Gillin

[DenverOfTheEast]

We can blame him for the the Fox hire, but that one looked much better on paper than Capel. And, no AD hits on every hire (not with our budget, anyway)

Fox was hired in 2014

Gillin didn't hire Fox, Charlie Cobb did. Gillin fired Fox.

Cobb had Lutz, Ryan Odom as candidates, hires Fox. He's a moron -- hasn't made a good hire at Ga State either.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Gillin has hired 2 softball coaches, 1 volleyball coach, 1 baseball coach, 1 men's basketball coach, 1 women's basketball coach, 1 track and field, x country, multiple golf coaches (should cut the golf programs), and 3 football coaches now.

Not counting about 35 Yosef Club hires.

Gillin was hire late winter/early spring of 2015.

[app97]

We can blame him for the the Fox hire, but that one looked much better on paper than Capel. And, no AD hits on every hire (not with our budget, anyway)

Fox was hired in 2014

Gillin didn't hire Fox, Charlie Cobb did. Gillin fired Fox.

Cobb had Lutz, Ryan Odom as candidates, hires Fox. He's a moron -- hasn't made a good hire at Ga State either.

That was my point. 2014 was before Gillin was here.

[DenverOfTheEast]

We can blame him for the the Fox hire, but that one looked much better on paper than Capel. And, no AD hits on every hire (not with our budget, anyway)

Fox was hired in 2014

Gillin didn't hire Fox, Charlie Cobb did. Gillin fired Fox.

Cobb had Lutz, Ryan Odom as candidates, hires Fox. He's a moron -- hasn't made a good hire at Ga State either.

That was my point. 2014 was before Gillin was here.

That was more towards AppVette first quote. but we agree.

[kornegaylw]

Gillin has hired 2 softball coaches, 1 volleyball coach, 1 baseball coach, 1 men's basketball coach, 1 women's basketball coach, 1 track and field, x country, multiple golf coaches (should cut the golf programs), and 3 football coaches now.

Not counting about 35 Yosef Club hires.

Gillin was hire late winter/early spring of 2015.

I know nothing of the situation...BUT...I feel like the Yosef Club could use some attention. As an alumni in my 30s I never hear from them and I never hear about fund raising from them. What I've been told is the organization doesn't pay well and it loses ppl all the time. I understand capital is a limited resource but the organization that helps generate capital feels like it needs some capital.

Open to being educated on this topic.

[app97]

We can blame him for the the Fox hire, but that one looked much better on paper than Capel. And, no AD hits on every hire (not with our budget, anyway)

Fox was hired in 2014

Gillin didn't hire Fox, Charlie Cobb did. Gillin fired Fox.

Cobb had Lutz, Ryan Odom as candidates, hires Fox. He's a moron -- hasn't made a good hire at Ga State either.

I was also under the impression that Pat Kelsey wanted the job in 2009 or 10. Can’t remember if was when buzz came back or Capel was hired. Talk about a dude who wins everywhere…and we could have had McMahon. Both have parlayed their success into ACC and SEC jobs. Kerns is a great coach for us now, but we likely wouldn’t have had a decade of bad basketball with one of those guys.

[DenverOfTheEast]

We can blame him for the the Fox hire, but that one looked much better on paper than Capel. And, no AD hits on every hire (not with our budget, anyway)

Fox was hired in 2014

Gillin didn't hire Fox, Charlie Cobb did. Gillin fired Fox.

Cobb had Lutz, Ryan Odom as candidates, hires Fox. He's a moron -- hasn't made a good hire at Ga State either.

I was also under the impression that Pat Kelsey wanted the job in 2009 or 10. Can’t remember if was when buzz came back or Capel was hired. Talk about a dude who wins everywhere…and we could have had McMahon. Both have parlayed their success into ACC and SEC jobs. Kerns is a great coach for us now, but we likely wouldn’t have had a decade of bad basketball with one of those guys.

Yep -- Fox never really had a chance - he had to clean up Capel mess and had a new AD that didn't hire him so not total support. Fox didn't help himself much with a lot of fans either with his New York/Davidson arrogance. But the guy could drink a Beer at Tapp Room with the best of them after a basketball loss.

Cobb coulda have changed the course of App Basketball by just hiring McMahon when Buzz left 2.0 -- BUT he sat it back 10 years for sure.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Gillin has hired 2 softball coaches, 1 volleyball coach, 1 baseball coach, 1 men's basketball coach, 1 women's basketball coach, 1 track and field, x country, multiple golf coaches (should cut the golf programs), and 3 football coaches now.

Not counting about 35 Yosef Club hires.

Gillin was hire late winter/early spring of 2015.

I know nothing of the situation...BUT...I feel like the Yosef Club could use some attention. As an alumni in my 30s I never hear from them and I never hear about fund raising from them. What I've been told is the organization doesn't pay well and it loses ppl all the time. I understand capital is a limited resource but the organization that helps generate capital feels like it needs some capital.

Open to being educated on this topic.

We can have a major discussion this --

1) they don't pay enough to keep good help around
2) the employees us it as a stepping stone
3) DG controls the YC behind the scenes, he just uses the staff as a front to deflect the blame and rising cost


Nothing goes on in the YC without DG knowing of it. The YC needs a guy like App alum Davis Babb that runs the IPTAY or someone like Gearld or Beasley - but DG ego won't allow it. Suzette was paid by the Foundation and positioned to work in YC, her salary was never out of Athletic budget.

[PhillyApp1]

Every single social media post I’ve seen on the new HC, South Carolina fans are ecstatic about him leaving…. That gives zero reassurance about him getting App back to their winning ways.

It actually doesn’t take much searching to find a lot of folks, SC fans included praising Coach Loggains.

like i said .... if you look for negative.... you will find it
actually, its easy

[DenverOfTheEast]

So I just saw that Charlotte hired the Ohio coach.... WOW!!!

No doubt about it - Charlotte just got better!! 3 straight 10 win seasons in the MAC, 2 Bowl wins, most likely won't coach in this upcoming Bowl game.

If Gillin coulda hired this guy and he goes for a P4 non proven Coach, this could and should do him in if Dowell isn't successful.

Credit Charlotte - they targeted a Coach with experience and they got it.

App just hired a third straight mystery.

[Stonewall]

Some people aren’t comfortable with high expectations.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

Here is the bottom line:

After the South Alabama loss, most likely Gillin knew he probably needed to start preliminaries on finding a new coach.

So you have had since September 19th/20th to start small talks and research candidates 'QUIETLY'.

Then once they had a losing record after Ga Southern loss it turns into 'GO' time for Gillin.

This guy may turn out to be really good, none of us knows. But I just don't believe you firs a coach and just settle for the OC at USC, seems kinda blah to me. Gillin needed a home run on this one to turn the fan base but not sure he hit this hire out of the infield. Hence the thread we are on now.

Good luck to Dowell.

How do you go about doing something like this quietly? Does DG have so much free time during the day he can shut his door and not take calls so no one knows he is out looking around, and that would be considered normal behavior by those around DG? I can't imagine he could keep any looking under his belt without something leaking from his staff. I am sure if someone on his staff found out and was even remotely close to any of coaching staff something would leak, and I can't imagine there is not some closeness between the coaches across the sports and across the AD department. And even if that could be kept under wraps what about the other side of the equation at the other school? And if all of this could have been done quietly then how do we know that it was not done?

[kornegaylw]

Gillin has hired 2 softball coaches, 1 volleyball coach, 1 baseball coach, 1 men's basketball coach, 1 women's basketball coach, 1 track and field, x country, multiple golf coaches (should cut the golf programs), and 3 football coaches now.

Not counting about 35 Yosef Club hires.

Gillin was hire late winter/early spring of 2015.

I know nothing of the situation...BUT...I feel like the Yosef Club could use some attention. As an alumni in my 30s I never hear from them and I never hear about fund raising from them. What I've been told is the organization doesn't pay well and it loses ppl all the time. I understand capital is a limited resource but the organization that helps generate capital feels like it needs some capital.

Open to being educated on this topic.

We can have a major discussion this --

1) they don't pay enough to keep good help around
2) the employees us it as a stepping stone
3) DG controls the YC behind the scenes, he just uses the staff as a front to deflect the blame and rising cost


Nothing goes on in the YC without DG knowing of it. The YC needs a guy like App alum Davis Babb that runs the IPTAY or someone like Gearld or Beasley - but DG ego won't allow it. Suzette was paid by the Foundation and positioned to work in YC, her salary was never out of Athletic budget.

I think the YC in its current state is a big missed opportunity for us...i believe there is a large untapped base, especially in the millennial generation, who would donate in a significant way. They live off the mountain and would donate if it was made simple i.e via an app or at events in the RDU/Triad/Charlotte markets.

[Yosef10]

So I just saw that Charlotte hired the Ohio coach.... WOW!!!

No doubt about it - Charlotte just got better!! 3 straight 10 win seasons in the MAC, 2 Bowl wins, most likely won't coach in this upcoming Bowl game.

If Gillin coulda hired this guy and he goes for a P4 non proven Coach, this could and should do him in if Dowell isn't successful.

Credit Charlotte - they targeted a Coach with experience and they got it.

App just hired a third straight mystery.

My thought around this is that if we’re trying to beef up NIL operations and compete more in that environment, not sure hiring the 60 year old coach from the MAC would have helped in those endeavors.

[Cro-Magnon App]

Yes, we could have hired Matt. But didn’t. That was a definite miss. And hiring Capel with no more of a resume than he had 🫤 …. That was a terrible move. The course of history was altered for Matt, though. Recruited Morant, ruled the OVAC, and got a big job. And App State spent 10 years being a basketball bottom dweller.

[AppWyo]

So I just saw that Charlotte hired the Ohio coach.... WOW!!!

No doubt about it - Charlotte just got better!! 3 straight 10 win seasons in the MAC, 2 Bowl wins, most likely won't coach in this upcoming Bowl game.

If Gillin coulda hired this guy and he goes for a P4 non proven Coach, this could and should do him in if Dowell isn't successful.

Credit Charlotte - they targeted a Coach with experience and they got it.

App just hired a third straight mystery.

Ablin knows all about Appalachian and the Sun Belt, just look at the teams he has had to face while he has been at Ohio in bowl games:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_Bobcats_football

He has lost to Southern Miss, Marshall, Troy twice, East Carolina, and App, but beaten ULM and Georgia Southern.

[Stonewall]

We passed on Fisher Deberry for Mike “ it ain’t” Working….

[Bootsy]

Gillin has hired 2 softball coaches, 1 volleyball coach, 1 baseball coach, 1 men's basketball coach, 1 women's basketball coach, 1 track and field, x country, multiple golf coaches (should cut the golf programs), and 3 football coaches now.

Not counting about 35 Yosef Club hires.

Gillin was hire late winter/early spring of 2015.

I know nothing of the situation...BUT...I feel like the Yosef Club could use some attention. As an alumni in my 30s I never hear from them and I never hear about fund raising from them. What I've been told is the organization doesn't pay well and it loses ppl all the time. I understand capital is a limited resource but the organization that helps generate capital feels like it needs some capital.

Open to being educated on this topic.

We can have a major discussion this --

1) they don't pay enough to keep good help around
2) the employees us it as a stepping stone
3) DG controls the YC behind the scenes, he just uses the staff as a front to deflect the blame and rising cost


Nothing goes on in the YC without DG knowing of it. The YC needs a guy like App alum Davis Babb that runs the IPTAY or someone like Gearld or Beasley - but DG ego won't allow it. Suzette was paid by the Foundation and positioned to work in YC, her salary was never out of Athletic budget.

I think the YC in its current state is a big missed opportunity for us...i believe there is a large untapped base, especially in the millennial generation, who would donate in a significant way. They live off the mountain and would donate if it was made simple i.e via an app or at events in the RDU/Triad/Charlotte markets.

I find it interesting how we (me included) rarely discuss the mismanagement of YC along with chronic squandering of related fundraising opportunities over the years.

Gillin is comfortable meeting the needs of BOT/COE members while all but ignoring the revenue potential the rest of the fanbase represents. And the thing that baffles me is how little effort would be required to accelerate YC membership, particularly among students.

[BambooRdApp]

Gillin has hired 2 softball coaches, 1 volleyball coach, 1 baseball coach, 1 men's basketball coach, 1 women's basketball coach, 1 track and field, x country, multiple golf coaches (should cut the golf programs), and 3 football coaches now.

Not counting about 35 Yosef Club hires.

Gillin was hire late winter/early spring of 2015.

I know nothing of the situation...BUT...I feel like the Yosef Club could use some attention. As an alumni in my 30s I never hear from them and I never hear about fund raising from them. What I've been told is the organization doesn't pay well and it loses ppl all the time. I understand capital is a limited resource but the organization that helps generate capital feels like it needs some capital.

Open to being educated on this topic.

We can have a major discussion this --

1) they don't pay enough to keep good help around
2) the employees us it as a stepping stone
3) DG controls the YC behind the scenes, he just uses the staff as a front to deflect the blame and rising cost


Nothing goes on in the YC without DG knowing of it. The YC needs a guy like App alum Davis Babb that runs the IPTAY or someone like Gearld or Beasley - but DG ego won't allow it. Suzette was paid by the Foundation and positioned to work in YC, her salary was never out of Athletic budget.

I think the YC in its current state is a big missed opportunity for us...i believe there is a large untapped base, especially in the millennial generation, who would donate in a significant way. They live off the mountain and would donate if it was made simple i.e via an app or at events in the RDU/Triad/Charlotte markets.

I find it interesting how we (me included) rarely discuss the mismanagement of YC along with chronic squandering of related fundraising opportunities over the years.

Gillin is comfortable meeting the needs of BOT/COE members while all but ignoring the revenue potential the rest of the fanbase represents. And the thing that baffles me is how little effort would be required to accelerate YC membership, particularly among students.

Just curious, what ideas do you have..that we are not doing?
I definitely do not follow the avenues and/or marketing that we do or don't do ..I just strategize on how I will come up with the funds to contribute and "sell" it to the wifey that it is a great idea we do this annual endeavor

[DenverOfTheEast]

Here is the bottom line:

After the South Alabama loss, most likely Gillin knew he probably needed to start preliminaries on finding a new coach.

So you have had since September 19th/20th to start small talks and research candidates 'QUIETLY'.

Then once they had a losing record after Ga Southern loss it turns into 'GO' time for Gillin.

This guy may turn out to be really good, none of us knows. But I just don't believe you firs a coach and just settle for the OC at USC, seems kinda blah to me. Gillin needed a home run on this one to turn the fan base but not sure he hit this hire out of the infield. Hence the thread we are on now.

Good luck to Dowell.

How do you go about doing something like this quietly? Does DG have so much free time during the day he can shut his door and not take calls so no one knows he is out looking around, and that would be considered normal behavior by those around DG? I can't imagine he could keep any looking under his belt without something leaking from his staff. I am sure if someone on his staff found out and was even remotely close to any of coaching staff something would leak, and I can't imagine there is not some closeness between the coaches across the sports and across the AD department. And even if that could be kept under wraps what about the other side of the equation at the other school? And if all of this could have been done quietly then how do we know that it was not done?

At the end of the day the top AD's in the country P4's or whatever you wanna call it, have a short list for all sports mainly the big 2 sports. Best regional Example I can give is VCU Basketball has a revolving door of successful coaches coming and going the last 20 years, that AD knows he needs to be ready to hire the next guy.

"so you have to be thinking, what if he leaves for abetter job or what if it goes south and I gotta make a change". It went south this year.

Really good AD's are connected - can call other Head Coaches, Conference Commissioners, other AD's, Search firms and agents to whittle down a short list.

DG makes 500k to make these decisions and have this information, and I can promise you one thing he isn't telling anyone on his staff of his intentions until it's go time unless he has finance, budget talks about numbers with Jonathan Reeder, rest of his staff isn't getting any info from him, bunch of inexperienced young workers.