Hugo Chavez dead at 58

[JCline0429]

I'm just not a member of the blame America First crowd. If Cuba's health care system is so great, why did Castro (Fidel) go out of the country several years ago for treatment?
There's not much you can tell me about the CIA. My first cousin will have in 30 years in 2014 and another cousin has already retired after 30. Believe me, they have a hell of a lot more to do than keep tabs on Cuba's infant mortality rates, and such.

I assume Fidel found better care is why he left. Pointing out that we are not #1 in everything does not make one a blame America First. And stating that Cuba leads us in certain things that I find important does not mean that Cuba has all the answers and is leading the world in this or any other area. Not realizing the US as a country has problems, and that sometimes, maybe many times, looking around at other countries might give us an answer and our lack of doing such would be a bigger concern to me than being concerned about whom is blaming America First.

If the CIA is not keeping tabs on the Cuba infant mortality rates, then why are they publishing the numbers? Maybe they are keeping tabs on this very thing, it may not be priority #1, but the CIA has a huge budget, so I am sure they are getting it done with some reasonable correctness. Either that or the CIA and your family members are lying to us. And far be it from me to blame and accuse the gov't of lying to us citizens. And though you and I don't generally agree on much in the way of politics I would like to think you are trustworthy and not prone to deceit and that could and should be extended to your family members as well. So I accept the CIA in this case.

The allusion to the "Blame America First Club is the jist of what you have been saying along on the old MMB. (You and ggerg among a few others).

I am very much offended that you imply that my family members have been lying to me. Sure the CIA has a huge budget but what the heck has that got to do with the price of tea in China? (pardon the use of my grandfather's adage). I never said that the CIA hasn't tabulated the the infant mortality rates in Cuba and a few other countries; but that is an extremely low priority in the overall scheme of things.

One of the keys to the infant mortality rate is that the US and Cuba consider that rate differently. For a period of time in the not too distant past, Cuba was pretty much only counting the still-born as mortalities. IMOP, the millions of abortions since Roe v Wade should be counted as infant mortality. But of course, you have called most of those deaths fetuses and I consider them as pre-born babies. But I admit that's just me.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

I'm just not a member of the blame America First crowd. If Cuba's health care system is so great, why did Castro (Fidel) go out of the country several years ago for treatment?
There's not much you can tell me about the CIA. My first cousin will have in 30 years in 2014 and another cousin has already retired after 30. Believe me, they have a hell of a lot more to do than keep tabs on Cuba's infant mortality rates, and such.

I assume Fidel found better care is why he left. Pointing out that we are not #1 in everything does not make one a blame America First. And stating that Cuba leads us in certain things that I find important does not mean that Cuba has all the answers and is leading the world in this or any other area. Not realizing the US as a country has problems, and that sometimes, maybe many times, looking around at other countries might give us an answer and our lack of doing such would be a bigger concern to me than being concerned about whom is blaming America First.

If the CIA is not keeping tabs on the Cuba infant mortality rates, then why are they publishing the numbers? Maybe they are keeping tabs on this very thing, it may not be priority #1, but the CIA has a huge budget, so I am sure they are getting it done with some reasonable correctness. Either that or the CIA and your family members are lying to us. And far be it from me to blame and accuse the gov't of lying to us citizens. And though you and I don't generally agree on much in the way of politics I would like to think you are trustworthy and not prone to deceit and that could and should be extended to your family members as well. So I accept the CIA in this case.

The allusion to the "Blame America First Club is the jist of what you have been saying along on the old MMB. (You and ggerg among a few others).

I am very much offended that you imply that my family members have been lying to me. Sure the CIA has a huge budget but what the heck has that got to do with the price of tea in China? (pardon the use of my grandfather's adage). I never said that the CIA hasn't tabulated the the infant mortality rates in Cuba and a few other countries; but that is an extremely low priority in the overall scheme of things.

One of the keys to the infant mortality rate is that the US and Cuba consider that rate differently. For a period of time in the not too distant past, Cuba was pretty much only counting the still-born as mortalities. IMOP, the millions of abortions since Roe v Wade should be counted as infant mortality. But of course, you have called most of those deaths fetuses and I consider them as pre-born babies. But I admit that's just me.

I never implied your family in the CIA are liars. You are the one to suggest that the numbers are cooked by Cuba. I raise the issue the numbers are also from the CIA. You raise the issue you have family in the CIA. I stated I tend to trust these numbers from the CIA. If you feel like you can't trust them nothing I can do about that. Here is my quote that you replied to

"And though you and I don't generally agree on much in the way of politics I would like to think you are trustworthy and not prone to deceit and that could and should be extended to your family members as well. So I accept the CIA in this case."

I thought I went out of my way not to disparage you or your family members. But if you are offended, then you are offended. I am not the first person to do that to you on this or the previous board. All I can say is that was not my intention, and you can accept or stay offended. Your call.

As far as Cuba counting differently and abortions. Do you have any sources on how they used to county the numbers differently? That would be news to me. If the US did count abortions the numbers would be even higher for us. As far as fetuses, it is not just me that calls them that. That is the scientific word for that stage of development. And I did not invent the word. I looked it up on line at a reputable site and its first use was in the 14th century.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fetus

People have a right to not be in favor of aborting fetuses, but this is a case of "it is what it is" (as much as I don't care for that saying.) Personally I am not overly fond of abortions but it beats the pre-Roe v Wade days in this country. And I would prefer the abortion be of the embryo before it becomes a fetus, but a fetus early in development is still not a viable life outside of the womb.

[JCline0429]

I'm just not a member of the blame America First crowd. If Cuba's health care system is so great, why did Castro (Fidel) go out of the country several years ago for treatment?
There's not much you can tell me about the CIA. My first cousin will have in 30 years in 2014 and another cousin has already retired after 30. Believe me, they have a hell of a lot more to do than keep tabs on Cuba's infant mortality rates, and such.

I assume Fidel found better care is why he left. Pointing out that we are not #1 in everything does not make one a blame America First. And stating that Cuba leads us in certain things that I find important does not mean that Cuba has all the answers and is leading the world in this or any other area. Not realizing the US as a country has problems, and that sometimes, maybe many times, looking around at other countries might give us an answer and our lack of doing such would be a bigger concern to me than being concerned about whom is blaming America First.

If the CIA is not keeping tabs on the Cuba infant mortality rates, then why are they publishing the numbers? Maybe they are keeping tabs on this very thing, it may not be priority #1, but the CIA has a huge budget, so I am sure they are getting it done with some reasonable correctness. Either that or the CIA and your family members are lying to us. And far be it from me to blame and accuse the gov't of lying to us citizens. And though you and I don't generally agree on much in the way of politics I would like to think you are trustworthy and not prone to deceit and that could and should be extended to your family members as well. So I accept the CIA in this case.

The allusion to the "Blame America First Club is the jist of what you have been saying along on the old MMB. (You and ggerg among a few others).

I am very much offended that you imply that my family members have been lying to me. Sure the CIA has a huge budget but what the heck has that got to do with the price of tea in China? (pardon the use of my grandfather's adage). I never said that the CIA hasn't tabulated the the infant mortality rates in Cuba and a few other countries; but that is an extremely low priority in the overall scheme of things.

One of the keys to the infant mortality rate is that the US and Cuba consider that rate differently. For a period of time in the not too distant past, Cuba was pretty much only counting the still-born as mortalities. IMOP, the millions of abortions since Roe v Wade should be counted as infant mortality. But of course, you have called most of those deaths fetuses and I consider them as pre-born babies. But I admit that's just me.

I never implied your family in the CIA are liars. You are the one to suggest that the numbers are cooked by Cuba. I raise the issue the numbers are also from the CIA. You raise the issue you have family in the CIA. I stated I tend to trust these numbers from the CIA. If you feel like you can't trust them nothing I can do about that. Here is my quote that you replied to

"And though you and I don't generally agree on much in the way of politics I would like to think you are trustworthy and not prone to deceit and that could and should be extended to your family members as well. So I accept the CIA in this case."

I thought I went out of my way not to disparage you or your family members. But if you are offended, then you are offended. I am not the first person to do that to you on this or the previous board. All I can say is that was not my intention, and you can accept or stay offended. Your call.

As far as Cuba counting differently and abortions. Do you have any sources on how they used to county the numbers differently? That would be news to me. If the US did count abortions the numbers would be even higher for us. As far as fetuses, it is not just me that calls them that. That is the scientific word for that stage of development. And I did not invent the word. I looked it up on line at a reputable site and its first use was in the 14th century.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fetus

People have a right to not be in favor of aborting fetuses, but this is a case of "it is what it is" (as much as I don't care for that saying.) Personally I am not overly fond of abortions but it beats the pre-Roe v Wade days in this country. And I would prefer the abortion be of the embryo before it becomes a fetus, but a fetus early in development is still not a viable life outside of the womb.

Your exact words: "Either that or the CIA and your family members are lying to us." The way I read that, you are definitely implying that my family members could be lying. You have insulted me me many times, but when you start insulting my family members, it is end of the discussion for me.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

I'm just not a member of the blame America First crowd. If Cuba's health care system is so great, why did Castro (Fidel) go out of the country several years ago for treatment?
There's not much you can tell me about the CIA. My first cousin will have in 30 years in 2014 and another cousin has already retired after 30. Believe me, they have a hell of a lot more to do than keep tabs on Cuba's infant mortality rates, and such.

I assume Fidel found better care is why he left. Pointing out that we are not #1 in everything does not make one a blame America First. And stating that Cuba leads us in certain things that I find important does not mean that Cuba has all the answers and is leading the world in this or any other area. Not realizing the US as a country has problems, and that sometimes, maybe many times, looking around at other countries might give us an answer and our lack of doing such would be a bigger concern to me than being concerned about whom is blaming America First.

If the CIA is not keeping tabs on the Cuba infant mortality rates, then why are they publishing the numbers? Maybe they are keeping tabs on this very thing, it may not be priority #1, but the CIA has a huge budget, so I am sure they are getting it done with some reasonable correctness. Either that or the CIA and your family members are lying to us. And far be it from me to blame and accuse the gov't of lying to us citizens. And though you and I don't generally agree on much in the way of politics I would like to think you are trustworthy and not prone to deceit and that could and should be extended to your family members as well. So I accept the CIA in this case.

The allusion to the "Blame America First Club is the jist of what you have been saying along on the old MMB. (You and ggerg among a few others).

I am very much offended that you imply that my family members have been lying to me. Sure the CIA has a huge budget but what the heck has that got to do with the price of tea in China? (pardon the use of my grandfather's adage). I never said that the CIA hasn't tabulated the the infant mortality rates in Cuba and a few other countries; but that is an extremely low priority in the overall scheme of things.

One of the keys to the infant mortality rate is that the US and Cuba consider that rate differently. For a period of time in the not too distant past, Cuba was pretty much only counting the still-born as mortalities. IMOP, the millions of abortions since Roe v Wade should be counted as infant mortality. But of course, you have called most of those deaths fetuses and I consider them as pre-born babies. But I admit that's just me.

I never implied your family in the CIA are liars. You are the one to suggest that the numbers are cooked by Cuba. I raise the issue the numbers are also from the CIA. You raise the issue you have family in the CIA. I stated I tend to trust these numbers from the CIA. If you feel like you can't trust them nothing I can do about that. Here is my quote that you replied to

"And though you and I don't generally agree on much in the way of politics I would like to think you are trustworthy and not prone to deceit and that could and should be extended to your family members as well. So I accept the CIA in this case."

I thought I went out of my way not to disparage you or your family members. But if you are offended, then you are offended. I am not the first person to do that to you on this or the previous board. All I can say is that was not my intention, and you can accept or stay offended. Your call.

As far as Cuba counting differently and abortions. Do you have any sources on how they used to county the numbers differently? That would be news to me. If the US did count abortions the numbers would be even higher for us. As far as fetuses, it is not just me that calls them that. That is the scientific word for that stage of development. And I did not invent the word. I looked it up on line at a reputable site and its first use was in the 14th century.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fetus

People have a right to not be in favor of aborting fetuses, but this is a case of "it is what it is" (as much as I don't care for that saying.) Personally I am not overly fond of abortions but it beats the pre-Roe v Wade days in this country. And I would prefer the abortion be of the embryo before it becomes a fetus, but a fetus early in development is still not a viable life outside of the womb.

Your exact words: "Either that or the CIA and your family members are lying to us." The way I read that, you are definitely implying that my family members could be lying. You have insulted me me many times, but when you start insulting my family members, it is end of the discussion for me.

Nice use of selective quotes. I noticed you did not add the rest of the comment,
"I would like to think you are trustworthy and not prone to deceit and that could and should be extended to your family members as well. So I accept the CIA in this case."

I do think you are guilty of misquoting me, but I am a big enough person to not be offended. We are all guilty of that at times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of ... of_context

There are two basic options here, either the CIA is lying or they are not. I stated the two options then I went on to state I was not accusing the CIA or by extension your family members of a lie. I don't know how I can be any clearer. Me stating the two options does not imply I was calling anyone out for a lie, in fact I went out of my way to include a few sentences to make sure you knew I was not calling anyone a liar on this particular topic.

It is amazing to me you call me out for calling your family a liar. You are the one that does not believe the numbers the CIA have reported. I do believe the numbers. Why would I call them out as a liar in that case. That would be illogical and stupid on my part. As big as the CIA is I would assume your family members had nothing to do with Cuba and certainly not the infant mortality rate to begin with.

I would apologize for offending you, but I really don't know what I could have said any better to make my point. So if I were to apologize it would be rather meaningless.

[appdaze]

McLeansville, don't get sucked in to his endless banter. He gets offended by basically anything and then throws a hissy fit about it, we've all seen it. It was like that on the old board and this one. It doesn't matter if its an obvious joke, a serious statement, a light hearted comment, or an inside joke between you and a friend...he will find some reason to be offended.

[Kgfish]

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/05/3 ... -dead.html

Hugo Chavez is dead at age 58. Chavez appointed his own successor and puppet--a 54 year-old high school grad and former bus driver. This should be a different kind of challenge for John Kerry's State Dept.

BTW, wonder if Michael Moore still wants to receive his health care in Cuba?

Good riddance! The world is a better place without this wacko.

[Michael Martin]

I clicked this thread fully expecting to read at least a few posts that were bats**t crazy, insanely offensive, or some combination of the first two options.

I found none of the above.

You're all going soft.