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Re: Who would you like as the next Head Coach?

Unread post by 87ASUgrad » Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:02 am

Ditto...above. Satterfield named HC soon = that is what I want for an "early" Christmas.
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Re: Who would you like as the next Head Coach?

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cbarrier90 wrote: Scott Satterfield played QB at Appalachian and, after working his way up in the assistant coach ranks, became OC and QB coach where he guided the program through its best days, 2005-2007 and worked with QBs like Richie Williams and some guy named Armanti Edwards.

He then moved on to the FBS where, after a stint at Toledo, he joined the young coaching staff at FIU where, after years of losing under Mario Cristobal, the Golden Panthers went to back-to-back bowl games including a Sun Belt championship. He also worked with a great playmaker and another NFL product, WR T.Y. Hilton. This year, the first after Satterfield's departure, FIU fired Cristobal after a disappointing 3-9 season.

Satterfield came back home to ASU to find a proud program under a cloud of uncertainty after a sexual assault scandal, numerous player suspensions and dismissals, a young roster, a SoCon title streak ended, a stagnant offense, and consistent disappointment in the playoffs. In his FIRST season, Satterfield took the ASU spread back to the top of the SoCon and one of the more feared offenses in the FCS. Under his watch, role players like Tony Washington, Andrew Peacock, and Steven Miller blossomed into stars. Sean Price became the best freshman WR in the history of the FCS. The ASU swagger of the old days was back. Most importantly, despite youth, injuries, and a tough conference, ASU won the Southern Conference once again, and is poised to be even better next year.

Capel had exactly one year of coaching experience AT ANY LEVEL when he was hired, and "beat out" assistant Matt McMahon who was basically the Scott Satterfield for ASU basketball. The hire was questionable and unsupported from the get-go. Capel's biggest achievement was making Ike Butts a serviceable big man in 2009.

In the future, please refrain from comparing a possible Satterfield hire to the Capel hire.
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Re: Who would you like as the next Head Coach?

Unread post by kiddbrewer » Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:08 am

cbarrier90 wrote:
Kgfish wrote:
AppinATL wrote:
Appst1 wrote:
AppinATL wrote:Report: @winthegame gets App State head coach job. Look for FBS invite to follow. And a true spread option QB signee after that. #SunBelt

Very interesting, but pardon my ignorance...who is this Bennett guy tweeting this? I hope he's correct on all counts.
I only want the Sun Belt if GSU comes and somehow we are playing ECU and Marshall.

As for the HC job how is SS resume better than Horton? Horton is the best man for the job and by taking him we will also keep SS. If Scott is the pick then I guess the rumors about there being a deal are true, which Scott and Charlie said there was no deal. Meaning they lied.

We need to know when those assistants were given long-term deals. Had Cobb signed them after or around the time he sent Moore the letters to stack the deck for Scott? Have to wonder about that and if so and it was a sham HC search then I have lost the respect I gained for Charlie that what he said was true. Shame on Cobb for the sham interviews if this is the case. We have a lot of top boosters and people on the BOT who will be asking questions if there is ever proof this was likely a sham.
You are making some pretty big assumptions. How is it a given that if we hire Horton, Satterfield will stay? You can't know that. Also, if Satterfield is the pick, that does not necessarily mean there was a guaranteed deal last year. Maybe Horton wants more money than we can afford to pay. Maybe Horton is offered but decides he's better off where he is...you don't know any of this stuff. Why do people like you see conspiracies behind every door?
After the Capelgate how can you not expect people to be suspicious? Look at the time line of these contracts. We know Scott didn't come on board for at least a month AFTER Cobb met with Moore in December to lay out the plans for 2012 to be his last year. Very few assistant coaches are given multi year contracts. This thing has all the appearances of a plan by Cobb to make Scott the coach from the get go.
Scott Satterfield played QB at Appalachian and, after working his way up in the assistant coach ranks, became OC and QB coach where he guided the program through its best days, 2005-2007 and worked with QBs like Richie Williams and some guy named Armanti Edwards.

He then moved on to the FBS where, after a stint at Toledo, he joined the young coaching staff at FIU where, after years of losing under Mario Cristobal, the Golden Panthers went to back-to-back bowl games including a Sun Belt championship. He also worked with a great playmaker and another NFL product, WR T.Y. Hilton. This year, the first after Satterfield's departure, FIU fired Cristobal after a disappointing 3-9 season.

Satterfield came back home to ASU to find a proud program under a cloud of uncertainty after a sexual assault scandal, numerous player suspensions and dismissals, a young roster, a SoCon title streak ended, a stagnant offense, and consistent disappointment in the playoffs. In his FIRST season, Satterfield took the ASU spread back to the top of the SoCon and one of the more feared offenses in the FCS. Under his watch, role players like Tony Washington, Andrew Peacock, and Steven Miller blossomed into stars. Sean Price became the best freshman WR in the history of the FCS. The ASU swagger of the old days was back. Most importantly, despite youth, injuries, and a tough conference, ASU won the Southern Conference once again, and is poised to be even better next year.

Capel had exactly one year of coaching experience AT ANY LEVEL when he was hired, and "beat out" assistant Matt McMahon who was basically the Scott Satterfield for ASU basketball. The hire was questionable and unsupported from the get-go. Capel's biggest achievement was making Ike Butts a serviceable big man in 2009.

In the future, please refrain from comparing a possible Satterfield hire to the Capel hire.
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Re: Who would you like as the next Head Coach?

Unread post by Kgfish » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:27 am

cbarrier90 wrote:
Kgfish wrote:
AppinATL wrote:
Appst1 wrote:
AppinATL wrote:Report: @winthegame gets App State head coach job. Look for FBS invite to follow. And a true spread option QB signee after that. #SunBelt

Very interesting, but pardon my ignorance...who is this Bennett guy tweeting this? I hope he's correct on all counts.
I only want the Sun Belt if GSU comes and somehow we are playing ECU and Marshall.

As for the HC job how is SS resume better than Horton? Horton is the best man for the job and by taking him we will also keep SS. If Scott is the pick then I guess the rumors about there being a deal are true, which Scott and Charlie said there was no deal. Meaning they lied.

We need to know when those assistants were given long-term deals. Had Cobb signed them after or around the time he sent Moore the letters to stack the deck for Scott? Have to wonder about that and if so and it was a sham HC search then I have lost the respect I gained for Charlie that what he said was true. Shame on Cobb for the sham interviews if this is the case. We have a lot of top boosters and people on the BOT who will be asking questions if there is ever proof this was likely a sham.
You are making some pretty big assumptions. How is it a given that if we hire Horton, Satterfield will stay? You can't know that. Also, if Satterfield is the pick, that does not necessarily mean there was a guaranteed deal last year. Maybe Horton wants more money than we can afford to pay. Maybe Horton is offered but decides he's better off where he is...you don't know any of this stuff. Why do people like you see conspiracies behind every door?
After the Capelgate how can you not expect people to be suspicious? Look at the time line of these contracts. We know Scott didn't come on board for at least a month AFTER Cobb met with Moore in December to lay out the plans for 2012 to be his last year. Very few assistant coaches are given multi year contracts. This thing has all the appearances of a plan by Cobb to make Scott the coach from the get go.
Scott Satterfield played QB at Appalachian and, after working his way up in the assistant coach ranks, became OC and QB coach where he guided the program through its best days, 2005-2007 and worked with QBs like Richie Williams and some guy named Armanti Edwards.

He then moved on to the FBS where, after a stint at Toledo, he joined the young coaching staff at FIU where, after years of losing under Mario Cristobal, the Golden Panthers went to back-to-back bowl games including a Sun Belt championship. He also worked with a great playmaker and another NFL product, WR T.Y. Hilton. This year, the first after Satterfield's departure, FIU fired Cristobal after a disappointing 3-9 season.

Satterfield came back home to ASU to find a proud program under a cloud of uncertainty after a sexual assault scandal, numerous player suspensions and dismissals, a young roster, a SoCon title streak ended, a stagnant offense, and consistent disappointment in the playoffs. In his FIRST season, Satterfield took the ASU spread back to the top of the SoCon and one of the more feared offenses in the FCS. Under his watch, role players like Tony Washington, Andrew Peacock, and Steven Miller blossomed into stars. Sean Price became the best freshman WR in the history of the FCS. The ASU swagger of the old days was back. Most importantly, despite youth, injuries, and a tough conference, ASU won the Southern Conference once again, and is poised to be even better next year.

Capel had exactly one year of coaching experience AT ANY LEVEL when he was hired, and "beat out" assistant Matt McMahon who was basically the Scott Satterfield for ASU basketball. The hire was questionable and unsupported from the get-go. Capel's biggest achievement was making Ike Butts a serviceable big man in 2009.

In the future, please refrain from comparing a possible Satterfield hire to the Capel hire.
Good job of ignoring all the facts that relate to the issue being discussed. I don’t recall saying Scott doesn't love ASU, didn't do a good job last year, or he doesn't have any experience. Some of you need to get emotion out of the way and concentrate on the facts. The recently released communications from Cobb to Peacock clearly show Scott wasn't even in the conversation when it was determined new blood needed to be injected into the ASU staff. Scott approached Cobb about coming back, not the other way around. Scott wanted out of FIU badly and there indications FIU wanted him out just as much. He did not like living in south Florida and some have said he was about to give up coaching just to get back to NC.

When you apply the time line and the fact some assistant coaches were given extended contracts that no new coach coming in from the outside would accept, it is abundantly clear things have been put into place to ensure Scott is retained. I find that very disturbing. It has NOTHING to do with Scott personally, although I do have some questions. Will Scott be able to make the tough decisions about a coordinator, who Scott was previously in business with building homes on the side that has presided over the slow erosion of our defense? If it is true about him almost giving up coaching less than 12 months ago, is he the guy to lead our program? Most importantly, did 3 years experience at low level, non successful FBS programs give Scott what it takes to lead the program into FBS? Why Cobb manipulated this incredibly important hire rather than seek out the best candidate is the biggest question of all.
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Re: Who would you like as the next Head Coach?

Unread post by ASUMountaineer » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:50 am

cbarrier90 wrote:
Kgfish wrote:
AppinATL wrote:
Appst1 wrote:
AppinATL wrote:
I only want the Sun Belt if GSU comes and somehow we are playing ECU and Marshall.

As for the HC job how is SS resume better than Horton? Horton is the best man for the job and by taking him we will also keep SS. If Scott is the pick then I guess the rumors about there being a deal are true, which Scott and Charlie said there was no deal. Meaning they lied.

We need to know when those assistants were given long-term deals. Had Cobb signed them after or around the time he sent Moore the letters to stack the deck for Scott? Have to wonder about that and if so and it was a sham HC search then I have lost the respect I gained for Charlie that what he said was true. Shame on Cobb for the sham interviews if this is the case. We have a lot of top boosters and people on the BOT who will be asking questions if there is ever proof this was likely a sham.
You are making some pretty big assumptions. How is it a given that if we hire Horton, Satterfield will stay? You can't know that. Also, if Satterfield is the pick, that does not necessarily mean there was a guaranteed deal last year. Maybe Horton wants more money than we can afford to pay. Maybe Horton is offered but decides he's better off where he is...you don't know any of this stuff. Why do people like you see conspiracies behind every door?
After the Capelgate how can you not expect people to be suspicious? Look at the time line of these contracts. We know Scott didn't come on board for at least a month AFTER Cobb met with Moore in December to lay out the plans for 2012 to be his last year. Very few assistant coaches are given multi year contracts. This thing has all the appearances of a plan by Cobb to make Scott the coach from the get go.
Scott Satterfield played QB at Appalachian and, after working his way up in the assistant coach ranks, became OC and QB coach where he guided the program through its best days, 2005-2007 and worked with QBs like Richie Williams and some guy named Armanti Edwards.

He then moved on to the FBS where, after a stint at Toledo, he joined the young coaching staff at FIU where, after years of losing under Mario Cristobal, the Golden Panthers went to back-to-back bowl games including a Sun Belt championship. He also worked with a great playmaker and another NFL product, WR T.Y. Hilton. This year, the first after Satterfield's departure, FIU fired Cristobal after a disappointing 3-9 season.

Satterfield came back home to ASU to find a proud program under a cloud of uncertainty after a sexual assault scandal, numerous player suspensions and dismissals, a young roster, a SoCon title streak ended, a stagnant offense, and consistent disappointment in the playoffs. In his FIRST season, Satterfield took the ASU spread back to the top of the SoCon and one of the more feared offenses in the FCS. Under his watch, role players like Tony Washington, Andrew Peacock, and Steven Miller blossomed into stars. Sean Price became the best freshman WR in the history of the FCS. The ASU swagger of the old days was back. Most importantly, despite youth, injuries, and a tough conference, ASU won the Southern Conference once again, and is poised to be even better next year.

Capel had exactly one year of coaching experience AT ANY LEVEL when he was hired, and "beat out" assistant Matt McMahon who was basically the Scott Satterfield for ASU basketball. The hire was questionable and unsupported from the get-go. Capel's biggest achievement was making Ike Butts a serviceable big man in 2009.

In the future, please refrain from comparing a possible Satterfield hire to the Capel hire.
Good job of ignoring all the facts that relate to the issue being discussed. I don’t recall saying Scott doesn't love ASU, didn't do a good job last year, or he doesn't have any experience. Some of you need to get emotion out of the way and concentrate on the facts. The recently released communications from Cobb to Peacock clearly show Scott wasn't even in the conversation when it was determined new blood needed to be injected into the ASU staff. Scott approached Cobb about coming back, not the other way around. Scott wanted out of FIU badly and there indications FIU wanted him out just as much. He did not like living in south Florida and some have said he was about to give up coaching just to get back to NC.

When you apply the time line and the fact some assistant coaches were given extended contracts that no new coach coming in from the outside would accept, it is abundantly clear things have been put into place to ensure Scott is retained. I find that very disturbing. It has NOTHING to do with Scott personally, although I do have some questions. Will Scott be able to make the tough decisions about a coordinator, who Scott was previously in business with building homes on the side that has presided over the slow erosion of our defense? If it is true about him almost giving up coaching less than 12 months ago, is he the guy to lead our program? Most importantly, did 3 years experience at low level, non successful FBS programs give Scott what it takes to lead the program into FBS? Assuming I'm correct, why Cobb manipulated this incredibly important hire rather than seek out the best candidate is the biggest question of all.
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Scott Satterfield played QB at Appalachian and, after working his way up in the assistant coach ranks, became OC and QB coach where he guided the program through its best days, 2005-2007 and worked with QBs like Richie Williams and some guy named Armanti Edwards.
It is my understanding that we worked under the "OC by committee" approach at that time. Am I mistaken?

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Kgfish wrote:
Good job of ignoring all the facts that relate to the issue being discussed. I don’t recall saying Scott doesn't love ASU, didn't do a good job last year, or he doesn't have any experience. Some of you need to get emotion out of the way and concentrate on the facts. The recently released communications from Cobb to Peacock clearly show Scott wasn't even in the conversation when it was determined new blood needed to be injected into the ASU staff. Scott approached Cobb about coming back, not the other way around. Scott wanted out of FIU badly and there indications FIU wanted him out just as much. He did not like living in south Florida and some have said he was about to give up coaching just to get back to NC.

When you apply the time line and the fact some assistant coaches were given extended contracts that no new coach coming in from the outside would accept, it is abundantly clear things have been put into place to ensure Scott is retained. I find that very disturbing. It has NOTHING to do with Scott personally, although I do have some questions. Will Scott be able to make the tough decisions about a coordinator, who Scott was previously in business with building homes on the side that has presided over the slow erosion of our defense? If it is true about him almost giving up coaching less than 12 months ago, is he the guy to lead our program? Most importantly, did 3 years experience at low level, non successful FBS programs give Scott what it takes to lead the program into FBS? Why Cobb manipulated this incredibly important hire rather than seek out the best candidate is the biggest question of all.
You started your argument with "After the Capelgate how can you not expect people to be suspicious?" The two hires could not be further apart.

I could care less what FBS experience Tim Horton has. You mean taking a national title contender last year in Arkansas and turning it into a dumpster fire? FBS experience doesn't automatically translate to success. Scott Satterfield has won everywhere he goes, and I believe he's the right guy for the job. Remove te interim tag and let's get this show on the road.

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Unread post by cbarrier90 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:57 am

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Scott Satterfield played QB at Appalachian and, after working his way up in the assistant coach ranks, became OC and QB coach where he guided the program through its best days, 2005-2007 and worked with QBs like Richie Williams and some guy named Armanti Edwards.
It is my understanding that we worked under the "OC by committee" approach at that time. Am I mistaken?
I thought that was only the post-Satterfield era but I could be mistaken.

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cbarrier90 wrote:
appthunder90 wrote:
cbarrier90 wrote:
Scott Satterfield played QB at Appalachian and, after working his way up in the assistant coach ranks, became OC and QB coach where he guided the program through its best days, 2005-2007 and worked with QBs like Richie Williams and some guy named Armanti Edwards.
It is my understanding that we worked under the "OC by committee" approach at that time. Am I mistaken?
I thought that was only the post-Satterfield era but I could be mistaken.
I am unsure as well, but I had always heard that it was the "holy triumvirate" (SS, Lonnie, and Jerry) calling the plays or some other combination.

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cbarrier90 wrote:
Kgfish wrote:
Good job of ignoring all the facts that relate to the issue being discussed. I don’t recall saying Scott doesn't love ASU, didn't do a good job last year, or he doesn't have any experience. Some of you need to get emotion out of the way and concentrate on the facts. The recently released communications from Cobb to Peacock clearly show Scott wasn't even in the conversation when it was determined new blood needed to be injected into the ASU staff. Scott approached Cobb about coming back, not the other way around. Scott wanted out of FIU badly and there indications FIU wanted him out just as much. He did not like living in south Florida and some have said he was about to give up coaching just to get back to NC.

When you apply the time line and the fact some assistant coaches were given extended contracts that no new coach coming in from the outside would accept, it is abundantly clear things have been put into place to ensure Scott is retained. I find that very disturbing. It has NOTHING to do with Scott personally, although I do have some questions. Will Scott be able to make the tough decisions about a coordinator, who Scott was previously in business with building homes on the side that has presided over the slow erosion of our defense? If it is true about him almost giving up coaching less than 12 months ago, is he the guy to lead our program? Most importantly, did 3 years experience at low level, non successful FBS programs give Scott what it takes to lead the program into FBS? Why Cobb manipulated this incredibly important hire rather than seek out the best candidate is the biggest question of all.
You started your argument with "After the Capelgate how can you not expect people to be suspicious?" The two hires could not be further apart.

I could care less what FBS experience Tim Horton has. You mean taking a national title contender last year in Arkansas and turning it into a dumpster fire? FBS experience doesn't automatically translate to success. Scott Satterfield has won everywhere he goes, and I believe he's the right guy for the job. Remove te interim tag and let's get this show on the road.
Care to explain how Horton turned Arkansas into a dumpster fire? Sounds like you have an axe to grind for some reason...

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cbarrier90 wrote:
Kgfish wrote:
Good job of ignoring all the facts that relate to the issue being discussed. I don’t recall saying Scott doesn't love ASU, didn't do a good job last year, or he doesn't have any experience. Some of you need to get emotion out of the way and concentrate on the facts. The recently released communications from Cobb to Peacock clearly show Scott wasn't even in the conversation when it was determined new blood needed to be injected into the ASU staff. Scott approached Cobb about coming back, not the other way around. Scott wanted out of FIU badly and there indications FIU wanted him out just as much. He did not like living in south Florida and some have said he was about to give up coaching just to get back to NC.

When you apply the time line and the fact some assistant coaches were given extended contracts that no new coach coming in from the outside would accept, it is abundantly clear things have been put into place to ensure Scott is retained. I find that very disturbing. It has NOTHING to do with Scott personally, although I do have some questions. Will Scott be able to make the tough decisions about a coordinator, who Scott was previously in business with building homes on the side that has presided over the slow erosion of our defense? If it is true about him almost giving up coaching less than 12 months ago, is he the guy to lead our program? Most importantly, did 3 years experience at low level, non successful FBS programs give Scott what it takes to lead the program into FBS? Why Cobb manipulated this incredibly important hire rather than seek out the best candidate is the biggest question of all.
You started your argument with "After the Capelgate how can you not expect people to be suspicious?" The two hires could not be further apart.

I could care less what FBS experience Tim Horton has. You mean taking a national title contender last year in Arkansas and turning it into a dumpster fire? FBS experience doesn't automatically translate to success. Scott Satterfield has won everywhere he goes, and I believe he's the right guy for the job. Remove te interim tag and let's get this show on the road.
Of course you don't care about Horton's FBS experience. You care less about how the new coach is selected as long as it is the guy you want. That is the method that gave us Capel. Thank you for making my point. What you should want is a more honest and open process of selecting coaches for ASU.
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Kgfish wrote:
cbarrier90 wrote:
Kgfish wrote:
Good job of ignoring all the facts that relate to the issue being discussed. I don’t recall saying Scott doesn't love ASU, didn't do a good job last year, or he doesn't have any experience. Some of you need to get emotion out of the way and concentrate on the facts. The recently released communications from Cobb to Peacock clearly show Scott wasn't even in the conversation when it was determined new blood needed to be injected into the ASU staff. Scott approached Cobb about coming back, not the other way around. Scott wanted out of FIU badly and there indications FIU wanted him out just as much. He did not like living in south Florida and some have said he was about to give up coaching just to get back to NC.

When you apply the time line and the fact some assistant coaches were given extended contracts that no new coach coming in from the outside would accept, it is abundantly clear things have been put into place to ensure Scott is retained. I find that very disturbing. It has NOTHING to do with Scott personally, although I do have some questions. Will Scott be able to make the tough decisions about a coordinator, who Scott was previously in business with building homes on the side that has presided over the slow erosion of our defense? If it is true about him almost giving up coaching less than 12 months ago, is he the guy to lead our program? Most importantly, did 3 years experience at low level, non successful FBS programs give Scott what it takes to lead the program into FBS? Why Cobb manipulated this incredibly important hire rather than seek out the best candidate is the biggest question of all.
You started your argument with "After the Capelgate how can you not expect people to be suspicious?" The two hires could not be further apart.

I could care less what FBS experience Tim Horton has. You mean taking a national title contender last year in Arkansas and turning it into a dumpster fire? FBS experience doesn't automatically translate to success. Scott Satterfield has won everywhere he goes, and I believe he's the right guy for the job. Remove te interim tag and let's get this show on the road.
Of course you don't care about Horton's FBS experience. You care less about how the new coach is selected as long as it is the guy you want. That is the method that gave us Capel. Thank you for making my point. What you should want is a more honest and open process of selecting coaches for ASU.
There are many rumors involving boosters and the like as to how Capel ended up with that job over some of the candidates. Capel wasn't qualified to be a head coach, nevermind a Division I head coach. He had practically no resume', only a name. That's the difference between the two coaching hires.

It's not about having an axe to grind. I think Satterfield is the best available guy for the job. He has won here, and he turned a lowly program in the Sun Belt into a winner, which, oh by the way, is the conference in which we will be playing if we make the move to FBS.

I honestly don't know much about Tim Horton, but it seems like the only reason you're championing him is because he coached the RBs at an SEC school. Sure, that makes for a great resume' and if he ends up getting the job I'll fully support it, but give me the guy who is familiar with the program and has a proven track record of success here.

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cbarrier90 wrote:
Kgfish wrote:
cbarrier90 wrote:
Kgfish wrote:
Good job of ignoring all the facts that relate to the issue being discussed. I don’t recall saying Scott doesn't love ASU, didn't do a good job last year, or he doesn't have any experience. Some of you need to get emotion out of the way and concentrate on the facts. The recently released communications from Cobb to Peacock clearly show Scott wasn't even in the conversation when it was determined new blood needed to be injected into the ASU staff. Scott approached Cobb about coming back, not the other way around. Scott wanted out of FIU badly and there indications FIU wanted him out just as much. He did not like living in south Florida and some have said he was about to give up coaching just to get back to NC.

When you apply the time line and the fact some assistant coaches were given extended contracts that no new coach coming in from the outside would accept, it is abundantly clear things have been put into place to ensure Scott is retained. I find that very disturbing. It has NOTHING to do with Scott personally, although I do have some questions. Will Scott be able to make the tough decisions about a coordinator, who Scott was previously in business with building homes on the side that has presided over the slow erosion of our defense? If it is true about him almost giving up coaching less than 12 months ago, is he the guy to lead our program? Most importantly, did 3 years experience at low level, non successful FBS programs give Scott what it takes to lead the program into FBS? Why Cobb manipulated this incredibly important hire rather than seek out the best candidate is the biggest question of all.
You started your argument with "After the Capelgate how can you not expect people to be suspicious?" The two hires could not be further apart.

I could care less what FBS experience Tim Horton has. You mean taking a national title contender last year in Arkansas and turning it into a dumpster fire? FBS experience doesn't automatically translate to success. Scott Satterfield has won everywhere he goes, and I believe he's the right guy for the job. Remove te interim tag and let's get this show on the road.
Of course you don't care about Horton's FBS experience. You care less about how the new coach is selected as long as it is the guy you want. That is the method that gave us Capel. Thank you for making my point. What you should want is a more honest and open process of selecting coaches for ASU.
There are many rumors involving boosters and the like as to how Capel ended up with that job over some of the candidates. Capel wasn't qualified to be a head coach, nevermind a Division I head coach. He had practically no resume', only a name. That's the difference between the two coaching hires.

It's not about having an axe to grind. I think Satterfield is the best available guy for the job. He has won here, and he turned a lowly program in the Sun Belt into a winner, which, oh by the way, is the conference in which we will be playing if we make the move to FBS.

I honestly don't know much about Tim Horton, but it seems like the only reason you're championing him is because he coached the RBs at an SEC school. Sure, that makes for a great resume' and if he ends up getting the job I'll fully support it, but give me the guy who is familiar with the program and has a proven track record of success here.
Horton coached ss at app...

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Re: Who would you like as the next Head Coach?

Unread post by Appst1 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:42 pm

appthunder90 wrote:
cbarrier90 wrote:
Kgfish wrote:
cbarrier90 wrote:
Kgfish wrote:
Good job of ignoring all the facts that relate to the issue being discussed. I don’t recall saying Scott doesn't love ASU, didn't do a good job last year, or he doesn't have any experience. Some of you need to get emotion out of the way and concentrate on the facts. The recently released communications from Cobb to Peacock clearly show Scott wasn't even in the conversation when it was determined new blood needed to be injected into the ASU staff. Scott approached Cobb about coming back, not the other way around. Scott wanted out of FIU badly and there indications FIU wanted him out just as much. He did not like living in south Florida and some have said he was about to give up coaching just to get back to NC.

When you apply the time line and the fact some assistant coaches were given extended contracts that no new coach coming in from the outside would accept, it is abundantly clear things have been put into place to ensure Scott is retained. I find that very disturbing. It has NOTHING to do with Scott personally, although I do have some questions. Will Scott be able to make the tough decisions about a coordinator, who Scott was previously in business with building homes on the side that has presided over the slow erosion of our defense? If it is true about him almost giving up coaching less than 12 months ago, is he the guy to lead our program? Most importantly, did 3 years experience at low level, non successful FBS programs give Scott what it takes to lead the program into FBS? Why Cobb manipulated this incredibly important hire rather than seek out the best candidate is the biggest question of all.
You started your argument with "After the Capelgate how can you not expect people to be suspicious?" The two hires could not be further apart.

I could care less what FBS experience Tim Horton has. You mean taking a national title contender last year in Arkansas and turning it into a dumpster fire? FBS experience doesn't automatically translate to success. Scott Satterfield has won everywhere he goes, and I believe he's the right guy for the job. Remove te interim tag and let's get this show on the road.
Of course you don't care about Horton's FBS experience. You care less about how the new coach is selected as long as it is the guy you want. That is the method that gave us Capel. Thank you for making my point. What you should want is a more honest and open process of selecting coaches for ASU.
There are many rumors involving boosters and the like as to how Capel ended up with that job over some of the candidates. Capel wasn't qualified to be a head coach, nevermind a Division I head coach. He had practically no resume', only a name. That's the difference between the two coaching hires.

It's not about having an axe to grind. I think Satterfield is the best available guy for the job. He has won here, and he turned a lowly program in the Sun Belt into a winner, which, oh by the way, is the conference in which we will be playing if we make the move to FBS.

I honestly don't know much about Tim Horton, but it seems like the only reason you're championing him is because he coached the RBs at an SEC school. Sure, that makes for a great resume' and if he ends up getting the job I'll fully support it, but give me the guy who is familiar with the program and has a proven track record of success here.
Horton coached ss at app...
I'll chime in. I have several points.

1. His entire argument for SS goes out the tube because he said he doesn't know much about Horton.

2. As you said Horton coached SS.

3. Horton has put more players in the NFL in one year than Scott has in his entire coaching career.

4. Horton never put Arkansas in trouble. He kept their recruiting class together and brought in stud players despite the fact he had BP as HC and many recruits did not like him.

5. He has been retained by TWO HCs following the HC who actually brought him in because of his recruiting connections, ties to Arkansas, and the fact he is a great position coach and coordinator.

6. When SS was here during the NC run it was a committee and to be honest there are rumors that last year Moore injected calls during games overriding Scott at times. We had some drives that baffled me with playcalling so I would like to know were those calls made by Moore or Scott.

7. Scott has not yet been in the BCS and Horton has been a key staff member of a BCS program who has been ranked in the top 10 in the nation several times while there.

8. Horton was an OC at Air Force and has put players in NFL camps as well as done a great job with his positions while at App State, Kansas State, Air Force, and Arkansas.

9. Scott is not quite as outgoing as Horton and I think he could learn from someone like Horton to firm up his resume more and learn some things from someone who was his coach.

I love Scott and I think he will make a good head coach one day but his resume is nowhere near Horton at this point. Scott needs more time. I don't want him going anywhere and if Horton is hired Scott will stay. Scott was going to be Horton's choice when he got a HC position.

The ENTIRE issue here is that we need to know when those assistants were signed to multi-year deals because if they were done during the time that Cobb approached Scott or shortly after we have an issue. If so, then the deck was stacked in Scott's favor instead of finding the right coach for the job. You can't compare Scott to Capel in terms of their resumes and coaching experience but the possible under handed way Cobb made this hire, if it is Scott, can be compared to the stuff that went on with Capel.

Those who are against anyone but Scott Satterfield need to talk to ASU alumni who were here when Horton was and those who played for Horton. He's the real deal and has the better resume.

With all of this said if Cobb did stack the deck then we know Cobb lied so I think we then need all written communication between him and Scott to make sure Scott did not know about this. If SS knew then he lied and who would want him as our HC at that point.

Again, this should have nothing to do with who any of us want as HC, even though I think Horton is the better choice. This has SOLELY to do with the fact that it appears Cobb stacked the deck making this HC search a sham and if our AD is going to conduct sham searches for a HC, I think most of us will agree he needs to go so we can have an AD who will conduct legit and thorough searches to get the best candidate possible. If there is a better candidate than Horton or Scott I want that man. I simply want the best man for the job and a legit and thorough search instead of the apparent sham search that has possibly happened.

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Re: Who would you like as the next Head Coach?

Unread post by AppinATL » Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:07 pm

Whatever guys...here is what Football Scoop is reporting as of Thursday afternoon (today):

App State (FCS): Sources tell us the offensive coordinator Scott Satterfield will be named head coach (announcement likely tomorrow).

They seem to be pretty reliable.

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Re: Who would you like as the next Head Coach?

Unread post by mtnjax » Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:32 pm

Rivals site just posted a story saying the announcement will be made tomorrow and it is Satterfield

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Re: Who would you like as the next Head Coach?

Unread post by T-Dog » Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:36 pm

It's time to stop breaking down each candidate because you like another more.

We should all be elated for Scott getting his dream job. Going from walk-on quarterback all the way to head coach is quite the story and he will need all the support he can get to heal a fractured fan base.

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Re: Who would you like as the next Head Coach?

Unread post by moehler » Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:47 pm

happy as hell SS got the job. He was the best man for the job ,and deserved the position.

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Re: Who would you like as the next Head Coach?

Unread post by Appersrule » Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:27 pm

Horton coached ss at app...[/quote]

I'll chime in. I have several points.

1. His entire argument for SS goes out the tube because he said he doesn't know much about Horton.

2. As you said Horton coached SS.

3. Horton has put more players in the NFL in one year than Scott has in his entire coaching career.

4. Horton never put Arkansas in trouble. He kept their recruiting class together and brought in stud players despite the fact he had BP as HC and many recruits did not like him.

5. He has been retained by TWO HCs following the HC who actually brought him in because of his recruiting connections, ties to Arkansas, and the fact he is a great position coach and coordinator.

6. When SS was here during the NC run it was a committee and to be honest there are rumors that last year Moore injected calls during games overriding Scott at times. We had some drives that baffled me with playcalling so I would like to know were those calls made by Moore or Scott.

7. Scott has not yet been in the BCS and Horton has been a key staff member of a BCS program who has been ranked in the top 10 in the nation several times while there.

8. Horton was an OC at Air Force and has put players in NFL camps as well as done a great job with his positions while at App State, Kansas State, Air Force, and Arkansas.

9. Scott is not quite as outgoing as Horton and I think he could learn from someone like Horton to firm up his resume more and learn some things from someone who was his coach.

I love Scott and I think he will make a good head coach one day but his resume is nowhere near Horton at this point. Scott needs more time. I don't want him going anywhere and if Horton is hired Scott will stay. Scott was going to be Horton's choice when he got a HC position.

The ENTIRE issue here is that we need to know when those assistants were signed to multi-year deals because if they were done during the time that Cobb approached Scott or shortly after we have an issue. If so, then the deck was stacked in Scott's favor instead of finding the right coach for the job. You can't compare Scott to Capel in terms of their resumes and coaching experience but the possible under handed way Cobb made this hire, if it is Scott, can be compared to the stuff that went on with Capel.

Those who are against anyone but Scott Satterfield need to talk to ASU alumni who were here when Horton was and those who played for Horton. He's the real deal and has the better resume.

With all of this said if Cobb did stack the deck then we know Cobb lied so I think we then need all written communication between him and Scott to make sure Scott did not know about this. If SS knew then he lied and who would want him as our HC at that point.

Again, this should have nothing to do with who any of us want as HC, even though I think Horton is the better choice. This has SOLELY to do with the fact that it appears Cobb stacked the deck making this HC search a sham and if our AD is going to conduct sham searches for a HC, I think most of us will agree he needs to go so we can have an AD who will conduct legit and thorough searches to get the best candidate possible. If there is a better candidate than Horton or Scott I want that man. I simply want the best man for the job and a legit and thorough search instead of the apparent sham search that has possibly happened.[/quote]

Thanks for writing a book. Maybe you should submit it to Arkansas and you can be Tim Horten's agent. In other news, apparently this argument should be thrown our the window as Scott will be named our coach tomorrow.

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Re: Who would you like as the next Head Coach?

Unread post by cbarrier90 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:54 pm

Appst1 wrote:
I'll chime in. I have several points.

1. His entire argument for SS goes out the tube because he said he doesn't know much about Horton.
Yeah, well, I got rep points out of it... :lol:

Both candidates would be great, and if true, I am stoked for the Satterfield era.

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