Personal Attacks, Profanity, Name Calling

[appst89]

Coach Moore was not fired.

He is, and should be free to do whatever he wishes. What he chooses to do will have an impact on his legacy in Boone. Maybe it shouldn't, but it will.

[Watauga72]

First, want to say that this board is so much more civil and comfortable than appfan, so thanks to those who monitor it and post here for keeping it that way.

Coach Moore obviously did not think he was ready to retire. Wish that he had taken the offer to work for ASU in another capacity, but apparently that will not happen. If UNC-C feels that he brings something positive to their still non-existant football powerhouse, good for them...hope it fulfills his need to be active in football. Still want to kick their butts everytime we can!

[Rekdiver]

Agreed he is free to do whatever he wants to but he got offered a sweetheart deal to stay with us, tried an end run and got stuffed. I'm still having a hard time seeing how he could be a fund raiser for any team other than ASU? JM is nothing at another school. No history.......... While his legacy to some may not be tarnished in any way.....what happens if he continues to keep this fire burning? Ask any professional ball player and they will tell you " I disagree that its time for me to retire ( or be cut) but I understand it's part of the business......." Financially at 73 I hope he saved some money, he has state retirement I believe and associated health care plus medicare and social security. And if has taked the deal for th Yosef Club to pay him $100,000 k for 3 years he'd have it beyond made. A poor reaching analogy but Benedict Arnold was the continental Army's favorite officer until he decided to trun against them. Don't make a hasty decision in anger Jerry that will destroy what you took 24 years to build. I'm moving on to recruiting and coaching hires.....All positive subjects!

[JCline0429]

Coach Moore was not fired.

He is, and should be free to do whatever he wishes. What he chooses to do will have an impact on his legacy in Boone. Maybe it shouldn't, but it will.

Semantics. He was forced to retire as football coach. That is a euphemism for being fired.

[appst89]

Coach Moore was not fired.

He is, and should be free to do whatever he wishes. What he chooses to do will have an impact on his legacy in Boone. Maybe it shouldn't, but it will.

Semantics. He was forced to retire as football coach. That is a euphemism for being fired.

As you so often say, in your opinion.

[JCline0429]

Coach Moore was not fired.

He is, and should be free to do whatever he wishes. What he chooses to do will have an impact on his legacy in Boone. Maybe it shouldn't, but it will.

Semantics. He was forced to retire as football coach. That is a euphemism for being fired.

As you so often say, in your opinion.

Ask anyone who works for the Employment Security Commission. According to them, a person forced to resign can draw unemployment compensation. They usually have to appeal, but it can be done and often is. I have a close friend who has had to endure the appeal when she had to pressure an employee to resign instead of out-right firing. Normally a resignation does not warrant compensation, but a forced or pressured resignation does. Even though Moore had only a one year contract, his career with the state involved full retirement at age 30. The fact that JM was offered another position outside of coaching, would complicate matters but not prohibit him from a satisfactory outcome as far as unemployment compensation was concerned.

I also worked part time forESC when I first started in insurance. I would say that ESC's definition of forced resignation as being equivalent to firing trumps either of our defintion of firing. We are saved by the fact that Jerry can make more as retired even though he will get a reduced benefit than drawingUnemplyment compensation. The consequence is that his career with the state will virtually be over. He could work as a contracted employee as opposed to to be on permanent contract.
In short, it is equivalent to firing. Jerry did not have a choice except to take a position outside of coaching.

[appst89]

Coach Moore was not fired.

He is, and should be free to do whatever he wishes. What he chooses to do will have an impact on his legacy in Boone. Maybe it shouldn't, but it will.

Semantics. He was forced to retire as football coach. That is a euphemism for being fired.

As you so often say, in your opinion.

Ask anyone who works for the Employment Security Commission. According to them, a person forced to resign can draw unemployment compensation. They usually have to appeal, but it can be done and often is. I have a close friend who has had to endure the appeal when she had to pressure an emplyee to resign instead of out-right firing. Normally a resignation does not warrant compensation, but a forced or pressured resignation does. Even though Moore had only a one year contract, his career with the state involved full retirement at age 30. The fact that JM was offered another position outside of coaching, would complicate matters but not prohibit him from a satisfactory outcome as far as unemployment compensation was concerned.

I also worked part time forESC when I first started in insurance.

I've been through more NCESC hearings and appeals than I care to remember. I wouldn't use unemployment eligibility as a gauge for anything. I've had people who voluntarily resigned win appeals to collect unemployment.

No one was forced to resign. The contract simply was not renewed. We're not going to agree on this so why don't we just let it go?

[AppinVA]

Wants more personal attacks, profanity and name calling.

[JCline0429]

Coach Moore was not fired.

He is, and should be free to do whatever he wishes. What he chooses to do will have an impact on his legacy in Boone. Maybe it shouldn't, but it will.

Semantics. He was forced to retire as football coach. That is a euphemism for being fired.

As you so often say, in your opinion.

Ask anyone who works for the Employment Security Commission. According to them, a person forced to resign can draw unemployment compensation. They usually have to appeal, but it can be done and often is. I have a close friend who has had to endure the appeal when she had to pressure an emplyee to resign instead of out-right firing. Normally a resignation does not warrant compensation, but a forced or pressured resignation does. Even though Moore had only a one year contract, his career with the state involved full retirement at age 30. The fact that JM was offered another position outside of coaching, would complicate matters but not prohibit him from a satisfactory outcome as far as unemployment compensation was concerned.

I also worked part time forESC when I first started in insurance.

I've been through more NCESC hearings and appeals than I care to remember. I wouldn't use unemployment eligibility as a gauge for anything. I've had people who voluntarily resigned win appeals to collect unemployment.

No one was forced to resign. The contract simply was not renewed. We're not going to agree on this so why don't we just let it go?

Let's put it this way, if you were him, I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut that you would consider it having been fired. Legalese or not.

[AppGrad78]

If you took 100 people who had no knowledge of coach Moore's situation, laid out the parameters, and then asked them to characterized this person's dismissal, 99 would say he had been fired. It puzzles me why so many people prefer a euphemism.

[bcoach]

The coach has not been retained. He can go wherever he wants. Why does anyone feel they should be able to restrict his movements? I will say one more time that it was mishandled by both side and I really doubt that anyone here has any insider info.

[GlassOnion]

What difference does whether he was fired make?

Jerry Moore wasnt doing a good job. His staff was festering, and Charlie Cobb had to do Moore's job and fix it, there is the whole son thing, he failed recruiting, the program was taking massive hits from off the field problems, what more justification do Cobb and Peacock need? No other coach in the nation would have survived that.

Then, when the administration does something completely within their rights, and something they TRIED to do respectfully and with grace, letting Jerry exit with class and dignity, and even asking him to remain at the university with a $100,000 a year no responsibility job, Jerry Moore starts a media campaign telling multiple news outlets that he was "blindsided," and that he had no idea it was his last year, which we all know is complete garbage.

What a load of bull. And so is the Jerry Moore Legacy Refurbishment Program going on here, with month old newsclippings that someone must have dug up from their compost heap. Lets move on. Someone said theyre tired of people dancing on Jerry's dead career, well stop wheeling the casket onto the dancefloor.

[bcoach]

No I'm not fine with him going to UNCC or any school we may play. If he wants to go back to Texas that's fine if that was part of his plan. I honestly don't see any benefit for any school hiring him. One year at UNCC would destroy his relationship with the majority of fans at ASU. He'd be a fool. What jerry needs to do is get on a christian speakers circuit and play golf and talk to player parents. Who makes up this stuff about UNCC anyway? If there is another black and gold knitted hat with beer labels sewed into it and that is not you then I apologize for the trolling remark. I stand by my remarks that his legacy will be determined by what he does going forward. I'd love for him to come back to a stadium full of fans and graciously accept our appreciation and allow something to be named for him.
It's his choice, but I'm telling you...if he messes with the program he's done.

Just curious, but what give us fans the right to dictate what Coach Moore can and can't do for the rest of his life? What he "needs" to do is whatever he wants to do. We have no right to put any kind of conditions over how this man can live his life. So many fans find it unacceptable when he acts human and expresses his displeasure with is firing and at the same time want to dictate how he can live the remainder of his live. We fired him. End of story. I wish him well in whatever he chooses to do even if that includes coaching at another school that we play. He gave his all for our school and I am grateful for that and all that our football teams accomplished during his time. His legacy will not be tarnished for me by anything he does after we fired him. When people get hurt they often don't act appropriately, its just human nature and I won't hold him to any higher standard then I hold the rest of humanity. We need to appreciate what he has done and let him live out the rest of his life the way he sees fit.

You are way too rational for this place.

[JCline0429]

The coach has not been retained. He can go wherever he wants. Why does anyone feel they should be able to restrict his movements? I will say one more time that it was mishandled by both side and I really doubt that anyone here has any insider info.

Right ,we didn't blame much of our former staff for leaving last summer to take positions at WCU and we didn't blame Coach Satterfield for leaving to go to Toledo and FIU (or wherever it was); but somehow many on here begrudge or even ridicule him for considering going somewhere else to finish what he may consider the rest of his career. It's like a girlfriend who dumps a guy but doesn't want anyone else to have him.

[JCline0429]

If you took 100 people who had no knowledge of coach Moore's situation, laid out the parameters, and then asked them to characterized this person's dismissal, 99 would say he had been fired. It puzzles me why so many people prefer a euphemism.

Exactly, Charlie.

[JCline0429]

Coach Moore was not fired.

He is, and should be free to do whatever he wishes. What he chooses to do will have an impact on his legacy in Boone. Maybe it shouldn't, but it will.

Was Sparky's legacy at ASU affected by a significant extent when he chose to take the head coaching position at USC or from there to various assistant jobs, and ultimately to VMI?

[appst89]

Coach Moore was not fired.

He is, and should be free to do whatever he wishes. What he chooses to do will have an impact on his legacy in Boone. Maybe it shouldn't, but it will.

Was Sparky's legacy at ASU affected by a significant extent when he chose to take the head coaching position at USC or from there to various assistant jobs, and ultimately to VMI?

Seriously? Just let it go.

[JCline0429]

Coach Moore was not fired.

He is, and should be free to do whatever he wishes. What he chooses to do will have an impact on his legacy in Boone. Maybe it shouldn't, but it will.

Was Sparky's legacy at ASU affected by a significant extent when he chose to take the head coaching position at USC or from there to various assistant jobs, and ultimately to VMI?

Seriously? Just let it go.

I was just speaking to the ones who wish to discuss it further. They don't seem to mind. But, you're the mod, you can stop the thread anytime you wish, needless to say.

[ASUPATCH]

Ok lets put the word "fired" to rest once and for all. If you worked at say Walmart as the butcher and your boss said we want to get someone we thing is a better butcher but you can still work as a greeter(Job CC offered to JM for 100k). You then look at your boss and say no thank you. To me that is quiting. Now I am not saying JM is a quitter. Far from it. But it wasnt fired. Good now that arguement is over.

[MountainMan]

This thread just cracks me up.

It starts out as a plea for less personal attacks and name calling, and for more civility, and before it gets started good, it TURNS INTO a thread of personal attacks, name calling, and arguments about the same old argument that has ALREADY been beaten to death for the last month. You gotta admit, that's pretty clever.