion he missed catching Ark St offsides by not hiking the ball in time. Similarly, both he and Ledford need to recognize when they have a defense on its heels and use tempo to keep them there. Overall I am very impressed with Lamb, and love that we still have 2 more years of him under center. Better things will come from this kid.

The o-line depth and injuries are as much preventing the offense from running the same scheme as the opposing defenses. There is no way Ark State's defense is as big, fast, or talented as Clemson, and yet in some ways we had less success moving the ball last night than in Death Valley. We have a potentially great QB for 2 more years, 3 amazing RBs next year and a possible game changer in freshman Jalin Moore. Recruiting needs to bring in depth up front to support those guys.

Our defense is tired. Both Saturday and Thursday they faced a up tempo offenses and they are just flat out worn down. I think we have the talent and skill on the field, and I believe in Woody's coaching. The difference in GaSo and Troy/Ark St is tempo and fatigue. Should we be worried about the remaining 3 games? I think it depends as much on those teams' ability to run up tempo and our defense's ability to adjust and overcome.

[appchicago]

I agree our line situation is bad. I have been on the O line recruiting bandwagon since the old MMB days. The defense will probably take the blame for the loss, but the offense or lack there of cost us the game.
As for entitled fans, I'll say I heard many yelling and screaming last night about Scott and his play calling and the effort of the team. They are the same ones who got up and left the minute we started losing. We of course stayed to the bitter end. If you are a fan you cheer for your team in good times and bad.

Speaking of bad fans, one in our section yelled out "That's what you get for firing Jerry Moore."

What??? How does Jerry have anything at all to do with last nights game? Also, I believe we were 7-1 playing what was basically the conference championship game last night. We've had a very good season, and assuming we can win another game or two we will go to a bowl in our first year eligible. It's time for some of these "fans" to decide if they want to live in the past or be apart of the future of this program.

That was the icing on the cake of a frustrating night.

When your only tool is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail.

That's someone with a few drinks in 'em, limited knowledge of what the team's been up to in the last few years, and an ax to grind.

But we are bound to have our share of fairweathers just based on the suddenness of our growth as a fanbase. Before our championship run (which started just a decade ago), what did we average? Under 15k a game? Ballon that up to even 25k a game and there's bound to be a good bit of fat. This board is full of people who actually follow App football passionately and knowledgeably and even HERE there are lots of people who seem to have short memories and a willingness to dismiss our own team with a quickness the moment things get rocky.

So it's disappointing, but not surprising. I think the fanbase gets a little stronger with every passing year, though, as more students become alumni and carry with them fond memories of tailgating and deep football culture on campus, which were not constant fixtures year-in and year-out farther back in our history.

[Appersrule]

We need that fat as a fanbase. Based on the stands all season we need as many bodies as we can get to pay the $$$ AND for whatever reason they want to attend.

[appchicago]

We need that fat as a fanbase. Based on the stands all season we need as many bodies as we can get to pay the $$$ AND for whatever reason they want to attend.

Oh, I definitely would rather have a packed stadium filled with a mix of casual and diehard fans than a small rowdy group and acres of aluminum. But I think that with time, the proportion of fat to muscle is improving and hopefully will continue to improve.

[appstatealum]

I was the one who called out Lamb last week, but I will point out that he looked good when he stayed in the pocket and his abilty to throw the fade route is as good as any QB in the country. The fade to McGuire was right in front of my section and it was a thing of beauty. I criticized Lamb last week, and I still have concerns, but I noticed his strengths can be capitalized on by keeping him in the pocket as opposed to rolling him out. Give him a chance to make reads and let our [undersized] speedy receivers get open.

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[Music_man185]

On top of all the other mentioned reasons that this game was lost, I have a hard time agreeing with the offensive play calls. The coaching staff need to learn to adjust when something isn't working. Trying to run it up the middle on 1st and 2nd down, then throwing a 30 yard bomb on 3rd and long isn't going to cut it. For the majority of this season, I have seen very few slant plays. Hardly anything across the middle or screen passes. Always deep routes along the sidelines.

[EastHallApp]

Just so we're all on the same page re: Lamb -

63% completions
321 yards
4 TD
1 Int
9.2 ypa

All that with a patchwork OL, on a night where we rushed for a season-low total and averaged 3.6 yards per carry.

[WataugaMan]

Should we be worried about the remaining 3 games? I think it depends as much on those teams' ability to run up tempo and our defense's ability to adjust and overcome.

In addition, as you stated, "both he (Taylor) and Ledford need to recognize when they have a defense on its heels and use tempo to keep them there."

Not since the GaSo game have we had more than an one TD lead at any given time. Seems that once we get a 7 point lead we can no longer move the chains.

[biggie]

Lamb did as well as he could last night, only issue I had was holding on a bit long or not taking off a little earlier. The sacks hurt (and a couple that he should have had big runs but left late and D line got him at LOS), especially the strip/TD.