Gameday!!!

[yosef69]

Doug Gillin needs to do something NOW!!

We haven't fired a football coach since before Mack Brown was our coach (I think we fired that Working guy but it was so far before my time that I don't even know for sure) and I doubt we start that now. Gillen had to know hiring a coach without any former head coaching experience was going to have growing pains, I am sure that Clark isn't in any danger at all right now.

We haven’t had a bad coach in that time period. Apples to oranges. The program is on very thin ice.

You say that but I remember Moore's early years and we would chant "NO MOORE" in the student section because he wasn't Sparky. Now, in time he clearly worked out but the early years weren't any better than what Clark is doing.

The bar is higher now. Three straight seasons of decline.

[diehardapp18]

I’m not even for the Clark out stuff yet but I’m going to become deeply concerned with the type of program we’re becoming if Dale Jones is back next season.

[appdaze]

We lose by one td.BOO HOO.Deal with it.I'll be turning 68 next month and I have supported the APPS longer than most of you have been alive.Grow a pair.We can win the rest of our season games!!!

When you take out our two ineligible seasons where things were just messy, we have only had 2 losing seasons since we last fired working in 1982. Losing is not in our culture. We have the 16th-highest win percentage in all of D1 college football history. We don't take losing well because losing is not who we are. Congrats, you're old. Boo Hoo on this. In your adult life, you have only witnessed 7 losing seasons at App. 8 If you want to include that ineligible season. All that....since 1971. I'm not going to apologize for having high expectations of one of the best programs in college football history.

[t4pizza]

Doug Gillin needs to do something NOW!!

We haven't fired a football coach since before Mack Brown was our coach (I think we fired that Working guy but it was so far before my time that I don't even know for sure) and I doubt we start that now. Gillen had to know hiring a coach without any former head coaching experience was going to have growing pains, I am sure that Clark isn't in any danger at all right now.

We haven’t had a bad coach in that time period. Apples to oranges. The program is on very thin ice.

You say that but I remember Moore's early years and we would chant "NO MOORE" in the student section because he wasn't Sparky. Now, in time he clearly worked out but the early years weren't any better than what Clark is doing.

The bar is higher now. Three straight seasons of decline.

I agree the bar is higher, but I just don't see Gillen firing Clark. He hired a guy with no head coaching experience, he had to know growing pains were coming. Again, not saying he should be fired or not, I just don't think we do that at this time, maybe in 2-3 years but not now. And, I am not saying that I agree with it, just saying what I think is the reality.

[Stonewall]

Clark made a major mistake in hiring Jones given the circumstances .He made a huge gamble , very poor decision.

[yosef69]

We haven't fired a football coach since before Mack Brown was our coach (I think we fired that Working guy but it was so far before my time that I don't even know for sure) and I doubt we start that now. Gillen had to know hiring a coach without any former head coaching experience was going to have growing pains, I am sure that Clark isn't in any danger at all right now.

We haven’t had a bad coach in that time period. Apples to oranges. The program is on very thin ice.

You say that but I remember Moore's early years and we would chant "NO MOORE" in the student section because he wasn't Sparky. Now, in time he clearly worked out but the early years weren't any better than what Clark is doing.

The bar is higher now. Three straight seasons of decline.

I agree the bar is higher, but I just don't see Gillen firing Clark. He hired a guy with no head coaching experience, he had to know growing pains were coming. Again, not saying he should be fired or not, I just don't think we do that at this time, maybe in 2-3 years but not now. And, I am not saying that I agree with it, just saying what I think is the reality.

Coaches don’t get better magically one day. 3 seasons in, Clark is who is is. I take no pleasure in saying it. I really wish he was the guy we hoped he was. But he’s not

[App91]

I hate to tell you all but this isn't on Dale, it's on the players. You don't think they are coached NOT to let the WR behind them? Of course they are, they just can't do it. We don't yet have the defensive talent. Feels like 2004 to me.

nah, 2004 was a different world. The heart that Richie, Atwater and some of those guys had would have broken our current team. You could also see the beginnings of a great team with Dexter, Lynch, Krich, and others getting their feet under them and gearing up for our breakout 2005 season. That team was on its way up. Our current team is flushing it all away.

We have a lot of young kids on Defense getting their legs. As far as heart, I don't question that with our kids at all just watch Chase, or Cam or Nick....you think those guys don't have heart? I disagree. We have had some big misses at certain positions (DB) based on coaching changes, injury, kids leaving football etc and we are behind the 8 ball, but I don't question the heart. As much as I hate to admit it, we have terrible coaching consistency and it has caught up to us in a big way. Find me a team that has 3 head coaches in 5 years, 5 OC in 5 years, 4 CB coaches in 5 years, etc and is successful. They don't exist and sadly we are not the exception. The turnover has caught up to us and it sucks. I am not making excuses. I think we should be better and win more this year but I also realize the realities of college football and we are not the team that exceeds those realities. We don't have the talent and our head coach is learning on the job.

Just cannot agree with that, every CFB team deals with turnover, coaches, players, all. We have seen what these guys can do, and you have to question the reason when they don't. Our culture has been the exception until now. truely we are a mediocre team and that is shocking. I believe we have the talent, but talent does not beat hard work when talent does not work hard. In yr 3, coach should be a veteran in the coaching dept. We are soft on both LOS and no one is stepping up to handle that. The OL at aTm has proven to be the exception. worried about the culture as we move forward, we look like a MAC team

Look, perhaps I am not making sense after my heavy drinking for this game, I don't disagree. I think we should be better. I think we should not have lost to JMU or Texas State and I do blame those loses on the head coach. BUT I do recognize that we have significant talent loss from last season and many misses on the recruiting trial from Satt's last year to Drink's year or so. FACT is that our coaching changes of assistance has HURT us without a question. We have coaches who recruit a kid and then leave and the next guy might not think that recruited kid is all that because he didn't recruit him and then that coach gets his own kid but then he leaves.....repreat, repeat, repeart.
I think we should be better, but when I step back and look at it all I do realize that we don't have the talent and our constantly changing coaching staff has impacted that issue. Again, find me a successful team (besides Bama) that has had 5 OC in 5 years, 4 CB coaches in 5 years and 3 head coaches in 5 years. I know we all want more, but this season has shown me that we are not the exception to the rule, we are like every other school and we will be affected by those type of coaching changes. I will wait for any poster to find a team with that type of coaching turnover that is still successful. I doubt it happens.

Tenn. maybe? Clempson, certainly. agreed its hard, but that is a HC's job to hire quality assistants in his mold and mindset. Not sold on OC the way we are absent for long stretches and have 3 and outs after turnovers or big plays. That simply cannot happen. I want to be able to be sure HC can fix that and i am not sure.

[DontPlayWithYosef]

Coastal was 9-15 on 3rd down…awful D, never got a stop when we needed them

[t4pizza]

It is easy to blame Dale for everything but I really think the issue is the offense play calling. Clark goes for it too often and it costs us games. Against Texas State, had we just kicked FG when we could (and made them) we would have had plenty of opportunity to win the game. Tonight, if we punt instead of going for it on a ridiculous call on 4th and 2 we would have flipped the field and perhaps had a defensive stop instead of giving them a short field. Our defense gave up 6 in the second half against Texas State and although we gave up 14 tonight, one was a very short field after a turnover and the other was a short field after the failed 4th and 2. Our d gave up less than 400 yards for the past 7 games but we still lost 2 of those, again I blame the offense. Our Defense lost way more talent from last year, this year we needed our offense to outscore everyone and it hasn't. Sad part is, I think we could have. Again, I do blame the head coach for this.

[App91]

Cue the Sunshine Squad...

Would love to hear it. There’s nothing positive to take away from the coaching staff after that

Oh you will, you know the ones and i can name them. How dare we question coaching decisions, motivation for players, particular plays or not just settling for blowing smoke up our ass that it is all right and that we could not expect any more, unreasonable. there may be 2 or 3 people on this board who advocate for firing coaches. but to hear the SS, it's everyone who is not sipping the cool ade and we are great. Please do not make rational observations of game decisions or schemes because the great unwashed have no idea and no reason to question anything. This is going to be fun!

[Mjohn1988]

4th down on our side of the field….one score game and again we go for it and fail…hard heads have to feel….Clark has a really hard head

[diehardapp18]

It is easy to blame Dale for everything but I really think the issue is the offense play calling. Clark goes for it too often and it costs us games. Against Texas State, had we just kicked FG when we could (and made them) we would have had plenty of opportunity to win the game. Tonight, if we punt instead of going for it on a ridiculous call on 4th and 2 we would have flipped the field and perhaps had a defensive stop instead of giving them a short field. Our defense gave up 6 in the second half against Texas State and although we gave up 14 tonight, one was a very short field after a turnover and the other was a short field after the failed 4th and 2. Our d gave up less than 400 yards for the past 7 games but we still lost 2 of those, again I blame the offense. Our Defense lost way more talent from last year, this year we needed our offense to outscore everyone and it hasn't. Sad part is, I think we could have. Again, I do blame the head coach for this.

This is certainly a fair point and I have plenty of qualms with the offensive approach tonight. But 5-4 is not who we are. I’m not sure if replacing the DC is the perfect fix, but we have to make a change next year. And while Dale has maybe become a bit of a scapegoat there’s no way he’s done enough in his second tenure at this post to warrant another year. We need new blood/ideas and replacing Dale seems like the natural path for that.

[App91]

It is easy to blame Dale for everything but I really think the issue is the offense play calling. Clark goes for it too often and it costs us games. Against Texas State, had we just kicked FG when we could (and made them) we would have had plenty of opportunity to win the game. Tonight, if we punt instead of going for it on a ridiculous call on 4th and 2 we would have flipped the field and perhaps had a defensive stop instead of giving them a short field. Our defense gave up 6 in the second half against Texas State and although we gave up 14 tonight, one was a very short field after a turnover and the other was a short field after the failed 4th and 2. Our d gave up less than 400 yards for the past 7 games but we still lost 2 of those, again I blame the offense. Our Defense lost way more talent from last year, this year we needed our offense to outscore everyone and it hasn't. Sad part is, I think we could have. Again, I do blame the head coach for this.

Good Point, our D is much better when the O is performing up to expectations. again the OL, how many 3 and outs have we have after big stops or plays. It cannot be put all on the D. The O is capable of scoring each time they touch the ball. It goes hand in glove but 3 and out leave the D on an island. Great stop, 2 plays, horrible int, then back on the field. Good stop, go for it on 4th and 2 when the OL has been getting punked, bad for D. this is not the definition of complimentary football.

[t4pizza]

nah, 2004 was a different world. The heart that Richie, Atwater and some of those guys had would have broken our current team. You could also see the beginnings of a great team with Dexter, Lynch, Krich, and others getting their feet under them and gearing up for our breakout 2005 season. That team was on its way up. Our current team is flushing it all away.

We have a lot of young kids on Defense getting their legs. As far as heart, I don't question that with our kids at all just watch Chase, or Cam or Nick....you think those guys don't have heart? I disagree. We have had some big misses at certain positions (DB) based on coaching changes, injury, kids leaving football etc and we are behind the 8 ball, but I don't question the heart. As much as I hate to admit it, we have terrible coaching consistency and it has caught up to us in a big way. Find me a team that has 3 head coaches in 5 years, 5 OC in 5 years, 4 CB coaches in 5 years, etc and is successful. They don't exist and sadly we are not the exception. The turnover has caught up to us and it sucks. I am not making excuses. I think we should be better and win more this year but I also realize the realities of college football and we are not the team that exceeds those realities. We don't have the talent and our head coach is learning on the job.

Just cannot agree with that, every CFB team deals with turnover, coaches, players, all. We have seen what these guys can do, and you have to question the reason when they don't. Our culture has been the exception until now. truely we are a mediocre team and that is shocking. I believe we have the talent, but talent does not beat hard work when talent does not work hard. In yr 3, coach should be a veteran in the coaching dept. We are soft on both LOS and no one is stepping up to handle that. The OL at aTm has proven to be the exception. worried about the culture as we move forward, we look like a MAC team

Look, perhaps I am not making sense after my heavy drinking for this game, I don't disagree. I think we should be better. I think we should not have lost to JMU or Texas State and I do blame those loses on the head coach. BUT I do recognize that we have significant talent loss from last season and many misses on the recruiting trial from Satt's last year to Drink's year or so. FACT is that our coaching changes of assistance has HURT us without a question. We have coaches who recruit a kid and then leave and the next guy might not think that recruited kid is all that because he didn't recruit him and then that coach gets his own kid but then he leaves.....repreat, repeat, repeart.
I think we should be better, but when I step back and look at it all I do realize that we don't have the talent and our constantly changing coaching staff has impacted that issue. Again, find me a successful team (besides Bama) that has had 5 OC in 5 years, 4 CB coaches in 5 years and 3 head coaches in 5 years. I know we all want more, but this season has shown me that we are not the exception to the rule, we are like every other school and we will be affected by those type of coaching changes. I will wait for any poster to find a team with that type of coaching turnover that is still successful. I doubt it happens.

Tenn. maybe? Clempson, certainly. agreed its hard, but that is a HC's job to hire quality assistants in his mold and mindset. Not sold on OC the way we are absent for long stretches and have 3 and outs after turnovers or big plays. That simply cannot happen. I want to be able to be sure HC can fix that and i am not sure.

Wrong, Clempson has not had 3 head coaches in 5 years and when they finally started losing their coordinators these past couple of years, their record has indicated it as well. But again, still had the same head coach. Tennessee....they are just coming out of what we are in the middle of, the went through many coaches and assistants and they sucked for 15 years, now they find some consistency and they are doing good. I am also not sold on our OC. I thought he was amazing the first 2 games and then it fell off the cliff. Anyways, neither of your examples had success with 5 different OC in 5 years and 4 different CB coaches in 5 years and 3 head coaches in 5 years. Sadly, we aren't the exception I thought we were.

[311neers]

nah, 2004 was a different world. The heart that Richie, Atwater and some of those guys had would have broken our current team. You could also see the beginnings of a great team with Dexter, Lynch, Krich, and others getting their feet under them and gearing up for our breakout 2005 season. That team was on its way up. Our current team is flushing it all away.

We have a lot of young kids on Defense getting their legs. As far as heart, I don't question that with our kids at all just watch Chase, or Cam or Nick....you think those guys don't have heart? I disagree. We have had some big misses at certain positions (DB) based on coaching changes, injury, kids leaving football etc and we are behind the 8 ball, but I don't question the heart. As much as I hate to admit it, we have terrible coaching consistency and it has caught up to us in a big way. Find me a team that has 3 head coaches in 5 years, 5 OC in 5 years, 4 CB coaches in 5 years, etc and is successful. They don't exist and sadly we are not the exception. The turnover has caught up to us and it sucks. I am not making excuses. I think we should be better and win more this year but I also realize the realities of college football and we are not the team that exceeds those realities. We don't have the talent and our head coach is learning on the job.

Just cannot agree with that, every CFB team deals with turnover, coaches, players, all. We have seen what these guys can do, and you have to question the reason when they don't. Our culture has been the exception until now. truely we are a mediocre team and that is shocking. I believe we have the talent, but talent does not beat hard work when talent does not work hard. In yr 3, coach should be a veteran in the coaching dept. We are soft on both LOS and no one is stepping up to handle that. The OL at aTm has proven to be the exception. worried about the culture as we move forward, we look like a MAC team

Look, perhaps I am not making sense after my heavy drinking for this game, I don't disagree. I think we should be better. I think we should not have lost to JMU or Texas State and I do blame those loses on the head coach. BUT I do recognize that we have significant talent loss from last season and many misses on the recruiting trial from Satt's last year to Drink's year or so. FACT is that our coaching changes of assistance has HURT us without a question. We have coaches who recruit a kid and then leave and the next guy might not think that recruited kid is all that because he didn't recruit him and then that coach gets his own kid but then he leaves.....repreat, repeat, repeart.
I think we should be better, but when I step back and look at it all I do realize that we don't have the talent and our constantly changing coaching staff has impacted that issue. Again, find me a successful team (besides Bama) that has had 5 OC in 5 years, 4 CB coaches in 5 years and 3 head coaches in 5 years. I know we all want more, but this season has shown me that we are not the exception to the rule, we are like every other school and we will be affected by those type of coaching changes. I will wait for any poster to find a team with that type of coaching turnover that is still successful. I doubt it happens.

Tenn. maybe? Clempson, certainly. agreed its hard, but that is a HC's job to hire quality assistants in his mold and mindset. Not sold on OC the way we are absent for long stretches and have 3 and outs after turnovers or big plays. That simply cannot happen. I want to be able to be sure HC can fix that and i am not sure.

Clemson really hasn’t had much turnover until last year.

Georgias offensive and defensive coaches get poached yearly. But kirby a diff animal, he’s saban esque on the trail.

[App91]

We have a lot of young kids on Defense getting their legs. As far as heart, I don't question that with our kids at all just watch Chase, or Cam or Nick....you think those guys don't have heart? I disagree. We have had some big misses at certain positions (DB) based on coaching changes, injury, kids leaving football etc and we are behind the 8 ball, but I don't question the heart. As much as I hate to admit it, we have terrible coaching consistency and it has caught up to us in a big way. Find me a team that has 3 head coaches in 5 years, 5 OC in 5 years, 4 CB coaches in 5 years, etc and is successful. They don't exist and sadly we are not the exception. The turnover has caught up to us and it sucks. I am not making excuses. I think we should be better and win more this year but I also realize the realities of college football and we are not the team that exceeds those realities. We don't have the talent and our head coach is learning on the job.

Just cannot agree with that, every CFB team deals with turnover, coaches, players, all. We have seen what these guys can do, and you have to question the reason when they don't. Our culture has been the exception until now. truely we are a mediocre team and that is shocking. I believe we have the talent, but talent does not beat hard work when talent does not work hard. In yr 3, coach should be a veteran in the coaching dept. We are soft on both LOS and no one is stepping up to handle that. The OL at aTm has proven to be the exception. worried about the culture as we move forward, we look like a MAC team

Look, perhaps I am not making sense after my heavy drinking for this game, I don't disagree. I think we should be better. I think we should not have lost to JMU or Texas State and I do blame those loses on the head coach. BUT I do recognize that we have significant talent loss from last season and many misses on the recruiting trial from Satt's last year to Drink's year or so. FACT is that our coaching changes of assistance has HURT us without a question. We have coaches who recruit a kid and then leave and the next guy might not think that recruited kid is all that because he didn't recruit him and then that coach gets his own kid but then he leaves.....repreat, repeat, repeart.
I think we should be better, but when I step back and look at it all I do realize that we don't have the talent and our constantly changing coaching staff has impacted that issue. Again, find me a successful team (besides Bama) that has had 5 OC in 5 years, 4 CB coaches in 5 years and 3 head coaches in 5 years. I know we all want more, but this season has shown me that we are not the exception to the rule, we are like every other school and we will be affected by those type of coaching changes. I will wait for any poster to find a team with that type of coaching turnover that is still successful. I doubt it happens.

Tenn. maybe? Clempson, certainly. agreed its hard, but that is a HC's job to hire quality assistants in his mold and mindset. Not sold on OC the way we are absent for long stretches and have 3 and outs after turnovers or big plays. That simply cannot happen. I want to be able to be sure HC can fix that and i am not sure.

Wrong, Clempson has not had 3 head coaches in 5 years and when they finally started losing their coordinators these past couple of years, their record has indicated it as well. But again, still had the same head coach. Tennessee....they are just coming out of what we are in the middle of, the went through many coaches and assistants and they sucked for 15 years, now they find some consistency and they are doing good. I am also not sold on our OC. I thought he was amazing the first 2 games and then it fell off the cliff. Anyways, neither of your examples had success with 5 different OC in 5 years and 4 different CB coaches in 5 years and 3 head coaches in 5 years. Sadly, we aren't the exception I thought we were.

Clempson is replacing both OC and DC and is undefeated and ranked 4th in CFP. Maybe they shouldn't be but they are

[t4pizza]

Just cannot agree with that, every CFB team deals with turnover, coaches, players, all. We have seen what these guys can do, and you have to question the reason when they don't. Our culture has been the exception until now. truely we are a mediocre team and that is shocking. I believe we have the talent, but talent does not beat hard work when talent does not work hard. In yr 3, coach should be a veteran in the coaching dept. We are soft on both LOS and no one is stepping up to handle that. The OL at aTm has proven to be the exception. worried about the culture as we move forward, we look like a MAC team

Look, perhaps I am not making sense after my heavy drinking for this game, I don't disagree. I think we should be better. I think we should not have lost to JMU or Texas State and I do blame those loses on the head coach. BUT I do recognize that we have significant talent loss from last season and many misses on the recruiting trial from Satt's last year to Drink's year or so. FACT is that our coaching changes of assistance has HURT us without a question. We have coaches who recruit a kid and then leave and the next guy might not think that recruited kid is all that because he didn't recruit him and then that coach gets his own kid but then he leaves.....repreat, repeat, repeart.
I think we should be better, but when I step back and look at it all I do realize that we don't have the talent and our constantly changing coaching staff has impacted that issue. Again, find me a successful team (besides Bama) that has had 5 OC in 5 years, 4 CB coaches in 5 years and 3 head coaches in 5 years. I know we all want more, but this season has shown me that we are not the exception to the rule, we are like every other school and we will be affected by those type of coaching changes. I will wait for any poster to find a team with that type of coaching turnover that is still successful. I doubt it happens.

Tenn. maybe? Clempson, certainly. agreed its hard, but that is a HC's job to hire quality assistants in his mold and mindset. Not sold on OC the way we are absent for long stretches and have 3 and outs after turnovers or big plays. That simply cannot happen. I want to be able to be sure HC can fix that and i am not sure.

Wrong, Clempson has not had 3 head coaches in 5 years and when they finally started losing their coordinators these past couple of years, their record has indicated it as well. But again, still had the same head coach. Tennessee....they are just coming out of what we are in the middle of, the went through many coaches and assistants and they sucked for 15 years, now they find some consistency and they are doing good. I am also not sold on our OC. I thought he was amazing the first 2 games and then it fell off the cliff. Anyways, neither of your examples had success with 5 different OC in 5 years and 4 different CB coaches in 5 years and 3 head coaches in 5 years. Sadly, we aren't the exception I thought we were.

Clempson is replacing both OC and DC and is undefeated and ranked 4th in CFP. Maybe they shouldn't be but they are

Sure, but do you think they are going to win another national title with this team, or in the next couple of years? Our top is a conference title and bowl win, their top is a national title and I think everyone agrees they are far off of that pace. And they still have the same head coach.

[311neers]

5-6 our last 11.

but we had a string of wins before the 2 L’s to end the season last year. cherry picked stat but still…pain.

[App91]

5-6 our last 11.

but we had a string of wins before the 2 L’s to end the season last year. cherry picked stat but still…pain.

This says it all

[yosef69]

5-6 our last 11.

but we had a string of wins before the 2 L’s to end the season last year. cherry picked stat but still…pain.

And many of those 6 in absolutely embarrassing fashion.

JMU, TXST, CCU, and WKU come to mind.

And even then in the UNC loss we got 65 put on us, and ULL was pretty ugly too.