#TeamClark

[MrCraig]

No, no I'm not Todd or hopefully you are just from Todd.

If before the season 48 points and a homecoming win was on the table everyone would say sounds good, but the majority is miserable and don't appreaciate the win as Dabo says.

As long as I continue to get 'Thanks' people agree and I will continue.

I think the reason some are miserable is that we looked bad for three quarters and gave up 38 to the worst team in league. If we had done what we did in the last 3 games against our last 3 opponents people wouldn’t be as upset but we just played the weakest part of our SBC schedule. We are entering the toughest stretch of the season and people fear back to back years of not even getting a bowl invite.

I think we can win 3 of the final 4 but we also have to play a lot better. The next 4 teams we play are all better than the last 3 we played and we are 1-2 in the last 3 games. Hopefully we improve a lot because we will have to in order to do well in November.

For me, it's like a disappointment hangover. Sure, I'm glad we beat Southern Miss, and I think the team looked pretty darn good in the second half. However, looking at App's first 8 games at the 2/3 point of the season, App has really only played 2 good teams- UNC and Wyoming. The fact that App isn't riding a 4 game win streak, which they would be if they had any sort of defense to speak of, is hugely disappointing to me. So, while the USM outcome was good, I just can't shake the bad taste of a near-miracle field goal win against a very bad ULM and losses to ODU and Coastal.

[Yosef84]

Here is a stat for you….no team in our division has a losing overall record

This league is very strong. I don't think anyone is doubting that by now. We have some teams who are up and down at times like USA but just about every team in this league can win at any given time.

Relative to Air Force, JMU isn't getting as much respect in the AP poll as I might have suspected. That says something about how the Sun Belt is viewed compared to the Mt. West.

Your point is valid about the polls but that isn't mutually exclusive with the fact that the SBC is very strong. The image of the belt has risen rapidly and deservedly so. There is still bias in the polls where some voters hang onto the idea that the MWC or even the AAC is stronger. It takes time for mindsets to change. I think the addition of JMU will ultimately help but I also think the fact they are a recent FCS move-up and are doing so well is a short term set back in the minds of the voters. The progress is there, but the change in perception doesn't always track directly with actual quality. Perception usually has a delay built in.

[Bootsy]

JMU is a new face on the FBS scene. And whether they admit or not, the Dukes don't have any brand recognition. But as long as they keep winning, they'll get more recognition.

It will be fun to see how many SBC teams get bowl bids this year. That's when people will tune in and hear about the conference, how many SBC teams have beaten P5 teams recently, the strength of the SBC East, etc. That's when the credit will come.

But it is a slow process.

[mike87]

The pollsters pay attention to the P5 only. If our fanbase is waiting for validation from that group to determine if we are happy or not, well, it's going to be never. Our brand of football is butts in seats and regional rivalries. Cred from the talking heads and marquee TV games isn't the mantra of G5 football. Our peer institutions are the sunbelt and tbh, any sunbelt win is a good win.

[GSUwasGump’sFallbackSchool]

JMU is a new face on the FBS scene. And whether they admit or not, the Dukes don't have any brand recognition. But as long as they keep winning, they'll get more recognition.

It will be fun to see how many SBC teams get bowl bids this year. That's when people will tune in and hear about the conference, how many SBC teams have beaten P5 teams recently, the strength of the SBC East, etc. That's when the credit will come.

But it is a slow process.

Lol they certainly won’t admit it. That’s such an obnoxious and entitled fan base. I had a discussion with one of them the other day who was certain they won’t fall back to earth a bit if Cignetti left, and I cautiously reminded them of our situation. They were positive they have a better winning tradition than App haha.

Between that mindset, them always talking about how they’re guaranteed to have the biggest SBCEast stadium someday, and their b****ing&moaning over a postseason ban rule that their university agreed to I’m already so tired of them.

[DenverOfTheEast]

11/1/23
#TeamClark has 19,800 views and 28 pages of bad typing.
You guys love this thread!!!!

CFP poll will never give a G5 a realistic chance, argued this last week the 13-1 team wouldn't getting a NY6 Bowl, Pipe dreams.

Win the SBC East/Championship and enjoy those Dirty South Bowl trips = App State Football/#TeamClark

[mike87]

JMU is a new face on the FBS scene. And whether they admit or not, the Dukes don't have any brand recognition. But as long as they keep winning, they'll get more recognition.

It will be fun to see how many SBC teams get bowl bids this year. That's when people will tune in and hear about the conference, how many SBC teams have beaten P5 teams recently, the strength of the SBC East, etc. That's when the credit will come.

But it is a slow process.

Lol they certainly won’t admit it. That’s such an obnoxious and entitled fan base. I had a discussion with one of them the other day who was certain they won’t fall back to earth a bit if Cignetti left, and I cautiously reminded them of our situation. They were positive they have a better winning tradition than App haha.

Between that mindset, them always talking about how they’re guaranteed to have the biggest SBCEast stadium someday, and their b****ing&moaning over a postseason ban rule that their university agreed to I’m already so tired of them.

I don't disagree with the post, but I also recognize what I see in the mirror. This is absolutely us!

[AppStFan1]

No, no I'm not Todd or hopefully you are just from Todd.

If before the season 48 points and a homecoming win was on the table everyone would say sounds good, but the majority is miserable and don't appreaciate the win as Dabo says.

As long as I continue to get 'Thanks' people agree and I will continue.

I think the reason some are miserable is that we looked bad for three quarters and gave up 38 to the worst team in league. If we had done what we did in the last 3 games against our last 3 opponents people wouldn’t be as upset but we just played the weakest part of our SBC schedule. We are entering the toughest stretch of the season and people fear back to back years of not even getting a bowl invite.

I think we can win 3 of the final 4 but we also have to play a lot better. The next 4 teams we play are all better than the last 3 we played and we are 1-2 in the last 3 games. Hopefully we improve a lot because we will have to in order to do well in November.

For me, it's like a disappointment hangover. Sure, I'm glad we beat Southern Miss, and I think the team looked pretty darn good in the second half. However, looking at App's first 8 games at the 2/3 point of the season, App has really only played 2 good teams- UNC and Wyoming. The fact that App isn't riding a 4 game win streak, which they would be if they had any sort of defense to speak of, is hugely disappointing to me. So, while the USM outcome was good, I just can't shake the bad taste of a near-miracle field goal win against a very bad ULM and losses to ODU and Coastal.

Exactly. Shawn really needed to beat ODU and CCU. The toughest part of schedule is coming up and we are only 4-4. I believe we have the personnel to go 3-1 or 4-0 this month but we will have to perform and coach a lot better on the field. I am hoping we do!

[DenverOfTheEast]

No, no I'm not Todd or hopefully you are just from Todd.

If before the season 48 points and a homecoming win was on the table everyone would say sounds good, but the majority is miserable and don't appreaciate the win as Dabo says.

As long as I continue to get 'Thanks' people agree and I will continue.

I think the reason some are miserable is that we looked bad for three quarters and gave up 38 to the worst team in league. If we had done what we did in the last 3 games against our last 3 opponents people wouldn’t be as upset but we just played the weakest part of our SBC schedule. We are entering the toughest stretch of the season and people fear back to back years of not even getting a bowl invite.

I think we can win 3 of the final 4 but we also have to play a lot better. The next 4 teams we play are all better than the last 3 we played and we are 1-2 in the last 3 games. Hopefully we improve a lot because we will have to in order to do well in November.

For me, it's like a disappointment hangover. Sure, I'm glad we beat Southern Miss, and I think the team looked pretty darn good in the second half. However, looking at App's first 8 games at the 2/3 point of the season, App has really only played 2 good teams- UNC and Wyoming. The fact that App isn't riding a 4 game win streak, which they would be if they had any sort of defense to speak of, is hugely disappointing to me. So, while the USM outcome was good, I just can't shake the bad taste of a near-miracle field goal win against a very bad ULM and losses to ODU and Coastal.

Exactly. Shawn really needed to beat ODU and CCU. The toughest part of schedule is coming up and we are only 4-4. I believe we have the personnel to go 3-1 or 4-0 this month but we will have to perform and coach a lot better on the field. I am hoping we do!

This is the problem,
'Shawn' / #TeamClark gets no credit for a win or a close loss to UNC 2x, (no good coaching credit)
but he gets the credit when they lose (all bad coaching criticism)

The players beat everyone else, but Shawn lost to the other teams. 🤯

and Hope is not a strategy.

[appgrad95&97]

11/1/23
#TeamClark has 19,800 views and 28 pages of bad typing.
You guys love this thread!!!!

CFP poll will never give a G5 a realistic chance, argued this last week the 13-1 team wouldn't getting a NY6 Bowl, Pipe dreams.

Win the SBC East/Championship and enjoy those Dirty South Bowl trips = App State Football/#TeamClark

The top ranked G5 automatically gets a NY6 game. It's not realistic, is guaranteed. And Cincinnati (G5 school made the playoff). We have a chance, we just have to be good.

[Black Saturday]

11/1/23
#TeamClark has 19,800 views and 28 pages of bad typing.
You guys love this thread!!!!

CFP poll will never give a G5 a realistic chance, argued this last week the 13-1 team wouldn't getting a NY6 Bowl, Pipe dreams.

Win the SBC East/Championship and enjoy those Dirty South Bowl trips = App State Football/#TeamClark

Same goes for any Coach here.

[Bigdaddyg1]

JMU is a new face on the FBS scene. And whether they admit or not, the Dukes don't have any brand recognition. But as long as they keep winning, they'll get more recognition.

It will be fun to see how many SBC teams get bowl bids this year. That's when people will tune in and hear about the conference, how many SBC teams have beaten P5 teams recently, the strength of the SBC East, etc. That's when the credit will come.

But it is a slow process.

Lol they certainly won’t admit it. That’s such an obnoxious and entitled fan base. I had a discussion with one of them the other day who was certain they won’t fall back to earth a bit if Cignetti left, and I cautiously reminded them of our situation. They were positive they have a better winning tradition than App haha.

Between that mindset, them always talking about how they’re guaranteed to have the biggest SBCEast stadium someday, and their b****ing&moaning over a postseason ban rule that their university agreed to I’m already so tired of them.

I don't disagree with the post, but I also recognize what I see in the mirror. This is absolutely us!

You are exactly right. I'm probably one of them but App fans have had the reputation of being exactly like JMU. We talked big and bad for years and have had this bring it on mentality (which isn't that bad). I've heard many a person say that App fans can be insufferable.

[BallantyneApp]

11/1/23
#TeamClark has 19,800 views and 28 pages of bad typing.
You guys love this thread!!!!

CFP poll will never give a G5 a realistic chance, argued this last week the 13-1 team wouldn't getting a NY6 Bowl, Pipe dreams.

Win the SBC East/Championship and enjoy those Dirty South Bowl trips = App State Football/#TeamClark

The perception of the sunbelt has changed and the perception of the AAC is down.

If App was on course for 13-1 this year we would be in ahead of Tulane right now.

[BallantyneApp]

No, no I'm not Todd or hopefully you are just from Todd.

If before the season 48 points and a homecoming win was on the table everyone would say sounds good, but the majority is miserable and don't appreaciate the win as Dabo says.

As long as I continue to get 'Thanks' people agree and I will continue.

I think the reason some are miserable is that we looked bad for three quarters and gave up 38 to the worst team in league. If we had done what we did in the last 3 games against our last 3 opponents people wouldn’t be as upset but we just played the weakest part of our SBC schedule. We are entering the toughest stretch of the season and people fear back to back years of not even getting a bowl invite.

I think we can win 3 of the final 4 but we also have to play a lot better. The next 4 teams we play are all better than the last 3 we played and we are 1-2 in the last 3 games. Hopefully we improve a lot because we will have to in order to do well in November.

For me, it's like a disappointment hangover. Sure, I'm glad we beat Southern Miss, and I think the team looked pretty darn good in the second half. However, looking at App's first 8 games at the 2/3 point of the season, App has really only played 2 good teams- UNC and Wyoming. The fact that App isn't riding a 4 game win streak, which they would be if they had any sort of defense to speak of, is hugely disappointing to me. So, while the USM outcome was good, I just can't shake the bad taste of a near-miracle field goal win against a very bad ULM and losses to ODU and Coastal.

Exactly. Shawn really needed to beat ODU and CCU. The toughest part of schedule is coming up and we are only 4-4. I believe we have the personnel to go 3-1 or 4-0 this month but we will have to perform and coach a lot better on the field. I am hoping we do!

This is the problem,
'Shawn' / #TeamClark gets no credit for a win or a close loss to UNC 2x, (no good coaching credit)
but he gets the credit when they lose (all bad coaching criticism)

The players beat everyone else, but Shawn lost to the other teams. 🤯

and Hope is not a strategy.

what's credit for a close loss?

App has 4 wins vs teams i'm assuming App was double digit favored against. 2 of those were last second wins. We've lost 2 we were comfortable favorites in, lost 1 that was a pick'em and played close vs a heavily favored P5 which is nice but was ultimately a loss.

[appst89]

No, no I'm not Todd or hopefully you are just from Todd.

If before the season 48 points and a homecoming win was on the table everyone would say sounds good, but the majority is miserable and don't appreaciate the win as Dabo says.

As long as I continue to get 'Thanks' people agree and I will continue.

I think the reason some are miserable is that we looked bad for three quarters and gave up 38 to the worst team in league. If we had done what we did in the last 3 games against our last 3 opponents people wouldn’t be as upset but we just played the weakest part of our SBC schedule. We are entering the toughest stretch of the season and people fear back to back years of not even getting a bowl invite.

I think we can win 3 of the final 4 but we also have to play a lot better. The next 4 teams we play are all better than the last 3 we played and we are 1-2 in the last 3 games. Hopefully we improve a lot because we will have to in order to do well in November.

For me, it's like a disappointment hangover. Sure, I'm glad we beat Southern Miss, and I think the team looked pretty darn good in the second half. However, looking at App's first 8 games at the 2/3 point of the season, App has really only played 2 good teams- UNC and Wyoming. The fact that App isn't riding a 4 game win streak, which they would be if they had any sort of defense to speak of, is hugely disappointing to me. So, while the USM outcome was good, I just can't shake the bad taste of a near-miracle field goal win against a very bad ULM and losses to ODU and Coastal.

Exactly. Shawn really needed to beat ODU and CCU. The toughest part of schedule is coming up and we are only 4-4. I believe we have the personnel to go 3-1 or 4-0 this month but we will have to perform and coach a lot better on the field. I am hoping we do!

This is the problem,
'Shawn' / #TeamClark gets no credit for a win or a close loss to UNC 2x, (no good coaching credit)
but he gets the credit when they lose (all bad coaching criticism)

The players beat everyone else, but Shawn lost to the other teams. 🤯

and Hope is not a strategy.

So now you want participation trophies and moral victories? No, thank you.

[MrCraig]

No, no I'm not Todd or hopefully you are just from Todd.

If before the season 48 points and a homecoming win was on the table everyone would say sounds good, but the majority is miserable and don't appreaciate the win as Dabo says.

As long as I continue to get 'Thanks' people agree and I will continue.

I think the reason some are miserable is that we looked bad for three quarters and gave up 38 to the worst team in league. If we had done what we did in the last 3 games against our last 3 opponents people wouldn’t be as upset but we just played the weakest part of our SBC schedule. We are entering the toughest stretch of the season and people fear back to back years of not even getting a bowl invite.

I think we can win 3 of the final 4 but we also have to play a lot better. The next 4 teams we play are all better than the last 3 we played and we are 1-2 in the last 3 games. Hopefully we improve a lot because we will have to in order to do well in November.

For me, it's like a disappointment hangover. Sure, I'm glad we beat Southern Miss, and I think the team looked pretty darn good in the second half. However, looking at App's first 8 games at the 2/3 point of the season, App has really only played 2 good teams- UNC and Wyoming. The fact that App isn't riding a 4 game win streak, which they would be if they had any sort of defense to speak of, is hugely disappointing to me. So, while the USM outcome was good, I just can't shake the bad taste of a near-miracle field goal win against a very bad ULM and losses to ODU and Coastal.

Exactly. Shawn really needed to beat ODU and CCU. The toughest part of schedule is coming up and we are only 4-4. I believe we have the personnel to go 3-1 or 4-0 this month but we will have to perform and coach a lot better on the field. I am hoping we do!

This is the problem,
'Shawn' / #TeamClark gets no credit for a win or a close loss to UNC 2x, (no good coaching credit)
but he gets the credit when they lose (all bad coaching criticism)

The players beat everyone else, but Shawn lost to the other teams. 🤯

and Hope is not a strategy.

Clark gets plenty of credit in wins. He does not get positive credit for 2 straight losses to mediocre UNC teams. It's also hard to give too much credit to coaches when App is squeaking out wins against bad teams (ULM, USM). If App/Clark were good, they'd have beaten ULM, USM, ODU, and Coastal convincingly. If they were very good, they would've beaten Wyoming and UNC.

[CharlotteApp05]

Denver's inability to apply common sense is laughable. Bowl games don't give credit for good losses (becoming worse each week now). It is black and white. In order to qualify for a bowl game or a conference championship (or in order to not come in last place in a division) you need wins. Actual wins. Yes App played well against UNCCH and we are proud of the effort, but it doesn't do anything towards bowl games or conference championships. And another little nugget to think about when we you are so caught up in Clark, most people don't care if it is coaching or the players, they just want to win and this is the cold truth, our best win is against the 140th best team in the country according to RPI:

Gardner-Webb
4-3 (0-0) 180 45-24 W
at N. Carolina
6-2 (3-2) 16 34-40 L
East Carolina
0-7 (0-1) 162 43-28 W
at Wyoming
5-3 (2-2) 30 19-22 L
at LA Monroe
2-6 (0-5) 140 41-40 W
Coastal Car.
5-3 (0-0) 51 24-27 L
at Old Dominion
4-4 (3-2) 84 21-28 L
Southern Miss
1-7 (0-5) 141 48-38 W

[Yosef1986]

Denver's inability to apply common sense is laughable. Bowl games don't give credit for good losses (becoming worse each week now). It is black and white. In order to qualify for a bowl game or a conference championship (or in order to not come in last place in a division) you need wins. Actual wins. Yes App played well against UNCCH and we are proud of the effort, but it doesn't do anything towards bowl games or conference championships. And another little nugget to think about when we you are so caught up in Clark, most people don't care if it is coaching or the players, they just want to win and this is the cold truth, our best win is against the 140th best team in the country according to RPI:

Gardner-Webb
4-3 (0-0) 180 45-24 W
at N. Carolina
6-2 (3-2) 16 34-40 L
East Carolina
0-7 (0-1) 162 43-28 W
at Wyoming
5-3 (2-2) 30 19-22 L
at LA Monroe
2-6 (0-5) 140 41-40 W
Coastal Car.
5-3 (0-0) 51 24-27 L
at Old Dominion
4-4 (3-2) 84 21-28 L
Southern Miss
1-7 (0-5) 141 48-38 W

Good information - it is an eye opener.

[proasu89]

Denver's inability to apply common sense is laughable. Bowl games don't give credit for good losses (becoming worse each week now). It is black and white. In order to qualify for a bowl game or a conference championship (or in order to not come in last place in a division) you need wins. Actual wins. Yes App played well against UNCCH and we are proud of the effort, but it doesn't do anything towards bowl games or conference championships. And another little nugget to think about when we you are so caught up in Clark, most people don't care if it is coaching or the players, they just want to win and this is the cold truth, our best win is against the 140th best team in the country according to RPI:

Gardner-Webb
4-3 (0-0) 180 45-24 W
at N. Carolina
6-2 (3-2) 16 34-40 L
East Carolina
0-7 (0-1) 162 43-28 W
at Wyoming
5-3 (2-2) 30 19-22 L
at LA Monroe
2-6 (0-5) 140 41-40 W
Coastal Car.
5-3 (0-0) 51 24-27 L
at Old Dominion
4-4 (3-2) 84 21-28 L
Southern Miss
1-7 (0-5) 141 48-38 W

We have 3 wins against FBS teams. Those 3 teams have won a Combined 4 games. Not going to dig too deep, but I know 1 of those 4 wins was against Gardner Webb.

[CharlotteApp05]

I dug - The teams we have beaten combine for 1 FBS win (Army).