Jerry Moore will not return

[appgrad]

A few thoughts -

A) Just because Coach Moore asked for a year extension on Sunday didn't mean he didn't also agree to this being his last year before the season. He was just coming off of his final game, and probably had a lot of emotions about it...which is not the best time to be making decisions.

B) To imply that it wasn't decided before the season means you think Charlie Cobb concocted a story. This is unlikely - someone would get the truth out. I have never known CC to not take responsibility for his actions, and that leads me to believe my explanation in A is probably accurate.

[kiddbrewer]

I think the retirement/firing/non renewing/whatever you want to call it belongs on this list.

http://www.livescience.com/11375-top-te ... ories.html

Maybe in the top 10.

[BeauFoster]

A few thoughts -

A) Just because Coach Moore asked for a year extension on Sunday didn't mean he didn't also agree to this being his last year before the season. He was just coming off of his final game, and probably had a lot of emotions about it...which is not the best time to be making decisions.

B) To imply that it wasn't decided before the season means you think Charlie Cobb concocted a story. This is unlikely - someone would get the truth out. I have never known CC to not take responsibility for his actions, and that leads me to believe my explanation in A is probably accurate.

A is highly likely. It's pretty much what was circulating in many circles before the season.

[HappyHippie]

it seems odd to me that a quote by Cobb and a few post on a message board is the 'proof' of an agreement. This FBS crap is clouding good judgement. Coach Moore built this program on TRUST and RESPECT. The administration also put a campaign out - CLASS. I see little TRUST and no RESPECT in Sundays explosion. CLASSLESS seems to fit much better.

[appthunder90]

finally heard from my source. fishy is about right.

[ASUTodd]

it seems odd to me that a quote by Cobb and a few post on a message board is the 'proof' of an agreement. This FBS crap is clouding good judgement. Coach Moore built this program on TRUST and RESPECT. The administration also put a campaign out - CLASS. I see little TRUST and no RESPECT in Sundays explosion. CLASSLESS seems to fit much better.

Trust and respect went out the door with C Moore.

[goapps93]

The fishy smell could also be that the handling of the off-field issues had more to do with this than we want to believe. I can appreciate the fact that Mr. Cobb wanted to make the move after last season and that mess but compromised on one more year. Some folks are overly eager to demonize Cobb and deify Coach Moore. It was pretty obvious the last few years that Coach Moore had lost some control over the program and something seemed to be clouding his judgment. I hate to say that because he has been great for our University but it appears to be true. I'm not sure why some folks automatically jump to conclusions and think that Cobb's comments weren't true. The statement was that an agreement was made by a group of 3 people. One person, Coach Moore, may not have liked the agreement but when the bosses make a decision that's pretty much how it's going to be. I don't agree that any person in any person in any position should be able to make the final decision on when they will they leave their position. It's too easy to let emotion be the guide in those situations and emotion usually leads to poor decisions that have lasting effects after the person is long gone. There are plenty of examples of that and several have already been mentioned here. It was time and now it's time to move on and support our next coach.

[BeauFoster]

it seems odd to me that a quote by Cobb and a few post on a message board is the 'proof' of an agreement. This FBS crap is clouding good judgement. Coach Moore built this program on TRUST and RESPECT. The administration also put a campaign out - CLASS. I see little TRUST and no RESPECT in Sundays explosion. CLASSLESS seems to fit much better.

I never heard any of this on a message board, I heard it from multiple sources, none of whom talked to one another. I don't care if you believe it, because nothing will convince you otherwise. Just be happy that the original resolution didn't occur last year.

[HappyHippie]

it seems odd to me that a quote by Cobb and a few post on a message board is the 'proof' of an agreement. This FBS crap is clouding good judgement. Coach Moore built this program on TRUST and RESPECT. The administration also put a campaign out - CLASS. I see little TRUST and no RESPECT in Sundays explosion. CLASSLESS seems to fit much better.

I never heard any of this on a message board, I heard it from multiple sources, none of whom talked to one another. I don't care if you believe it, because nothing will convince you otherwise. Just be happy that the original resolution didn't occur last year.

My bad dude. The almighty Cobb has it all under control.

[goapps93]

And just what position did Charlie coach?

Good grief man. You have really built a wall around yourself in your quest against Cobb. The man has had some accomplishments and some failures. Haven't you? I don't seem to remember that awesome athletic facility behind the West stands or that indoor practice facility on upper stadium field(that should tell you I've been around for a little while) before Cobb became AD. And yes he had a lot of help too. That's the way it works. Coach Moore did not build what we have by himself. I will say that much of what he did was in spite of the previous Athletic and University Admin. Which is why it's true to say that he had a lot of help from both Cobb and Peacock. Do you really think Laney and Bork would have capitalized on our Championship run like Cobb and Peacock did? Sure, any new admin probably would have but it happened to be them. Give them at least a little bit of credit man.

[hAPPy4APP]

A couple thoughts on the internal problems that CC so boldly took charge of.
A. I doubt anyone who knows anything about JM believes he didn't do anything for CM than he would not do or has not done for any other member of his staff who needed the help, counsel, direction of a patient boss, once he was made aware of any issues.
B. This kindness. patience and compassion is what drew the scorn of what-have-you-done-for-me-lately fans and an upward CC reacting to a lynch mob mentaility The issues with CM would have been little noticed had the football team blown the opposition out.
D. The trouble players got into were not of JM's making. Players get in trouble at every school. They can't be watched night and day.
E. JM has a history of having disciplined, God-fearing , dedicated young men, but we have those who would pass judgement on his leadership ability based on isolated incidents, extremely rare over the course of his career.
I wonder if some of the radical posts I see here are from the same fans I hear booing the players and calling the coaches idiots when they struggle on the field. Realy classy!!

[Rekdiver]

And just what position did Charlie coach?

The position that Rochel Laney couldn't.

[appst89]

A couple thoughts on the internal problems that CC so boldly took charge of.
A. I doubt anyone who knows anything about JM believes he didn't do anything for CM than he would not do or has not done for any other member of his staff who needed the help, counsel, direction of a patient boss, once he was made aware of any issues.
B. This kindness. patience and compassion is what drew the scorn of what-have-you-done-for-me-lately fans and an upward CC reacting to a lynch mob mentaility The issues with CM would have been little noticed had the football team blown the opposition out.
D. The trouble players got into were not of JM's making. Players get in trouble at every school. They can't be watched night and day.
E. JM has a history of having disciplined, God-fearing , dedicated young men, but we have those who would pass judgement on his leadership ability based on isolated incidents, extremely rare over the course of his career.
I wonder if some of the radical posts I see here are from the same fans I hear booing the players and calling the coaches idiots when they struggle on the field. Realy classy!!

And the radical posts demonizing Cobb are different how exactly?

Both people were in difficult situations; a legendary coach who didn't want to turn over the reins and an athletic director in a no-win situation. All these conspiracy theories do nothing to enhance the future progress of our team, our athletic program, or our university. What is so difficult about accepting the difficult decisions our administration made, paying homage to a great man and coach who did a lot for everybody he touched, and getting ready to support the next chapter in our evolution?

[AppGrad78]

Glenn: I hardly think Cobb was in a no-win situation.

Coach Moore's dismissal had absolutely nothing to do with our off-the-field problems. As someone else pointed out, when you are the CEO of a group of 110 or so young men, problems are going to arise. Our issues were no different than hundreds of other Division I college football programs, and, truth be known, no different than our other athletic programs -- women's soccer included. Our APR rates and graduation rates in football are the highest ever. And our on-field records are still the envy of our subdivision. Those talking-points coming out of Cobb's office about this being about a slippage in the program are merely red herrings to mask the real "difference of opinion" here.

No, this is 100 percent about FBS. Cobb is the conductor, engineer, ticket collector and caboose rider on that train. Moore wanted no part of it. In a few days, we'll probably be accepted into the Sun Belt Conference, and Cobb couldn't stand the thought of sitting in that news conference with Coach Moore on the podium offering a slow clap. Cobb preferred a lapdog of a coach willing to tell the audience what a great day it was for Appalachian athletics.

No, Cobb wasn't in a no-win situation. All he had to do was be honest with us.

[appst89]

Glenn: I hardly think Cobb was in a no-win situation.

Coach Moore's dismissal had absolutely nothing to do with our off-the-field problems. As someone else pointed out, when you are the CEO of a group of 110 or so young men, problems are going to arise. Our issues were no different than hundreds of other Division I college football programs, and, truth be known, no different than our other athletic programs -- women's soccer included. Our APR rates and graduation rates in football are the highest ever. And our on-field records are still the envy of our subdivision. Those talking-points coming out of Cobb's office about this being about a slippage in the program are merely red herrings to mask the real "difference of opinion" here.

No, this is 100 percent about FBS. Cobb is the conductor, engineer, ticket collector and caboose rider on that train. Moore wanted no part of it. In a few days, we'll probably be accepted into the Sun Belt Conference, and Cobb couldn't stand the thought of sitting in that news conference with Coach Moore on the podium offering a slow clap. Cobb preferred a lapdog of a coach willing to tell the audience what a great day it was for Appalachian athletics.

No, Cobb wasn't in a no-win situation. All he had to do was be honest with us.

I haven't seen anywhere that he wasn't honest. He could have called it a retirement; he didn't. He laid it out like it was. He said there was an agreement, he said there was a difference of opinion and he made a difficult call. He may have had ulterior motives, but the truth is none of us will likely ever know that for sure. But if an invitation is imminent and he knows Moore wants no part of it then what is he supposed to do? I do believe it was a no-win situation because if he does nothing and we do move to FBS then we have a lame-duck coach who doesn't really want to be there, but by making the decision he made he opened himself to all this second guessing and conspiracy theories.

I know I'm coming off as a Cobb defender here, and that isn't entirely the case. I have some issues with things he has done, chief among them the complete disaster that is our basketball program. I just don't think the blame for this situation rests solely on his shoulders. Moore bears at least as much of the blame. You're right that the CEO cannot personally supervise 110 employees, but the CEO is where the buck stops. There are enough well-documented on-the-field and off-the-field incidents in the last few years to indicate some slippage in the grip the CEO held over the organization.

I really do hate that this had to happen the way it did, but I think it did have to happen. If the Bowden and Paterno situations (not the extracurricular stuff but just the coaching part) didn't teach us anything else, it had to teach us that things cannot be allowed to linger until they become bigger problems. No, it's not pleasant and I wish it could have ended differently, but the signs were not pointing to that kind of conclusion. I guess I'm just willing to accept that it was an unpleasant decision that our leadership felt had to be made. That's why they are in those positions, and in the absence of a good reason not to, I'm going to trust that they knew what they were doing.

[HappyHippie]

Glenn: I hardly think Cobb was in a no-win situation.

Coach Moore's dismissal had absolutely nothing to do with our off-the-field problems. As someone else pointed out, when you are the CEO of a group of 110 or so young men, problems are going to arise. Our issues were no different than hundreds of other Division I college football programs, and, truth be known, no different than our other athletic programs -- women's soccer included. Our APR rates and graduation rates in football are the highest ever. And our on-field records are still the envy of our subdivision. Those talking-points coming out of Cobb's office about this being about a slippage in the program are merely red herrings to mask the real "difference of opinion" here.

No, this is 100 percent about FBS. Cobb is the conductor, engineer, ticket collector and caboose rider on that train. Moore wanted no part of it. In a few days, we'll probably be accepted into the Sun Belt Conference, and Cobb couldn't stand the thought of sitting in that news conference with Coach Moore on the podium offering a slow clap. Cobb preferred a lapdog of a coach willing to tell the audience what a great day it was for Appalachian athletics.

No, Cobb wasn't in a no-win situation. All he had to do was be honest with us.

I haven't seen anywhere that he wasn't honest. He could have called it a retirement; he didn't. He laid it out like it was. He said there was an agreement, he said there was a difference of opinion and he made a difficult call. He may have had ulterior motives, but the truth is none of us will likely ever know that for sure. But if an invitation is imminent and he knows Moore wants no part of it then what is he supposed to do? I do believe it was a no-win situation because if he does nothing and we do move to FBS then we have a lame-duck coach who doesn't really want to be there, but by making the decision he made he opened himself to all this second guessing and conspiracy theories.

I know I'm coming off as a Cobb defender here, and that isn't entirely the case. I have some issues with things he has done, chief among them the complete disaster that is our basketball program. I just don't think the blame for this situation rests solely on his shoulders. Moore bears at least as much of the blame. You're right that the CEO cannot personally supervise 110 employees, but the CEO is where the buck stops. There are enough well-documented on-the-field and off-the-field incidents in the last few years to indicate some slippage in the grip the CEO held over the organization.

I really do hate that this had to happen the way it did, but I think it did have to happen. If the Bowden and Paterno situations (not the extracurricular stuff but just the coaching part) didn't teach us anything else, it had to teach us that things cannot be allowed to linger until they become bigger problems. No, it's not pleasant and I wish it could have ended differently, but the signs were not pointing to that kind of conclusion. I guess I'm just willing to accept that it was an unpleasant decision that our leadership felt had to be made. That's why they are in those positions, and in the absence of a good reason not to, I'm going to trust that they knew what they were doing.

I hope this is a joke.

[appst89]

Glenn: I hardly think Cobb was in a no-win situation.

Coach Moore's dismissal had absolutely nothing to do with our off-the-field problems. As someone else pointed out, when you are the CEO of a group of 110 or so young men, problems are going to arise. Our issues were no different than hundreds of other Division I college football programs, and, truth be known, no different than our other athletic programs -- women's soccer included. Our APR rates and graduation rates in football are the highest ever. And our on-field records are still the envy of our subdivision. Those talking-points coming out of Cobb's office about this being about a slippage in the program are merely red herrings to mask the real "difference of opinion" here.

No, this is 100 percent about FBS. Cobb is the conductor, engineer, ticket collector and caboose rider on that train. Moore wanted no part of it. In a few days, we'll probably be accepted into the Sun Belt Conference, and Cobb couldn't stand the thought of sitting in that news conference with Coach Moore on the podium offering a slow clap. Cobb preferred a lapdog of a coach willing to tell the audience what a great day it was for Appalachian athletics.

No, Cobb wasn't in a no-win situation. All he had to do was be honest with us.

I haven't seen anywhere that he wasn't honest. He could have called it a retirement; he didn't. He laid it out like it was. He said there was an agreement, he said there was a difference of opinion and he made a difficult call. He may have had ulterior motives, but the truth is none of us will likely ever know that for sure. But if an invitation is imminent and he knows Moore wants no part of it then what is he supposed to do? I do believe it was a no-win situation because if he does nothing and we do move to FBS then we have a lame-duck coach who doesn't really want to be there, but by making the decision he made he opened himself to all this second guessing and conspiracy theories.

I know I'm coming off as a Cobb defender here, and that isn't entirely the case. I have some issues with things he has done, chief among them the complete disaster that is our basketball program. I just don't think the blame for this situation rests solely on his shoulders. Moore bears at least as much of the blame. You're right that the CEO cannot personally supervise 110 employees, but the CEO is where the buck stops. There are enough well-documented on-the-field and off-the-field incidents in the last few years to indicate some slippage in the grip the CEO held over the organization.

I really do hate that this had to happen the way it did, but I think it did have to happen. If the Bowden and Paterno situations (not the extracurricular stuff but just the coaching part) didn't teach us anything else, it had to teach us that things cannot be allowed to linger until they become bigger problems. No, it's not pleasant and I wish it could have ended differently, but the signs were not pointing to that kind of conclusion. I guess I'm just willing to accept that it was an unpleasant decision that our leadership felt had to be made. That's why they are in those positions, and in the absence of a good reason not to, I'm going to trust that they knew what they were doing.

I hope this is a joke.

Sorry to disappoint you. If you can provide something other than speculation, I'm open to changing my mind. But thus far, I could say the same about your posts as you just said about mine.

[AppGrad78]

"But if an invitation is imminent and he knows Moore wants no part of it then what is he supposed to do?"

What would have been the harm to let him have the additional season? This time, put it in writing. Announce it to the world. Another season under Moore would have had absolutely no bearing on FBS or the Sun Belt. Unfortunately, Cobb couldn't stand the thought of one of his underlings with an opinion contrary to his own. And why, WHY! divide the university community this way? Cobb had to have known it was going to go down this way. It didn't have to. Yes, Jerry played a role in this. But if I'm in his shoes, I'm pissed that I'm being kicked to the curb by someone who has not one shred of administrative ability.

We fans have gotten so intoxicated by our success that we don't appreciate the role Coach Moore has played in it.

[ASUTodd]

"But if an invitation is imminent and he knows Moore wants no part of it then what is he supposed to do?"

What would have been the harm to let him have the additional season? This time, put it in writing. Announce it to the world. Another season under Moore would have had absolutely no bearing on FBS or the Sun Belt. Unfortunately, Cobb couldn't stand the thought of one of his underlings with an opinion contrary to his own. And why, WHY! divide the university community this way? Cobb had to have known it was going to go down this way. It didn't have to. Yes, Jerry played a role in this. But if I'm in his shoes, I'm pissed that I'm being kicked to the curb by someone who has not one shred of administrative ability.

We fans have gotten so intoxicated by our success that we don't appreciate the role Coach Moore has played in it.

I want some of that koolaid!

[appst89]

"But if an invitation is imminent and he knows Moore wants no part of it then what is he supposed to do?"

What would have been the harm to let him have the additional season? This time, put it in writing. Announce it to the world. Another season under Moore would have had absolutely no bearing on FBS or the Sun Belt. Unfortunately, Cobb couldn't stand the thought of one of his underlings with an opinion contrary to his own. And why, WHY! divide the university community this way? Cobb had to have known it was going to go down this way. It didn't have to. Yes, Jerry played a role in this. But if I'm in his shoes, I'm pissed that I'm being kicked to the curb by someone who has not one shred of administrative ability.

We fans have gotten so intoxicated by our success that we don't appreciate the role Coach Moore has played in it.

I appreciate everything he did. He was instrumental in ASU achieving the level of success we have enjoyed.

Otherwise, we'll just have to agree to disagree.