Fall camp

[WataugaMan]

For God's sake I hope they are practicing something besides right up the middle on 3rd and short and 4th and short. That was extremely predictable last season and bit us in rear several times. Back to back plays a couple of those times.

I believe with Frank Ponce as OC that type play calling on 3rd/4th and short will be shelved.

[311neers]

For God's sake I hope they are practicing something besides right up the middle on 3rd and short and 4th and short. That was extremely predictable last season and bit us in rear several times. Back to back plays a couple of those times.

I believe with Frank Ponce as OC that type play calling on 3rd/4th and short will be shelved.

I didn’t think Barbay was calling those either.

[WataugaMan]

For God's sake I hope they are practicing something besides right up the middle on 3rd and short and 4th and short. That was extremely predictable last season and bit us in rear several times. Back to back plays a couple of those times.

I believe with Frank Ponce as OC that type play calling on 3rd/4th and short will be shelved.

I didn’t think Barbay was calling those either.

Hopefully the Micromanagement will be shelved.

[T-Dog]

The holding out of several RB's at today's scrimmage is concerning.

[AppStateNews]

The holding out of several RB's at today's scrimmage is concerning.

Most are just routine bumps, bruises, and fatigue that aren't needed to risk greater injury.. not all, but most.

[appstate77]

Im more concerned about the defense as it is frequently described by SC as "starting slowly". This could be a problem from game one. BEAT G-WEBB!

[AppStateNews]

Im more concerned about the defense as it is frequently described by SC as "starting slowly". This could be a problem from game one. BEAT G-WEBB!

I wouldn't put too much thought into that yet. If it's happening during game weeks, yeah, that is a big concern. I know for an absolute fact both Ponce and Sloan like to put their players in positions that are guaranteed to fail to see how they react. It helps with film, it helps with coachable moments, it lets the coaches get to know a players abilities more, etc.

I obviously don't know for sure if that is what is happening here, but I would guess at least some of the "slow starts" (on both sides) were due to this.

[AppSt94]

For God's sake I hope they are practicing something besides right up the middle on 3rd and short and 4th and short. That was extremely predictable last season and bit us in rear several times. Back to back plays a couple of those times.

I believe with Frank Ponce as OC that type play calling on 3rd/4th and short will be shelved.

I didn’t think Barbay was calling those either.

Was the problem play call or execution?

[PhillyApp1]

For God's sake I hope they are practicing something besides right up the middle on 3rd and short and 4th and short. That was extremely predictable last season and bit us in rear several times. Back to back plays a couple of those times.

I believe with Frank Ponce as OC that type play calling on 3rd/4th and short will be shelved.

I didn’t think Barbay was calling those either.

Was the problem play call or execution?

Early in the year it was execution.
After we failed over and over and over..... it was play call

[AppSt94]

For God's sake I hope they are practicing something besides right up the middle on 3rd and short and 4th and short. That was extremely predictable last season and bit us in rear several times. Back to back plays a couple of those times.

I believe with Frank Ponce as OC that type play calling on 3rd/4th and short will be shelved.

I didn’t think Barbay was calling those either.

Was the problem play call or execution?

Early in the year it was execution.
After we failed over and over and over..... it was play call

I believe that as the year went on and the injuries mounted on the defense, it became more of a decision of necessity to keep the opposing offense off the field.

[BambooRdApp]

Someone posted on a thread all 4th down conversions. Too lazy to go find it. For the last 6 games or so ....I am curious if it really was play calling when 4th and 3 or less. If you are beyond 3 yards on 4th, the likelihood in gaining 1st down in college football I would think goes down...so, on 4th and 3yards to go or less

....did we run our typical off guard/tackle run every time..if we tried a combination of plays (not meaning same play to right or left side...but different plays)...the that is somewhat execution of the play ....if we ran the same play...then one can argue it is the definition of insanity as they say.

I also get there are more variables than this..if all were 4th and 1....coach mentality is that OL should be earth movers at that point to get the yard...so the results may be skewed to runs as noted above.

[AppSt94]

Someone posted on a thread all 4th down conversions. Too lazy to go find it. For the last 6 games or so ....I am curious if it really was play calling when 4th and 3 or less. If you are beyond 3 yards on 4th, the likelihood in gaining 1st down in college football I would think goes down...so, on 4th and 3yards to go or less

....did we run our typical off guard/tackle run every time..if we tried a combination of plays (not meaning same play to right or left side...but different plays)...the that is somewhat execution of the play ....if we ran the same play...then one can argue it is the definition of insanity as they say.

I also get there are more variables than this..if all were 4th and 1....coach mentality is that OL should be earth movers at that point to get the yard...so the results may be skewed to runs as noted above.

A very fair and astute observation. From a fan standpoint, calls can all look to be the same. I doubt that they are though and you still need backs to hit the correct hole.

[AppStateNews]

Someone posted on a thread all 4th down conversions. Too lazy to go find it. For the last 6 games or so ....I am curious if it really was play calling when 4th and 3 or less. If you are beyond 3 yards on 4th, the likelihood in gaining 1st down in college football I would think goes down...so, on 4th and 3yards to go or less

....did we run our typical off guard/tackle run every time..if we tried a combination of plays (not meaning same play to right or left side...but different plays)...the that is somewhat execution of the play ....if we ran the same play...then one can argue it is the definition of insanity as they say.

I also get there are more variables than this..if all were 4th and 1....coach mentality is that OL should be earth movers at that point to get the yard...so the results may be skewed to runs as noted above.

It wasn't always the same play, but it was always the same blocking scheme that teams figured out how to defend against.

Also, on more than one occasion, Pearson was wide open if Brice pulls it. I don't know the play calls during those plays, but with Pearson running the route he ran (and was wide open), Brice either missed the pre-snap call out by Pearson, Brice messed up the read at the mesh, or Pearson/Brice just ran the wrong play. I highly doubt it's the last one as many times as it happened.

The worst one was very late in the GaSo game

[AppStFan1]

Someone posted on a thread all 4th down conversions. Too lazy to go find it. For the last 6 games or so ....I am curious if it really was play calling when 4th and 3 or less. If you are beyond 3 yards on 4th, the likelihood in gaining 1st down in college football I would think goes down...so, on 4th and 3yards to go or less

....did we run our typical off guard/tackle run every time..if we tried a combination of plays (not meaning same play to right or left side...but different plays)...the that is somewhat execution of the play ....if we ran the same play...then one can argue it is the definition of insanity as they say.

I also get there are more variables than this..if all were 4th and 1....coach mentality is that OL should be earth movers at that point to get the yard...so the results may be skewed to runs as noted above.

It wasn't always the same play, but it was always the same blocking scheme that teams figured out how to defend against.

Also, on more than one occasion, Pearson was wide open if Brice pulls it. I don't know the play calls during those plays, but with Pearson running the route he ran (and was wide open), Brice either missed the pre-snap call out by Pearson, Brice messed up the read at the mesh, or Pearson/Brice just ran the wrong play. I highly doubt it's the last one as many times as it happened.

The worst one was very late in the GaSo game

I think I remember you and some of us talking about that during the season. I truly felt that Pearson should have had a monster year. A lot of times he was open and we just did not get it to him. I really hope we take advantage of the talent we have in the tight end room this year better than we did with Pearson.

[Stonewall]

Decision making at QB , right read , quick read , very important.

[Saint3333]

The excuse train for stupid 3rd and 4th calls with injuries or whatever continues. Can’t wait to get over these tracks.

[AppSt94]

The excuse train for stupid 3rd and 4th calls with injuries or whatever continues. Can’t wait to get over these tracks.

Since you seem to know what the problem(s) were, please enlighten upon us your sage wisdom.

[Saint3333]

Too funny. Already have many times, that’s the point.

Be glad when we get back to winning, winners don’t make excuses.

[AppSt94]

Too funny. Already have many times, that’s the point.

Be glad when we get back to winning, winners don’t make excuses.

So you have nothing? Typical.

[Saint3333]

Seriously we’ve been over it a dozen times, you just don’t like the response. Typical…. See how stupid this is.