Coastal discussion

[WASU 93]

One comment made earlier is a bit far fetched. Someone said we gave up 28 plays over 20 yards. That's ridiculous. Those plays alone would add up to over 560 yards.

We didn't, but:

Bennett 63 yard catch
Tucker 51 yard catch
Brown 40 yard catch
Karr 32 yard catch
Pinckney 31 yard catch
Beasley 21 yard run
Brown 20 yard run

That's 258 yards on 7 plays

They had 6 drives over 59 yards + a 41 yards drive and a 33 yard drive and a 29 yard drive.

[appstate24]

This is what we signed up for when we moved to FBS - hope all the folks crowing about it at the time are happy with the results.

Omg, awful take, and there are a lot on here, but this one . . .

Good lord… Just when I had thought I’d seen it all. Admins can we pool some $$ together to send this man a trophy? Hands the absolute worst take in the history of YC, and that my friends is saying A LOT!

[Bootsy]

If that was Coastal in 2020, 2021 or 2022 they win by two-plus scores.

Thankfully, McCall can no longer run. If we had to deal with that option last night, they would have hit 750 yards. I honestly don't know how they totaled nearly 600 yards (with no turnovers other than the two failed 4th down conversions) and only scored 27 points.

They used motion and misdirection masterfully in the second half and that's where our defense really failed. We didn't adjust to it. They motioned a back out in the flat and instead of covering him, we blitzed off that side of the field. They motioned a receiver into the backfield, handed him the ball and he took off for positive yards. They motioned players across the field against our zone and we had two defensive backs to cover three receivers. And, they used motion to overload one side of the zone and gashed us with the tight end up the seam. Add in McCall's tuck it to the line of scrimmage and then heave it deep.....

Again, I don't have a clue how they only scored 13 points on at least 400 yards of offense AFTER the first two scoring drives.

I'd imagine our defensive practices this past week focused on preparing for Beck's offense. But give the guy credit; he pulled some surprises out of Chadwell's playbook last night and punched us square in the face with 'em.

[Saint3333]

If that was Coastal in 2020, 2021 or 2022 they win by two-plus scores.

Thankfully, McCall can no longer run. If we had to deal with that option last night, they would have hit 750 yards. I honestly don't know how they totaled nearly 600 yards (with no turnovers other than the two failed 4th down conversions) and only scored 27 points.

They used motion and misdirection masterfully in the second half and that's where our defense really failed. We didn't adjust to it. They motioned a back out in the flat and instead of covering him, we blitzed off that side of the field. They motioned a receiver into the backfield, handed him the ball and he took off for positive yards. They motioned players across the field against our zone and we had two defensive backs to cover three receivers. And, they used motion to overload one side of the zone and gashed us with the tight end up the seam. Add in McCall's tuck it to the line of scrimmage and then heave it deep.....

Again, I don't have a clue how they only scored 13 points on at least 400 yards of offense AFTER the first two scoring drives.

I'd imagine our defensive practices this past week focused on preparing for Beck's offense. But give the guy credit; he pulled some surprises out of Chadwell's playbook last night and punched us square in the face with 'em.

Surprises??? Many on here, including myself predicted they would incorporate those wrinkles given the extra time between games. If any on our staff were surprised we're asleep at the wheel.

[Mjohn1988]

I’ve seen some posts about energy and brotherhood that fall on the coaches. For energy, who is our coach that demands our players play with 110%? The Elliott, Cardwell role. That adrenaline is missing.

For brotherhood, why are we not celebrating each others success? That is the easiest way to build more confidence in the moment. We simply do our job, promote ourselves and seem to be distracted or ignorant to what our teammates do. How? Who is lifting us up? Our fan base sure thinks we stink. Someone in that locker room needs to tighten this team up.

If our coaches and players weren’t lifted up by coming onto that field last night I’m not sure they can be lifted up. Our fan base last night was awesome. Now the team fell completely flat to start the game and the enthusiasm did drop off. But it came back late in the game.

[appfanjj]

Thoughts after the game.
Never felt like we were in the game. The final score was not as bad as the loss was. It was like a cat playing with a mouse, because they had 3-4 plays we never could stop. Good teams find ways to win and bad teams find ways to lose. Worst defense in a very, very long time. Many Coastal players were punks who were more interested in taunting fans than blowing out a weak team. Great turnout on a Tuesday. The fans deserved a better prepared team. I really like Clark as a person and an App guy, and I wish him well, but we are losing program momentum and respect by the hour. A mediocre Coastal team came to the Rock and showed zero respect for our team and knew we couldn’t stop them. It was sad.
Clark should be allowed to finish the season, although it will be hard to watch, but the search should have already started.

DG has probably been keeping very close tabs on potential head coach prospects and should, no doubt, continue to do so. Just in case.
Confident he will be prepared to make the proper decisions going forward.

[t4pizza]

Nate Noel dressed and in a helmet and walking on the sidelines and didn’t play in a tight game.

Fuck the dog house. Play your best players

Hear that he is having his foot x-rayed.

Don’t care. Best player on either team was begging to play and wasn’t allowed to in a tight game. Malpractice.

You can't be serious with this take. Playing an injured player is not malpractice IN FACT it is the exact opposite. It would be malpractice to have played him. I know you want Clark gone but there are enough legit arguments to use for that purpose, trying to make this one of them is just foolish and lacks credibility. No coach should ever knowingly play an INJURED player, regardless of how tight the game is.

[MrCraig]

One thing that’s becoming a major concern for me is how dead this team feels. I know that these kids care and that they give it their all, but they seem so unmotivated every single game, as if they know that they aren’t getting what they need in practice or in the locker room.

Even when the stadium is packed on a Tuesday night game, the team looks uninterested and lost. Once again, that’s on coaching. We’re in trouble.

Just no swagger AT ALL. That comes from coaching. Shawn Elliot may not be a great coach, and I don't think App should hire him, but even his worst years with GA State they've had an identity, a swagger, and a nastiness about them.

I want to see anybody get mad. I want to see an O lineman push somebody out of bounds and through the bench. I watched one of our guys get curb stomped by 2 CCU guys on a kick off and not a single App guy came to help. I watch our O line become nothing more than spectators on several plays. I watch it take 5 or 6 guys to bring down CCUs backs, time after time. Forget about the coaching staff for now. Do we have any players who can’t stand losing? Any guys who really want to compete? Do we have any true leaders out on the field? We have always had those guys. I don’t see them now.

I don't think any of our guys go out on the field wanting to lose. No one does. But, do they have the skill or knowledge to carry it out to victory. If they don't have skill that's poor recruiting. If they don't have knowledge that's coaching. It's not the players fault if they are in a league they can't compete in and it's not the players fault if not prepared for gametime specific situations. That's Coaching responsibility!

I’m not saying they don’t want to win but there is a difference between what it takes to win and what it takes to not want to lose. I’m really talking about a basic team identity. I think our team has a soft identity. Yes they play until the end of the game. And I’ll give credit for that effort. What I would ask is why do we need to win or try to win games on last second desperation plays? I think our players have taken on the identity of our head coach. Soft spoken, tomorrow’s another day, all our goals are still in sight.

If y'all haven't watched Shoresy on Hulu, remedy that immediately. Everybody loves to win, but you gotta HATE losing. I'm man enough to admit that in my brief coaching and playing days I didn't hate to lose. That's why I don't coach or play anymore. At the G5 level especially, if you want to win and you hate losing, you gotta "run em up and fill em in."

[Bigdaddyg1]

There is ZERO chance that Noel was cleared and kept out of the game. You know a player's adrenaline is pumping during a game and most, if not all want to play even injured. We ran the ball fine but the running backs don't cover passes.

[bcoach]

This is what we signed up for when we moved to FBS - hope all the folks crowing about it at the time are happy with the results.

We just need a competent coach. Talent is there. Coaching is not.

Just an honest question. Just where has that talent shown it's self?

[Bigdaddyg1]

This is what we signed up for when we moved to FBS - hope all the folks crowing about it at the time are happy with the results.

We just need a competent coach. Talent is there. Coaching is not.

Just an honest question. Just where has that talent shown it's self?

I'm with you. A few years ago our roster was referred to as a Lamborghini or Ferrari. How exactly do some people gauge the talent level? I see some good players but I also see both lines getting dominated at times. I see receivers blowing by our corners. I see missed tackles and worse, a ball carrier dragging 3 of our defenders for extra yards on multiple occasions. In all of those examples I don't see a coach on the field.
Maybe we are getting the best players we can get. Some become really good if not great, some can't compete at this level and others are simply ok.

[311neers]

This is what we signed up for when we moved to FBS - hope all the folks crowing about it at the time are happy with the results.

We just need a competent coach. Talent is there. Coaching is not.

Just an honest question. Just where has that talent shown it's self?

Hopper, Sullivan, Stroman, Noel/Roberts, JA, Nate Johnson, Tyrek, Clark...just to name a few. We've got guys with talent, might just be a step slow or small (young) at the moment at certain positions without calling names out. Coaching has to put them in better positions to succeed.

We had 2 Starting DT's get hurt in August and our run D is still solid. No excuse for Pass defense. Hopper is playing above his weight by 30 pounds. Him and Nate Johnson have been standouts.

I said it before the season....we didnt have any 300lb guys on the roster until the NCSU and UGA transfer showed up...

[BeauFoster]

This is what we signed up for when we moved to FBS - hope all the folks crowing about it at the time are happy with the results.

We just need a competent coach. Talent is there. Coaching is not.

Just an honest question. Just where has that talent shown it's self?

Hopper, Sullivan, Stroman, Noel/Roberts, JA, Nate Johnson, Tyrek, Clark...just to name a few. We've got guys with talent, might just be a step slow or small (young) at the moment at certain positions without calling names out. Coaching has to put them in better positions to succeed.

Sometimes appearing a step slow is time taken by the player to process what is happening in front of them. A lot of that could be attributed to lesser experience or being young.

[bcoach]

This is what we signed up for when we moved to FBS - hope all the folks crowing about it at the time are happy with the results.

We just need a competent coach. Talent is there. Coaching is not.

Just an honest question. Just where has that talent shown it's self?

Hopper, Sullivan, Stroman, Noel/Roberts, JA, Nate Johnson, Tyrek, Clark...just to name a few. We've got guys with talent, might just be a step slow or small (young) at the moment at certain positions without calling names out. Coaching has to put them in better positions to succeed.

We had 2 Starting DT's get hurt in August and our run D is still solid. No excuse for Pass defense. Hopper is playing above his weight by 30 pounds. Him and Nate Johnson have been standouts.

I said it before the season....we didnt have any 300lb guys on the roster until the NCSU and UGA transfer showed up...

So we for sure have some good players but not that wealth of talent we previously thought we had.

[Stonewall]

The NFL thought we had talent last year. In any event , watching the replay , we got beat soundly all around the field of play. Not as bad as we whipped Wyoming to only give up enough plays to lose , but we got beat .Despite that , if Tucker doesn't fumble.....

[Black Saturday]

The NFL thought we had talent last year. In any event , watching the replay , we got beat soundly all around the field of play. Not as bad as we whipped Wyoming to only give up enough plays to lose , but we got beat .Despite that , if Tucker doesn't fumble.....

And if the Defense had made a stand...................................................

[WASU 93]

The NFL thought we had talent last year. In any event , watching the replay , we got beat soundly all around the field of play. Not as bad as we whipped Wyoming to only give up enough plays to lose , but we got beat .Despite that , if Tucker doesn't fumble.....

And if the Defense had made a stand...................................................

I told my friends in the stands when Coastal took over at their 13 yard line in the 4th Quarter (we were down 7), we need two stops and we need to play perfect offense the rest of the way. Despite their transgressions, the defense delivered the two stops, and the offense almost got it done.....and then it didn't.

[Yosef1986]

Unfortunately - between last season and so far this season - we keep talking about if's and but's.............

[Bigdaddyg1]

Someone look this up. Over the last 3 years how many one score games have we had? Of those what is our record and how many did we win or lose on the last possession? We beat ULM on the FG and Troy on the Hail Mary and lost Tuesday on the FG. Way too many nail biters.

[asunate]

Someone look this up. Over the last 3 years how many one score games have we had? Of those what is our record and how many did we win or lose on the last possession? We beat ULM on the FG and Troy on the Hail Mary and lost Tuesday on the FG. Way too many nail biters.

App State was 4-3 in one score games during 2020-2021 App is 3-8 in one score games since. 18 total games for the past 4 years.

However... in the previous 5 years (2015-2019) there were 17 one score games, and one of those seasons had none. App State record: 10-7, with 3 of the 7 losses to P5.

Same number of close games….different outcomes.