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[wataugan03]

What we know from this:
1. In 2011 Cobb told Moore that he was bringing in a new coach
2. That isn't what happened
3. Cobb told Peacock that he had struck an agreement with Moore that this would be Moore's final year - and appeared to be seeking Peacock's approval.
4. Cobb expected that the whole staff would be informed that this was the last year.
5. "Chemistry issues" were a problem, and Cobb expected that they could be fixed with new assistants.
6. "The important people" would not be happy with anything less than a championship.
7. Cobb did not think he could justify having to pay money to the fired coaches under current fiscal restraints.
8. Cobb was hoping to have a decision on the FBS front by the time Moore announced that he was stepping down.

What we don't know:
1. What JM said to Cobb, Peacock, Beasley, or the important people that led to JM not being fired.
2. Exactly what was said b/w Cobb and JM leading to the agreement outlined in the memo (did Cobb overstate the terms in his memo, did JM lie or forget what had happened, was it a misunderstanding resulting from vague language - we don't know)
3. Whether Peacock accepted Cobb's plan as outlined or if changes were made.
4. Whether there were continued negotiations between Moore, Cobb, Peacock, and others that happened after these documents were drafted
5. Whether the "chemistry issues" were considered a problem in and of themselves or if they were only a problem to the extent that they were a cause of an 8-4 season.
6. Who the "important people" are.
7. Whether Peacock accepted Cobb's plan or whether some changes were made.
8. Whether the entire staff was actually informed before the season that this would be JM's final year (its hard to believe it didn't get out with that many people in the know).

[cbarrier90]

So sad to see the axe some board members have to grind.

Said it before and will say it again: The man should have the stadium named after him, but Jerry Moore wasn't perfect.

The program is bigger than one coach. I hope those in the Moore camp will reconsider their position on the issue. If not, oh well. We're moving on, it's gonna be a fun ride, and you're gonna be missing out.

[bcoach]

What is really sad is that all they had to do was put it in writing. Sorry guys but as far as I am concerned if it was not in writing it does not exist. I vote to house the business school in the athletic department. I see time and time again what they preach is not good enough for them to practice.

[WXAPP]

I think when the dust settles and coach adjusts, he will still be an asset to ASU and I hope he'll want to be. It is hard for guys who coach their entire adult life, to just be thrust into retirement; I watched my parents go through that (my dad didn't retire on his terms) but, adjust they did, and frankly, it was for the better. Coach Moore can't see that yet, but he will... in time.

Coaches eat, live and breath for the mechanics and process that is football. It's a way of life that you just don't change on a dime. Football consumes you, drives you and challenges you. Military in when, where and how to do things at certain times of the year. I often refer to it as "football crack". Once hooked, you just don't shake the addiction easily.

Charlie, the Chancellor, and the BOT, are tasked with looking towards the long term viability and success of the program and the school; the future. They did just that and they are to be credited with making the tough call and prepping ASU for a rapidly changing athletic and academic field.

I respect the hell out of Coach Moore. He'll adjust. There are joys in having meals with family, grandchildren, no film review on Sunday's, no 20 hours days, and not having to travel all over for recruiting. The Moore's can travel, take it easy, stop and smell the roses for a change. I think, they'll see the value in that. It's not about getting old per say, but learning to enjoy other things in life beyond the gridiron. My friends, there is a lot for them yet to explore. I hope they do. As the son of a coach, it was nice to get my dad back after some 38 years of coaching. There are good things that come from that.

I want for the Moore's to come back to KBS amid cheers, applause and smiles on the faces of fans and the administration. I hope this dust up can be cleaned up and all parties involved can do the right thing for all involved.

Proud to be a MOUNTAINEER!

[AppinVA]

I think when the dust settles and coach adjusts, he will still be an asset to ASU and I hope he'll want to be. It is hard for guys who coach their entire adult life, to just be thrust into retirement; I watched my parents go through that (my dad didn't retire on his terms) but, adjust they did, and frankly, it was for the better. Coach Moore can't see that yet, but he will... in time.

Coaches eat, live, and breath for the mechanics and process that is football. It's a way of life that you just don't change on a dime. Football consumes you, drives you and challenges you. Military in when, where and how to do things at certain times of the year. I often refer to it as "football crack". Once hooked, you just don't shake the addiction easily.

Charlie, the Chancellor ,and the BOT, are tasked with looking towards the long term viability and success of the program and the school. They did just that and they are to be credited with making the tough call and prepping ASU for a rapidly changing athletic and academic future.

I respect the hell out of Coach Moore. He'll adjust. There are joys in meals with family, grandchildren, no film review on Sunday's and not having to travel all over for recruiting. The Moore's can travel, take it easy, stop and smell the roses for a change. I think, they'll see the value in that. It's not about getting old per say, but learning to enjoy other things in life beyond the gridiron. My friends, there is a lot for them yet to explore. I hope they do.

I want for the Moore's to come back to KBS amid cheers, applause and smiles on the faces of fans and the administration. I hope this dust up can be cleaned up and all parties involved can do the right thing for all involved.

Proud to be a MOUNTAINEER!

Though it won't happen, I believe we could end this thread right here. Well said.

[eggers76]

Bravo WXAPP. Very well stated from a perspective that most of us do not have. Thanks again and I concur that I am proud to be a Mountaineer.

[fjblair]

I would love to know what the "chemistry issues" were and who the "important people" are.

I thought the announcement from Cobb was poorly timed but the meeting with JM on Sunday morning must have gone very badly. It was obvious JM was making an end run around CC and the administration and I'm sure that topic was addressed Sunday morning and JM was not open to going quietly. So he forced CC's hand.

It's all speculation and I don't care. It's a shame but in the long run it's not going to matter. JM was great for ASU and now we go to the next chapter.

[T-Dog]

I guess people forgot the pre-season articles where Moore talked about how the 2011 coaching staff was split between the running the ball camp and the throwing the ball camp and how he had to write personal letters to parents threatening to revoke scholarships if things didn't improve. Those were the "chemistry issues".

As far as who are the "important people", next football game when you're walking to the stadium, look at the people tailgating in Stadium Lot closest to the stadium.

[dubs21]

What is really sad is that all they had to do was put it in writing. Sorry guys but as far as I am concerned if it was not in writing it does not exist. I vote to house the business school in the athletic department. I see time and time again what they preach is not good enough for them to practice.

What do you want to see in writing? Coach's original contract ends this year. Unless they renew it, he is done coaching. They didn't renew it. They tried to give him another deal, he didn't want that either.

[appgrad]

This is the problem, Dubs...there are people in this board who think Coach Moore gets to decide this, not his bosses. They also seem oblivious to the idea that email has replaced printed letters as the standard form of inter-office communication. I'm amazed they are even able to operate a computer in such a way that enables them to locate this message board.

[GreatAppSt]

What Jerry thought about Cobb's decision is/was irrelevant. The AD (with the approval of the Chancellor and the BOT) decides who coaches and for how long. Cobb ALLOWED Moore to coach one more year. What Jerry thought about that decision is/was as worthless as a bucket of warm spit.

Zing!

[appbio91]

This is the problem, Dubs...there are people in this board who think Coach Moore gets to decide this, not his bosses. They also seem oblivious to the idea that email has replaced printed letters as the standard form of inter-office communication. I'm amazed they are even able to operate a computer in such a way that enables them to locate this message board.

I remember an interview Moore gave after the season a few years back. I don't remember the year but it was maybe 2008 or so. He was asked how much longer before he would retire. He said he would coach as long as he enjoyed it. I think he did assume he would be the one to decide when "it was time" but last year did him in. I think in the absence of that nightmare he would have been able to ride it out another year at least. The FBS move still would have dictated the end so next year at the most would have been it.

[appgrad]

I think people forget how bad last year was...things that were public and private. We had 2 starters accused of sexual assault, with a third involved in some way. All of these players ended up being allowed to keep playing for periods of time after the incident.

We apparently had a coach (the son of the HC) accused of sexual misconduct with a student, and the same coach was helping to cause total chaos in playcalling on the offensive side of the ball.

Add to that - I seem to recall rumblings that Jerry wouldn't commit to retiring unless said offspring was given the head coaching job. It wasn't our finest moment, despite an 8-3 finish.

It sounds like, from the emails, this took a toll on Coach Moore and his family...and while he was partly to blame for this, I also think it showed Cobb that maybe he didn't completely grasp what was going on around him.

Coach Moore is a great, honorable, man...and I feel like all of those things were very out of character for him. Cobb has spent more time around him than any of us, and I think he saw that too. It was a giant red flag.

[T-Dog]

What is being overlooked is the part about Bill Stewart. I had been told a chance meeting between Cobb and Scott is the reason Scott came back and these documents seem to bear that out. It is clearly obvious Satterfied was not on Cobb's radar when the initial decision was made to hire a OC.

It connects some pieces I was told about SS coming back.

As amazing as it is to say, it now seems like it was right place, right time for that to happen. I spotted Satterfield at CFA in Boone on New Year's Eve last year in an FIU shirt but at the time thought nothing of it. Three days later the whispers about him being brough back came up. I also heard that Cobb heard SS was in town, asked Jerry if he could get him back and Jerry said yes. I always had my suspicions that it was a vacation turned into a business trip and now with the Bill Stewart revelation I'm now convinced.

[bcoach]

This is the problem, Dubs...there are people in this board who think Coach Moore gets to decide this, not his bosses. They also seem oblivious to the idea that email has replaced printed letters as the standard form of inter-office communication. I'm amazed they are even able to operate a computer in such a way that enables them to locate this message board.

Here is what neither of you understand. There was an offer made at the beginning of the year that was going to terminate the contract. When that happened and the decision was made that he would get one more year and then done, ANY manager with 3 minutes of experience would have drafted an agreement and had both sides sign it. I am not surprised that you can ONLY find e-mail and a messahe board. When you get in the real world you will find that there is a difference between an inter-office communication and an agreement.

[appst89]

This is the problem, Dubs...there are people in this board who think Coach Moore gets to decide this, not his bosses. They also seem oblivious to the idea that email has replaced printed letters as the standard form of inter-office communication. I'm amazed they are even able to operate a computer in such a way that enables them to locate this message board.

Here is what neither of you understand. There was an offer made at the beginning of the year that was going to terminate the contract. When that happened and the decision was made that he would get one more year and then done, ANY manager with 3 minutes of experience would have drafted an agreement and had both sides sign it. I am not surprised that you can ONLY find e-mail and a messahe board. When you get in the real world you will find that there is a difference between an inter-office communication and an agreement.

The difference here is that there was already a contract in place that was expiring at the end of this year. Nothing more needed to be drafted or signed. It was already in place.

[bcoach]

This is the problem, Dubs...there are people in this board who think Coach Moore gets to decide this, not his bosses. They also seem oblivious to the idea that email has replaced printed letters as the standard form of inter-office communication. I'm amazed they are even able to operate a computer in such a way that enables them to locate this message board.

Here is what neither of you understand. There was an offer made at the beginning of the year that was going to terminate the contract. When that happened and the decision was made that he would get one more year and then done, ANY manager with 3 minutes of experience would have drafted an agreement and had both sides sign it. I am not surprised that you can ONLY find e-mail and a messahe board. When you get in the real world you will find that there is a difference between an inter-office communication and an agreement.

The difference here is that there was already a contract in place that was expiring at the end of this year. Nothing more needed to be drafted or signed. It was already in place.

I understand what you are saying but due to that meeting the smart thing to do is put the agreement in writing and have both parties sign it. The e-mail and meeting to follow made it the prudent thing to draw up an agreement. You have to remember that he was going to be fired and they agreed to let him go one more year. If it were in writing and both parties signed it we would not be here right now. If there were no e-mail and meeting that would be one thing. The contract expired and not renewed which is still the case. The e-mail and meeting changed things. An agreement should have been drawn up and signed by both sides. Yes it is all legal that he is done but by not doing what should have been done then we are where we are now. I am not arguing for coaches job. I am only saying that if you are going to run an organization like this you have to wrap things up and not leave them to future problems.

[GlassOnion]

Oh... This is still going on is it?



I have a very good source that tells me that Cobb and Moore's meeting yesterday to discuss a PR strategy to end the current media crisis was also attended by a fat woman.

[appgrad]

This is the problem, Dubs...there are people in this board who think Coach Moore gets to decide this, not his bosses. They also seem oblivious to the idea that email has replaced printed letters as the standard form of inter-office communication. I'm amazed they are even able to operate a computer in such a way that enables them to locate this message board.

Here is what neither of you understand. There was an offer made at the beginning of the year that was going to terminate the contract. When that happened and the decision was made that he would get one more year and then done, ANY manager with 3 minutes of experience would have drafted an agreement and had both sides sign it. I am not surprised that you can ONLY find e-mail and a messahe board. When you get in the real world you will find that there is a difference between an inter-office communication and an agreement.

The difference here is that there was already a contract in place that was expiring at the end of this year. Nothing more needed to be drafted or signed. It was already in place.

I understand what you are saying but due to that meeting the smart thing to do is put the agreement in writing and have both parties sign it. The e-mail and meeting to follow made it the prudent thing to draw up an agreement. You have to remember that he was going to be fired and they agreed to let him go one more year. If it were in writing and both parties signed it we would not be here right now. If there were no e-mail and meeting that would be one thing. The contract expired and not renewed which is still the case. The e-mail and meeting changed things. An agreement should have been drawn up and signed by both sides. Yes it is all legal that he is done but by not doing what should have been done then we are where we are now. I am not arguing for coaches job. I am only saying that if you are going to run an organization like this you have to wrap things up and not leave them to future problems.

Ummm...you can't read. Nowhere in those emails does it say he was going to be terminated. He was going to be paid a salary to work for the University for 3 more years in a different role. Once that was off the table, nothing more needed to be done. You think it needed to be put in writing because it would make you feel better, but it serves no purpose for the situation at hand.

[bcoach]

This is the problem, Dubs...there are people in this board who think Coach Moore gets to decide this, not his bosses. They also seem oblivious to the idea that email has replaced printed letters as the standard form of inter-office communication. I'm amazed they are even able to operate a computer in such a way that enables them to locate this message board.

Here is what neither of you understand. There was an offer made at the beginning of the year that was going to terminate the contract. When that happened and the decision was made that he would get one more year and then done, ANY manager with 3 minutes of experience would have drafted an agreement and had both sides sign it. I am not surprised that you can ONLY find e-mail and a messahe board. When you get in the real world you will find that there is a difference between an inter-office communication and an agreement.

The difference here is that there was already a contract in place that was expiring at the end of this year. Nothing more needed to be drafted or signed. It was already in place.

I understand what you are saying but due to that meeting the smart thing to do is put the agreement in writing and have both parties sign it. The e-mail and meeting to follow made it the prudent thing to draw up an agreement. You have to remember that he was going to be fired and they agreed to let him go one more year. If it were in writing and both parties signed it we would not be here right now. If there were no e-mail and meeting that would be one thing. The contract expired and not renewed which is still the case. The e-mail and meeting changed things. An agreement should have been drawn up and signed by both sides. Yes it is all legal that he is done but by not doing what should have been done then we are where we are now. I am not arguing for coaches job. I am only saying that if you are going to run an organization like this you have to wrap things up and not leave them to future problems.

Ummm...you can't read. Nowhere in those emails does it say he was going to be terminated. He was going to be paid a salary to work for the University for 3 more years in a different role. Once that was off the table, nothing more needed to be done. You think it needed to be put in writing because it would make you feel better, but it serves no purpose for the situation at hand.

I can read and in addition I can comprehend which is where you may have a problem. But you just don't understand the real world. He was being terminated as head coach. It makes no difference at all what he was being offered after that. If it was done properly we would not be where we are now having to put together our next PR move. It is just that plain and simple. Here is a way to end this silly bantering back and forth. Go consult an HR expert and ask how they would have done this. Make sure they have all the facts that have been presented. I am pretty sure they will agree with what I have learned in 45 years of business.