Gameday!!!

[MrCraig]

Clark doesn’t have a winning record vs any of the top sun belt teams

Clark doesn’t have a winning record against FBS teams in this current season.

[appgrad95&97]

I’m not even for the Clark out stuff yet but I’m going to become deeply concerned with the type of program we’re becoming if Dale Jones is back next season.

The problems are bigger than the defensive coordinator (who is not very good). Its not DJ's fault we quit scoring againt JMU. The crazy 4th down call last night is not on our defensive. Its a long list, and Jones is on it.

I'm only going to add this because I want the "culture" and "he bleeds black & gold" folks to give me s#¡t again. There were signs of this as far back as the poor performance at Marshall, on CBS, in 2020.

[bigdaddyg]

Here’s my view from attending the game:

1. A positive, we actually ran two pitches to our backs which put them to the edge quicker. Those plays had some success.
2. As Bamboo said, if your are going go for it on 4th down and run the ball, commit to it on 3rd down and run Peoples or Castle twice.
3. If we could block, Brice could have thrown for 400+. Their secondary is weak and we could not exploit it conn f out of the locker room in the second half until the final minutes
4. Offensive creativity has disappeared
5. Why don’t we run motion, shifts, misdirection, jet sweeps (the plays that coastal ran)
6. Why don’t we shift or change formation in defense?. We line up, show our formation and stay in it Give our players a chance by moving around a little and trying to confuse the offender.
7, Nothing is special about our special teams. If we are going to struggle, take some chances to gain a field position advantage.

Same script as All of the losses.
-RB’s run for less tha. 70 yards (18-Carries for 62 yards)
-Offensive inefficiency puts defense in bad situations
-We fall behind early and play catch up the entire game
-Inedfective in Middle 8 (middle 9
Force missed FG-we go 3 and out-forced punt-we get sacked at midfield in Hail Mart attempt
Stop Ciastal on downs, we turn it over on downs. Give up Quock TD, throw INT, give up another quick TD

We just seem to be in disarray on the sideline and on defense. Are we actually calling in defensive assignments and is someone on the field calling out adjustments? I'm sure we are but it just looks messed up. It's painfully obvious that other teams simply have more speed at certain skill positions or we are not using what we have. I said it a few times last night- stubborn coaching decisions. Coach seems to believe that we are a power, up the gut running team no matter what defensive front we see and no matter what back rotates in. We really couldn't throw it 50 times but dang we could maybe pull some linemen or TE's and run wide to the strong side a few more times. Brutal

[ASUTodd]

It's 2004 again.... You got one side who backs the current folks regardless of the bad situation and you have the folks that are concerned and want a complete change and you also have the folks who don't care if the current regime stays or go they just want things fixed. In 2004 Moore took a trip to WV and fixed some things. I've said it in another post that I don't think we need a total revamping of our offense. I think we just need to be smarter with what we are doing (while adding in some new things - defense might be a diff story). If the current players can't do those things (or aren't up to App State standards...get them there or start recruiting better). The competition is getting better. They set their sights on us and they caught us. We can either take some hard looks or start getting used to being middle of the pack. Not sure how long the program can last loosing to Texas st, JMU, and coastal.... We haven't even played Marshall and GaSouth yet. While other teams look to be getting better as the year goes we look to be stagnant of going backwards. Injuries, I can understand. I get it..... But if you know you have a player who isn't that good you scheme so you can protect him. I do it all the time with my soccer teams. Yes I know soccer and football aren't the same but it can be done on the gridiron as well. I do NOT want App State to become the poster child for, "Oh how the mighty have fallen".

[Saint3333]

Guys we had the talent to win last night, we got outschemed and outcoached.

[bigdaddyg]

If coastal had decided to throw to or hand off to 14 10 more times it would have been worse. They must have bad lighting or something in that stadium because there were a few easy drops on both sides. But 14 had the one easy catch that was missed, fortunately slipped on another dump off, got tripped up (somehow) on another play. He was blowing right by our slow DB's. We had one guy grab him on the sideline redzone play and we got away with it. We simply had no answer for him and like I said had Chatwell wanted to use him more we could not contain him. Coastal punched us over and over. If we had 3rd and 14 on our 7 we would probably run it up the middle or dump it off 3 yards- they easily hit a 24 yarder. They had 2nd and 2 probably 6 times.

Penalties and lack of discipline has become a hallmark of our team every single week.

I don't need to hear the presser. We just need to replay the same one from JMU and Texas State- "gotta give ----- credit for the win, coach ----- did a great job against us, this loss is on me and the coaches, we need to do a better job preparing the team, our guys played hard but we didn't make the plays. We will come back home, get back to work and prepare for...

[WASU 93]

Guys we had the talent to win last night, we got outschemed and outcoached.

But, we were also out-executed.
The fumbled snap, our receivers made some great plays, but did drop catchable balls, we missed some tackles, our longest run by a RB was 12 yards (because we didn’t hold some blocks), our offensive line was not getting push, we jumped offside on a critical 4th quarter play, punting is a mystery at times, we broke off a wheel route on the third play of the game that would have been a TD, we don’t get off the field on third down multiple times, wide open receivers on TD’s because we missed assigments……

It was a team loss.

[Saint3333]

Guys we had the talent to win last night, we got outschemed and outcoached.

But, we were also out-executed.
The fumbled snap, our receivers made some great plays, but did drop catchable balls, we missed some tackles, our longest run by a RB was 12 yards (because we didn’t hold some blocks), our offensive line was not getting push, we jumped offside on a critical 4th quarter play, punting is a mystery at times, we broke off a wheel route on the third play of the game that would have been a TD, we don’t get off the field on third down multiple times, wide open receivers on TD’s because we missed assigments……

It was a team loss.

Even with all those mistakes we still win if situational play calling and clock management is improved. I don’t want to hear about the middle 8 again from Clark. He is terrible at winning those minutes.

Coaching impacts doing the little things right. This is not a Jimmy and Joes issue.

[Yosefus]

What surprised me was the up the middle plays on 3rd a d 4th down, drop back passing with Chase running for his life when the roll out passes were working and he had time to throw shorts. Why did we go under center on the goal line that Chase fumbled? That didn't effect outcome but it cost us valuable time in the game. We only go under center maybe 1% of the time. I'm surprised we have not improved on deep ball coverage. Been burnt enough it seems that should have been fixed by now. Why do we stick with what is not working and not what moves the ball down the field. We had decent success passing all night which would have opened up the run maybe.
These are all questions for the coaching staff.

[ugmw177]

flashbacks to App Football "ain't Working" from the horrible Mike Working era

[App_in_Maiden]

Guys we had the talent to win last night, we got outschemed and outcoached.

Yup. The players kept it close. The coaching lost the game in my opinion.

[AppDub]

91 - I'm going to surprise you - I put this lose on two things - terrible offensive play-calling on crucial plays and absolutely horrible 3rd and long defense - the players are giving all they've got but honestly, how many times do you call a run up the middle when it hasn't worked in forever and 3rd and long on defense - I really have no clue what's going on ---

WOW! (j/k). I am not sold on the OC and situational awareness of what is happening at the time, vs what he wants to do. That said, I am going to go back to the OL, IMO it starts there. When we road grade, it all starts there. Our D plays better when the O is doing well. We have a three and out and D does not do so well. Complimentary football. I do thing QB1 has regressed, and could be part of the OL issue. Sometimes it is great, sometimes you bang your head on the wall with decisions and throws. We are making wrong decisions at the wrong times, whether it is play call or play execution. dropped balls by the WR. It takes 11 guys on the same page working together on each side of the ball. we only did that once, aTm, the rest of the time, someone was not covering their job, both sides of the ball.

Disagree on the QB1 comment. Given time, he is top notch. The line is a shell of what it has been in the past. Chase accomplishes what he does while running for his life.

[hapapp]

If I recall Coastal entered the season in a similar situation to us, they lost a lot of their offense and key parts of their defense. They are 8-1 and we are 5-4.

I'm as frustrated as the next guy and still scratching my head on our continual 4th down attempts in our own territory (but more baffled by the play calls) but it's not time to talk coaching change. Though given a similar hand to play, Chadwell has Coastal still at the top.

The biggest concern for me is not what the rest of the season brings but where things go next season. A down season is survivable but back to back such campaigns is harder to rebound from.

[pop5app]

Season goal of SBC champ is over. need to win 2 of 3 to be bowl eligible. not sure i see that happening. ODU pounded coastal. Marshall will be tough and the stink is the stink. I do not think i see 2 more wins from this group. That would be total fail to the season.

At this time the remainder of this seaso is what we must concentrate on . I agree with you that I don’t see 2 wins for this team. WE WILL NOT BE FINE OR OK.

[pop5app]

Good thing is other schools coaching will get poached now. App was dominant, coaches got poached. UL was dominant, coaching poached. Hate to say it, coastal is dominant chadwell and korn will be gone after this year. korn to south carolina is my guess. who will bounce back the best out of app coastal and UL? Apps will rise to the occasion with winning tradition, we will be fine.

Sorry, but I disagree. We ain’t fine and I haven’t seen much to indicate that we will be fine.

[MrCraig]

91 - I'm going to surprise you - I put this lose on two things - terrible offensive play-calling on crucial plays and absolutely horrible 3rd and long defense - the players are giving all they've got but honestly, how many times do you call a run up the middle when it hasn't worked in forever and 3rd and long on defense - I really have no clue what's going on ---

WOW! (j/k). I am not sold on the OC and situational awareness of what is happening at the time, vs what he wants to do. That said, I am going to go back to the OL, IMO it starts there. When we road grade, it all starts there. Our D plays better when the O is doing well. We have a three and out and D does not do so well. Complimentary football. I do thing QB1 has regressed, and could be part of the OL issue. Sometimes it is great, sometimes you bang your head on the wall with decisions and throws. We are making wrong decisions at the wrong times, whether it is play call or play execution. dropped balls by the WR. It takes 11 guys on the same page working together on each side of the ball. we only did that once, aTm, the rest of the time, someone was not covering their job, both sides of the ball.

Disagree on the QB1 comment. Given time, he is top notch. The line is a shell of what it has been in the past. Chase accomplishes what he does while running for his life.

I'm convinced anyone who thinks Brice is the problem isn't watching the same games I am. He is EASILY the best QB App has had since Armanti.

[MrCraig]

What happened to the App State team that played the first three games this season? Seriously. Can anyone explain it? The team that went toe-to-toe with UNC would have bodied Coastal. But this isn't that team anymore.

[yosef69]

91 - I'm going to surprise you - I put this lose on two things - terrible offensive play-calling on crucial plays and absolutely horrible 3rd and long defense - the players are giving all they've got but honestly, how many times do you call a run up the middle when it hasn't worked in forever and 3rd and long on defense - I really have no clue what's going on ---

WOW! (j/k). I am not sold on the OC and situational awareness of what is happening at the time, vs what he wants to do. That said, I am going to go back to the OL, IMO it starts there. When we road grade, it all starts there. Our D plays better when the O is doing well. We have a three and out and D does not do so well. Complimentary football. I do thing QB1 has regressed, and could be part of the OL issue. Sometimes it is great, sometimes you bang your head on the wall with decisions and throws. We are making wrong decisions at the wrong times, whether it is play call or play execution. dropped balls by the WR. It takes 11 guys on the same page working together on each side of the ball. we only did that once, aTm, the rest of the time, someone was not covering their job, both sides of the ball.

Disagree on the QB1 comment. Given time, he is top notch. The line is a shell of what it has been in the past. Chase accomplishes what he does while running for his life.

I'm convinced anyone who thinks Brice is the problem isn't watching the same games I am. He is EASILY the best QB App has had since Armanti.

Chase is the only reason we weren’t completely routed last night.

We won’t have a QB with his arm talent for quite some time

[Saint3333]

If I recall Coastal entered the season in a similar situation to us, they lost a lot of their offense and key parts of their defense. They are 8-1 and we are 5-4.

I'm as frustrated as the next guy and still scratching my head on our continual 4th down attempts in our own territory (but more baffled by the play calls) but it's not time to talk coaching change. Though given a similar hand to play, Chadwell has Coastal still at the top.

The biggest concern for me is not what the rest of the season brings but where things go next season. A down season is survivable but back to back such campaigns is harder to rebound from.

It’s November, the we lost a lot of players last season may have been valid in September. But those players should have beaten UNC and did beat A&M. The Jimmy and Joes argument just doesn’t hold water.

[yosef69]

What happened to the App State team that played the first three games this season? Seriously. Can anyone explain it? The team that went toe-to-toe with UNC would have bodied Coastal. But this isn't that team anymore.

Much like the team trying to tackle after isn’t INT last night, they don’t care. They’ve given up. No leadership.