Here are the EMAILS Letters

[AppinATL]

Just as I suspected. Jerry tried to play "dumb" and use pressure try to get one more year.

Coach Moore might not read emails....

or he might have fallen asleep before that part about "it's time" trying to get through that novella Charlie wrote

[appst89]

After reading the letters, it seems like it was a good thing that they came to light. I think they show that Cobb was trying to do the right thing for all concerned and it all blew up in his face, regardless. I have always been behind Charlie as far as the job he has done as AD. I think we have a real good one here. I have been and remain critical of his PR skills. It seems to me all this ugliness could have been avoided or at least mitigated if he had handled the announcement differently.

Doing it the very next morning after such a heartbreaking loss with Coach Moore not even around for comment really gave a bad impression. What was the hurry? If it were me, I would have talked to Coach privately to let him know we were going forward with the agreement, let it sink in for a few days then had a press conference with Coach Moore to announce his RETIREMENT and publicly thank him for his tremendous contributions to the football program and the university. That would be presenting a united front and presumably, by that time, Coach would be better prepared to put on a good public face and go along with things. If that was not possible, then at least I would have tried. I really think that if you sat down with Coach and laid it all out like was done in the letter and stressed that your main concern was to not damage his reputation or that of the program and University, that with a few days for him to cool down and think clearly, he would have gone along with it.

But what's done is done. Now the main job at hand is to move forward. Get a new coach in place and hopefully find us a new FBS home and get some positive news coverage for a change with a fresh start. I think Charlie is our guy and trust that the athletic dept is in good hands. They just maybe need to send him to a PR workshop or two or get a PR consultant hired.

Moore was already campaigning for another season in the postgame radio show. It may well have been Cobb's intention to wait a few days. We'll never know that because Moore forced his hand by his comments immediately after the game.

[Appsolutely]

Just as I suspected. Jerry tried to play "dumb" and use pressure try to get one more year.

This.

How you can tell a newspaper you were blindsided after recieving that letter...

Thanks for dragging App through the mud JM. Cobb tries to save your rep, and you down his. Great way to go out.

You guys are being to hard on Jerry. He did not drag us through the mud. He simply made it known he was not ready to go and felt blindsided. I am sure he was blindsided in Dec 2011 when he got the letter. If you read his words he was quoting directly from the letter "it is time". Also we don't know what his respose was. We have one side of the story. It is the side that matters but don't try to make jerry out a lier or senile because he did not accept his fate quietly.

I have said many times this is best for our program. It should have been done last year when there was cause. It was with very good intent that one more year was granted but in the end it was the wrong decision. That is the blessing and the curse of a University like ASU we are like family and It is difficult to make these decisions wrt family members. I will say Charlie sounds like he is trying to hide behind somebody "those that matter". I am sure that galled Jerry.

What Jerry thought about Cobb's decision is/was irrelevant. The AD (with the approval of the Chancellor and the BOT) decides who coaches and for how long. Cobb ALLOWED Moore to coach one more year. What Jerry thought about that decision is/was as worthless as a bucket of warm spit.

[Appsolutely]

IS THAT ALL THEY HAVE? Seriously, one email from Cobb to Coach Moore and one memo from Cobb to Peacock. No written or typed response from the Coach whatsoever, and the last document of record dated December 31st of last year...for one of the most important athletics decisions in University history???

First thoughts:
The released documents add weight to the notion that Cobb and Peacock have, for at least a year, wanted to oust Coach Moore. They tell us nothing, unfiltered, though, about what the Coach thought of their plans. There is nothing directly from the Coach indicating that he agreed to anything.

Cobb comes off as a benevolent guy who is concerned that the job of Head Coach is taking its toll on Jerry Moore's health. I wonder if the same impression would be conveyed without all the redactions?

The passage "The 2012 football season is Coach Moore’s last season as head coach. He will retire immediately following the final game of the 2012 season. This would be communicated immediately to him and the staff and announced publicly in the spring although it is assumed that it will be public before then." doesn't jibe with Peacock's Brad Adcock anecdote. Neither does it make sense with keeping the staff, especially Satterfield, and the fanbase in the dark for so long.

Cobb himself refutes the recruiting argument advanced by some as a reason to force Coach Moore to step down so soon after the Illinois State game and not give the Coach a "farewell season": "One, effective recruiting is an inexact science by nature, Two, over the last several years, kids being recruited by us have not come in with the expectation to play for Coach their entire college careers. Three, because of the unstable nature of coaching, no kid being recruited by any staff in America can be honestly told that they will play for that coach or staff for his entire career. In the SoCon alone, every team but Wofford and us changed head coaches in the past five years or, more accurately, during the college life of kids in the 2011 graduating class."

News flash:
Jerry=employee
Cobb/Chancellor/BOT=employer

If the "employer" wants to fire the "employee," what the employee has to say about it, or what he thinks about it is irrelevant unless the "employee" can prove he was wrongfully dismissed. So, sonofyosef, my suggestion would be that you extract your head from Jerry's ass and move on.

[asug8]

No matter where your head is on this situation the release of this information produced no winners. Moore looks bad, the administration looks bad. The truth came out, yet I don't really feel good about how either party handled it.

[GlassOnion]

No matter where your head is on this situation the release of this information produced no winners. Moore looks bad, the administration looks bad. The truth came out, yet I don't really feel good about how either party handled it.

I disagree.

This release to me, makes Cobb look like a nice guy trying to do whats right and makes JM look like a confused old man, or slightly less than honest.

[asug8]

No matter where your head is on this situation the release of this information produced no winners. Moore looks bad, the administration looks bad. The truth came out, yet I don't really feel good about how either party handled it.

I disagree.

This release to me, makes Cobb look like a nice guy trying to do whats right and makes JM look like a confused old man, or slightly less than honest.

I'm not trying to be a Moore apologist, although much of what the administration said up until today made it look like he'd been forced out. I think most of us suspected there were two sides to it and that was validated today.
If you put the verbal interviews and press releases alongside the private written word to get the whole context it looks bad on both sides. No doubt Jerry looks a lot worse now with this release, Cobb and Peacock look marginally better, but when set against their verbal media responses on Jerry's departure the administration looks like it has a PR problem.

[RockCampAPP]

There does not have to be nor can there be "winners (Cobb's Camp) or losers (Jerry's People)... nothing will change what has already happened. Especially, MMB self-serving. Most of us had roller coaster positions and thoughts at one point or the other. The facts are simply these: We enjoyed a fantastic coach for 24 years who did build a University and personal legacy. He did so with integrity and deserves congratulations, support, and celebration. We also have strong leadership in both Cobb and Peacock. They both were portion and part of building what our ASU athletics including football has today. Coach did not do so as an individual contributor but as a the Head Coach with the assistance of both Cobb and Peacock and lots of others including those who donate. Both Cobb and Peacock made tough administrative calls as needed to be made. The decision has been made. An awkward ending should not destroy a legacy or keep ASU from moving forward. There is no more time for blame. There is only time to celebrate what has been done. Time to move to the next adventure of FBS with a united ASU family. It needs to start yesterday, and needs to start on this MMB. GO APPS GO! THE PRE-SEASON FOR NEXT SEASON IS ALREADY HERE....

[dp42828]

I was glad to see how respectful Cobb was of Moore. Honestly, I think JM took a little advantage of that and tried to force a 25th season. I would have probably done the same thing.

From a hire/fire standpoint. The letter says all the right things. From a PR perspective, their biggest threat was that JM wasn't on board. They should have communicated more throughout the season and made sure that he knew in no uncertain terms that he would retire on the day after our last game. When you put it in those terms, the reaction will start to come to the surface and you can deal with it before it hits the papers.

[GlassOnion]

No matter where your head is on this situation the release of this information produced no winners. Moore looks bad, the administration looks bad. The truth came out, yet I don't really feel good about how either party handled it.

I disagree.

This release to me, makes Cobb look like a nice guy trying to do whats right and makes JM look like a confused old man, or slightly less than honest.

I'm not trying to be a Moore apologist, although much of what the administration said up until today made it look like he'd been forced out. I think most of us suspected there were two sides to it and that was validated today.
If you put the verbal interviews and press releases alongside the private written word to get the whole context it looks bad on both sides. No doubt Jerry looks a lot worse now with this release, Cobb and Peacock look marginally better, but when set against their verbal media responses on Jerry's departure the administration looks like it has a PR problem.

I disagree again.

When you put the emails with all the interviews, including the post game JM int. It looks like Cobb acted with very good intentions and valid concerns, and that JM tried to pull one over on him publicly, derailing a carefully planned retirement announcement. The fact that JM denied knowing of his stepping down is indefensible.

Had JM not started after the ISU game campaigning for media support, there likely would have been nice presser when JM got back from NY. and we'd likely be celebrating JM and pulling for Cobb to make a great hire. Instead, JM created a wedge, and blew the whole thing up

Think of it this way, if you worked for somebody, and did a good job for years and years and were nearing the end of your career, and your employer came to you and said he wanted to go a new direction and replace you, but that he wanted to move you to another place in the company for 3 years at more than your current salary as a thank you, would you go out and take out a front page newspaper add against your employer? Well thats exactly what JM did giving his interview.

[appbio91]

Just as I suspected. Jerry tried to play "dumb" and use pressure try to get one more year.

This.

How you can tell a newspaper you were blindsided after recieving that letter...

Thanks for dragging App through the mud JM. Cobb tries to save your rep, and you down his. Great way to go out.

You guys are being to hard on Jerry. He did not drag us through the mud. He simply made it known he was not ready to go and felt blindsided. I am sure he was blindsided in Dec 2011 when he got the letter. If you read his words he was quoting directly from the letter "it is time". Also we don't know what his respose was. We have one side of the story. It is the side that matters but don't try to make jerry out a lier or senile because he did not accept his fate quietly.

I have said many times this is best for our program. It should have been done last year when there was cause. It was with very good intent that one more year was granted but in the end it was the wrong decision. That is the blessing and the curse of a University like ASU we are like family and It is difficult to make these decisions wrt family members. I will say Charlie sounds like he is trying to hide behind somebody "those that matter". I am sure that galled Jerry.

What Jerry thought about Cobb's decision is/was irrelevant. The AD (with the approval of the Chancellor and the BOT) decides who coaches and for how long. Cobb ALLOWED Moore to coach one more year. What Jerry thought about that decision is/was as worthless as a bucket of warm spit.

I totally agree, that's why he should have been fired when he did not take the offer in 2011. All I am saying is JM response is classic victim mentality so quit acting like there is something unusual about it. He is the same guy you stood line to shake his hand in 2007. He is the same guy that encouraged his players to participate in campus ministry and he is the same guy that would sit for hours until all the pictures were taken and autographs signed.

[asug8]

No matter where your head is on this situation the release of this information produced no winners. Moore looks bad, the administration looks bad. The truth came out, yet I don't really feel good about how either party handled it.

I disagree.

This release to me, makes Cobb look like a nice guy trying to do whats right and makes JM look like a confused old man, or slightly less than honest.

I'm not trying to be a Moore apologist, although much of what the administration said up until today made it look like he'd been forced out. I think most of us suspected there were two sides to it and that was validated today.
If you put the verbal interviews and press releases alongside the private written word to get the whole context it looks bad on both sides. No doubt Jerry looks a lot worse now with this release, Cobb and Peacock look marginally better, but when set against their verbal media responses on Jerry's departure the administration looks like it has a PR problem.

I disagree again.

When you put the emails with all the interviews, including the post game JM int. It looks like Cobb acted with very good intentions and valid concerns, and that JM tried to pull one over on him publicly, derailing a carefully planned retirement announcement. The fact that JM denied knowing of his stepping down is indefensible.

Had JM not started after the ISU game campaigning for media support, there likely would have been nice presser when JM got back from NY. and we'd likely be celebrating JM and pulling for Cobb to make a great hire. Instead, JM created a wedge, and blew the whole thing up

Think of it this way, if you worked for somebody, and did a good job for years and years and were nearing the end of your career, and your employer came to you and said he wanted to go a new direction and replace you, but that he wanted to move you to another place in the company for 3 years at more than your current salary as a thank you, would you go out and take out a front page newspaper add against your employer? Well thats exactly what JM did giving his interview.

We'll agree to disagree. Cobb said the right things in his e-mail/letter last year, but calling this "carefully planned" and the resulting public brouhaha that came out with rampant charges of miscommunication, etc. don't really make me think that it was managed through the season to be sure everyone was on the same page. Maybe a man's word a year ago should be good enough, but it seems there should have been some written agreement in place (maybe there is) and at the minimum both sides should have done some follow up so there were no surprises like this at the very end making it a very uncomfortable transition for all involved.

[GlassOnion]

We'll agree to disagree. Cobb said the right things in his e-mail/letter last year, but calling this "carefully planned" and the resulting public brouhaha that came out with rampant charges of miscommunication, etc. don't really make me think that it was managed through the season to be sure everyone was on the same page. Maybe a man's word a year ago should be good enough, but it seems there should have been some written agreement in place (maybe there is) and at the minimum both sides should have done some follow up so there were no surprises like this at the very end making it a very uncomfortable transition for all involved.

First of all, it was carefully planned, as referenced in Cobb's email to Peacock. JM derailed the plans by giving a public interview in which he was drumming up support for another year, which would then have made it a HUGE bruhaha to remove JM. Next, Cobb trusted JM, and probably didnt feel the need to get it in writing as JM's contract expired in June anyways, and it doesnt appear the BOT was willing at all to extend JM's contract in anycase. A little bruhaha is better than the bloody murder that would have gone on had JM said he wasnt going to go anywhere and Cobb had to fire him publicly. That could have severely damaged Appalachian.

[Appsolutely]

No matter where your head is on this situation the release of this information produced no winners. Moore looks bad, the administration looks bad. The truth came out, yet I don't really feel good about how either party handled it.

I disagree.

This release to me, makes Cobb look like a nice guy trying to do whats right and makes JM look like a confused old man, or slightly less than honest.

I'm not trying to be a Moore apologist, although much of what the administration said up until today made it look like he'd been forced out. I think most of us suspected there were two sides to it and that was validated today.
If you put the verbal interviews and press releases alongside the private written word to get the whole context it looks bad on both sides. No doubt Jerry looks a lot worse now with this release, Cobb and Peacock look marginally better, but when set against their verbal media responses on Jerry's departure the administration looks like it has a PR problem.

I disagree again.

When you put the emails with all the interviews, including the post game JM int. It looks like Cobb acted with very good intentions and valid concerns, and that JM tried to pull one over on him publicly, derailing a carefully planned retirement announcement. The fact that JM denied knowing of his stepping down is indefensible.

Had JM not started after the ISU game campaigning for media support, there likely would have been nice presser when JM got back from NY. and we'd likely be celebrating JM and pulling for Cobb to make a great hire. Instead, JM created a wedge, and blew the whole thing up

Think of it this way, if you worked for somebody, and did a good job for years and years and were nearing the end of your career, and your employer came to you and said he wanted to go a new direction and replace you, but that he wanted to move you to another place in the company for 3 years at more than your current salary as a thank you, would you go out and take out a front page newspaper add against your employer? Well thats exactly what JM did giving his interview.

We'll agree to disagree. Cobb said the right things in his e-mail/letter last year, but calling this "carefully planned" and the resulting public brouhaha that came out with rampant charges of miscommunication, etc. don't really make me think that it was managed through the season to be sure everyone was on the same page. Maybe a man's word a year ago should be good enough, but it seems there should have been some written agreement in place (maybe there is) and at the minimum both sides should have done some follow up so there were no surprises like this at the very end making it a very uncomfortable transition for all involved.

The "brouhaha" was caused by one thing, and one thing only: Moore running his mouth to the press. Absent his comments, this "brouhaha" doesn't exist.

[newtoasu]

The "brouhaha" was caused by one thing, and one thing only: Moore running his mouth to the press. Absent his comments, this "brouhaha" doesn't exist.

That Chris, is THE bottom line.

[Gonzo]

The "brouhaha" was caused by one thing, and one thing only: Moore running his mouth to the press. Absent his comments, this "brouhaha" doesn't exist.

This. He had another senior moment when he told the media he was blindsided by something he was clearly notified of.

Love and respect the man like crazy, but it's the truth.

[CamelCityAppFan]

No need for there to be sides taken. Outside of the Appalachian family, and apparently the jealous cousins in Cullowhee, not much attention is being paid to the fallout. We've had way more press over an errant free throw than this epic post-season clash of the titans. It turns out that Coach really, really loves his job and has a hard time looking at a future off the sidelines. It also turns out that the AD is a reasonably competent professional and has the best interests of the program in mind. Can we finally get to "nothing to see here, move along"?

What I found most intriguing in the document release was in the Cobb to Peacock memo regarding the FBS move. The language there implies that they (Cobb and Peacock) thought that there would have been a conference invite during the spring/summer re-alignment and that this past season would have been the first of the two transition years. Certainly would have been on their minds, given the FCS/FBS payout clause in the Michigan 2014 contract. The thought of App playing its first game as an FBS school in the Big House is appealing on many levels.

[GlassOnion]

The "brouhaha" was caused by one thing, and one thing only: Moore running his mouth to the press. Absent his comments, this "brouhaha" doesn't exist.

GAME OVER...



Play again?

[appgrad]

I guess we don't have the communication - but in Cobb's letter, he offers Coach Moore a pretty sweet six-figure gig, and then in his memo to Chancellor Peacock he notes that Coach turned that offer down.

To me - that pretty much indicates that Coach Moore agreed to coach one more year...and obviously hoped winning would keep him on. Actually - to be quite honest with you, I like to think it was a bit more benevolent for Coach Moore than that...I honestly think he really wanted to win another title, and then retire...and losing like this only made him want it more. Sad that it had to end like this, but it did.

Glad that we have this out in the open, and can move on.

Also - the more I read these, it gives me the distinct impression that Satterfield isn't as much of a shoe-in as I thought. That said - it's important to note that he was hired 5 days after Cobb sent his memo referencing Bill Stewart. Could be that SS got wind of this, and saw it as an opportunity.

[Kgfish]

What is being overlooked is the part about Bill Stewart. I had been told a chance meeting between Cobb and Scott is the reason Scott came back and these documents seem to bear that out. It is clearly obvious Satterfied was not on Cobb's radar when the initial decision was made to hire a OC. I have always maintained the whole coach in waiting idea was dreamed up by message board posters prmarily because no one remotely connected with ASU has ever said it. The question is what does this say about his chance to be the next HC? Perhaps he isn't the shoo in everyone thinks. We will see.