An Actual Football Discussion

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Re: An Actual Football Discussion

Unread post by ASUGoose » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:27 pm

GlassOnion wrote:
ASUGoose wrote:Good comments by all about the offense and defense sides of the ball. I think all of the comments pretty much sum up where we will be on those sides of the ball.

I am more interested to see what changes will be made on special teams. Satt made it a big point once he got the nod for the HC that we are going to be a lot more aggressive on special teams. I think this area for App State has been a huge hole in our overall team success. There is no reason why we shouldn't be dominating all FCS teams on special teams as we are consistently getting the best talent year in a year out. I think Satt sees this as a huge opportunity for improvement. We should be the VA Tech of FCS as it relates to special teams and I think we now have a head coach who realizes the positive impact this will have on the offense and defense.
Maybe we'll have a fake punt/fg play in the book for once? :lol:

HAHAHAHAA! APPsolutely! I seriously can't remember the last time we had one!

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Re: An Actual Football Discussion

Unread post by GlassOnion » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:33 pm

ASUGoose wrote:
GlassOnion wrote:
ASUGoose wrote:Good comments by all about the offense and defense sides of the ball. I think all of the comments pretty much sum up where we will be on those sides of the ball.

I am more interested to see what changes will be made on special teams. Satt made it a big point once he got the nod for the HC that we are going to be a lot more aggressive on special teams. I think this area for App State has been a huge hole in our overall team success. There is no reason why we shouldn't be dominating all FCS teams on special teams as we are consistently getting the best talent year in a year out. I think Satt sees this as a huge opportunity for improvement. We should be the VA Tech of FCS as it relates to special teams and I think we now have a head coach who realizes the positive impact this will have on the offense and defense.
Maybe we'll have a fake punt/fg play in the book for once? :lol:

HAHAHAHAA! APPsolutely! I seriously can't remember the last time we had one!
Thanks Goose,
I'll be sitting here tonight by the fireside, sippig my mulled cider, dreaming of trick plays with a Satterfield twist, and a 100% 4th down conversion rate. :D

That is, if any team can keep our offense from converting on 3rd...

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Re: An Actual Football Discussion

Unread post by TheMoody1 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:13 pm

GlassOnion wrote:Maybe we'll have a fake punt/fg play in the book for once? :lol:

And maybe we wont get burned by the fake punt/fg play by every opponent that tries.

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Re: An Actual Football Discussion

Unread post by fjblair » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:49 pm

As others said backup QB is a big question. We need a solid #2 and not try to do it by committee. It seems like we have had to utilize the #2 for a game or two almost every season lately.

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:52 pm

"The right side is another story, its completely open."

RG = Alex Acey
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Re: An Actual Football Discussion

Unread post by GlassOnion » Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:20 pm

WVAPPeer wrote:"The right side is another story, its completely open."

RG = Alex Acey
Possibly. He is now having to fight back from his 2nd injury, against an upgraded group of linemen. Acey will probably have to be head and shoulders better than every other option at LG to win the spot back. If he is just equal, the start should go to the guy with the bigger frame, who hasnt been injured twice in 2 years.

We desperately need to field an OL that can make it from Aug. to Jan.

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Re: An Actual Football Discussion

Unread post by mtnjax » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:05 pm

Just for kicks, lets post what we think the starting lineups will look like

Basically, the only change on offense from last year is RB. I think we go with the OL that we finished with last year which was Lamm, Counts, Fisher, Lee, and Corbin IIRC. and i think Dufort takes back over at RT when he returns

Defense:

DE - Blair
NT - Harris
DE - Deuce

OLB - Frazier
ILB - Law
ILB - McGowan
OLB - Gilchrist or Norwood

CB - Blackmon
SS/FS - Middleton
SS/FS - Gray
CB - Lott

and a surprise pick.....

KR - Lee Wright

Thought more on it, I think they keep Alex Gray at safety and he and Middleton can play either FS or SS. Middleton may be the FS with his coverage skills. Lee Wright could get a legit look a returns as his highlights included plenty of that and he looks good

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Unread post by GlassOnion » Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:38 am

Middleton and Gray, we'd be very large at the safety spots. Middleton has CB speed, cant wait to see Gray.

Still think Harris is unlikely at NT though. He's going to have to get much nastier IMO.

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Re: An Actual Football Discussion

Unread post by mtnjax » Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:11 am

GlassOnion wrote:Middleton and Gray, we'd be very large at the safety spots. Middleton has CB speed, cant wait to see Gray.

Still think Harris is unlikely at NT though. He's going to have to get much nastier IMO.
That secondary would be large in general. Gray is 6'3, Middleton and Lott 6'1 and Blackmon 6'

I guess i just keep thinking about Harris' size and he would be more suited at the NT than DE. He ideally is a 4-3 DT and compared to who our DE's look to be (blair, deuce, hall, and singleton), that NT spot fits him more to me

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Unread post by GlassOnion » Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:39 am

He looks the part, but he'll be going up against 3 guys that spent time at the NT last year, and all three showed some promise. All three are also prime size for a NT, about 6'3 300. Milhouse will be about the same weight as Harris, but 290 is a lot different on a 6'3 guy than a 6'6 guy. More bulk on a lower center of gravity.

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Re: An Actual Football Discussion

Unread post by mtnjax » Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:21 pm

GlassOnion wrote:He looks the part, but he'll be going up against 3 guys that spent time at the NT last year, and all three showed some promise. All three are also prime size for a NT, about 6'3 300. Milhouse will be about the same weight as Harris, but 290 is a lot different on a 6'3 guy than a 6'6 guy. More bulk on a lower center of gravity.
True. regardless of where they all end up, i think we have a lot of (young) depth on the DL and we'll see a good amount of rotation to keep them fresh. Darian Small comes into the mix this year too since he was a RS and he should also be in that 6'2-6'3 300 lb range

spring practice needs to start so we can get some reports and see how the new defensive system is implemented. 4/13 and 4/20 can't here soon enough so I can see the new look Mountaineers in action

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Re: An Actual Football Discussion

Unread post by Inside ASU » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:39 pm

There is at least one player on this starter list that will NOT be starting much less playing come fall...unfortunate but the exact thing that was not being said grace over in the past....is now and is being enforced.

....It will be interesting to see the response to Sat's stance when this all comes out!

For me...I say go Sat!

As Pryor would say: We will see!

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Re: An Actual Football Discussion

Unread post by AppRy » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:48 am

asumike83 wrote:
Gonzo wrote:Rushing wise, we don't have a Devon Moore any more, but we have enough talent to get what we need on the ground, especially if Jackson is healthy enough to keep the ball. I've been told several times that you can put just about any decent RB in our scheme and they'll get the yards. Holloway looks like a big H back type guy. I'd like to see one of these star-studded new comers come in and offer some good speed. Having a Steven Miller in space is dangerous. We also need a RB that can run a good wheel route. We all love it when Satterfield calls that play. I don't recall it ever not resulting in a touchdown.
I think Marcus Cox has the ability to fill that role for us alongside Holloway. He was a RB/WR combo in high school and should be very dangerous as a receiving threat out of the backfield. Upshaw could be in the mix as well. Going to be a very fun team to watch!
Don't forget about Eric Davidson as a second option behind Holloway. For an extra bit of speed I could see Sumler coming out of the backfield like LSU used to do with Trindon holliday and Cobb was doing for GB this year.

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Re: An Actual Football Discussion

Unread post by GlassOnion » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:22 am

Well, we were going to have one of the biggest secondaries in the socon...

Georgia Southern just moved a starting LB to safety. 6'3 230. I think this is the guy they claimed was running a 4.3 last year. Theyre nuts, of course, but I bet the kid is still plenty fast for a safety.

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Re: An Actual Football Discussion

Unread post by mtnjax » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:56 am

Inside ASU wrote:There is at least one player on this starter list that will NOT be starting much less playing come fall...unfortunate but the exact thing that was not being said grace over in the past....is now and is being enforced.

....It will be interesting to see the response to Sat's stance when this all comes out!

For me...I say go Sat!

As Pryor would say: We will see!
Well isn't this just great...as long as it isn't someone that could keep A certain starter from last year from seeing the field

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Unread post by GlassOnion » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:19 am

Blaylock will be a major contributor this year, maybe not starter, but contributor. His PT will just depend on down, distance and opponent. I have the confidence that Woody will maximize what we get from ALL of our players.

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Unread post by moehler » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:06 am

if everyone is healthy, Woody is going to have alot of talent and debth in the secondary. He can be creative and aggressive, more corner blitzes etc. I think its the second strongest unit on the team behind the wide receiver corp, just hope they can stay healthy, I cant remember a unit more desamated with injuries, sickness last year.

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Re: An Actual Football Discussion

Unread post by GlassOnion » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:38 am

Id say the secondary is tied in second with the DL.

I know the DL had some issues last year, but considering 2 starters, and almost all depth were true or RS freshmen, they performed fairly well. We went from no depth and 2 of 3 new starters last year, to 7 guys with starting experience on the line. All have great size. Blair and Robinson are Jrs, Bronson, Burns and Harris have all been here 2 years, and have alot of PT. Milhouse will be a stud. We should see alot of improvement from last year to this, especially with some nice coaching changes. I think Robinson takes care of our inability to get to the QB last year, and I think he does it almost immediately, and that will really help Blair's production.

Success absolutely hinges on our LB corps. The one place we havent had a worry about in a decade. Hows that for a change?

I think Frazier, Law and Norwood start. If Karl Anderson had stayed, I think we'd have that last spot nailed down, and even a bit of depth.
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Re: An Actual Football Discussion

Unread post by AppStateNews » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:47 am

GlassOnion wrote:I think Frazier, Law and Norwood start. If Cougar Norris had stayed, I think we'd have that last spot nailed down, and even a bit of depth.
I'm assuming you mean Karl Anderson and not Cougar Norris?
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Re: An Actual Football Discussion

Unread post by GlassOnion » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:47 am

AppStateCentral wrote:
GlassOnion wrote:I think Frazier, Law and Norwood start. If Cougar Norris had stayed, I think we'd have that last spot nailed down, and even a bit of depth.
I'm assuming you mean Karl Anderson and not Cougar Norris?
Yes! Thank you. I'll change that.

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