#TeamClark

[Pikapp79]

My expectations every single season:

1: go undefeated and win the National Championship
2: play in the NY6 game
3: win the Sunbelt
4: play in and win a bowl game

Number 1 is nearly impossible and as a reasonable and non-delusional fan I don't expect that. If we accomplish number 2 the 3rd is a given.

Those are the goals and expectations I'd set but by the same token not accomplishing the first 3 does not equate to coaching changes. There are other aspects to sports (football) that go beyond those first 3 expectations.

So since #1-2 are unrealistic the final two are your realistic expectations? How we doing with the Clark regime?

It’s great that you are so negative about Clark and the program. I’m happy for you. Truly. Perhaps you were the some of the people trying to run him out of town this season?

The 6 highest conference champs make the playoff next season. The PAC 12 is over. That means two conference champs from either the AAC, CUSA, MAC, MWC, and Sun Belt will be in the playoff. A 3rd will be in a NY6 bowl. 3/5 conferences. Number 1 and 2 are not unrealistic. They are only unrealistic to people like you who trash our program every chance they get.

Oh my, now you are being silly. Never trashed the program. Expectations for the program is not trashing it. Carry on youngster.

Just giving you facts. 3/5 group of 5 champs will be in either the playoff or NY6 bowl in 2024. Get behind Clark and the program.

Maybe we are saying the same thing. Win the conference championship. I’m on board with that. Go Apps, WIN Apps.

[Bigdaddyg1]

So since #1-2 are unrealistic the final two are your realistic expectations? How we doing with the Clark regime?

Who said number 2 is unrealistic? Certainly number one can be attained provided the playoff format is what we believe it will be. This entire debate can center around the words goals, expectations or requirements/results. If a stated requirement for this head coaching job includes winning a Sunbelt championship once every three years (or whatever time frame) then it's a different story. If winning the CCG is a goal included in the contract that pays a bonus that's different. If the AD and powers that be establish a contract with certain expectations (most of which are being met) then there is zero reason to make a change. If the coach has to meet the expectations established by a small percentage of "fans" which apparently includes 10 wins and a CC at least once every 3 years then good luck.

It’s great that you are so negative about Clark and the program. I’m happy for you. Truly. Perhaps you were the some of the people trying to run him out of town this season?

The 6 highest conference champs make the playoff next season. The PAC 12 is over. That means two conference champs from either the AAC, CUSA, MAC, MWC, and Sun Belt will be in the playoff. A 3rd will be in a NY6 bowl. 3/5 conferences. Number 1 and 2 are not unrealistic. They are only unrealistic to people like you who trash our program every chance they get.

Oh my, now you are being silly. Never trashed the program. Expectations for the program is not trashing it. Carry on youngster.

Just giving you facts. 3/5 group of 5 champs will be in either the playoff or NY6 bowl in 2024. Get behind Clark and the program.

Maybe we are saying the same thing. Win the conference championship. I’m on board with that. Go Apps, WIN Apps.

[AppSt94]

I’ve never understood the concept of having expectations of things that one can’t control or affect. Seems rather childish to me.

[311neers]

I’ve never understood the concept of having expectations of things that one can’t control or affect. Seems rather childish to me.

Sound like a government employee.

[AppSt94]

I’ve never understood the concept of having expectations of things that one can’t control or affect. Seems rather childish to me.

Sound like a government employee.

No. Just an adult.

[bcoach]

You can put lipstick on a pig all you want. Those that love Clark, fine....those that don't like Clark, great. Clark isnt the worst coach on earth but he is nowhere near what Satt and Drink were. Will he get there? Who knows. I'll never settle for mediocre or almost the best. Right now I think Clark is the Marv Levy of App State. I saw a post I made on Facebook (memories) when Clark was named coach. I was excited and so happy. Now... I'm just, eh....

Love Satt but is he really a great coach? What was his overall record versus Clark? Not a great body of work to compare but I'd be willing to bet they are close.

Both have strengths the other doesn't have. Both have weaknesses the other doesn't have.

That's your answer after your last statement? You would have fired Scott at his last two coaching stops so I am not sure what your comparison is all about. You also would have fired Dink prior to this season.

[Pikapp79]

I’ve never understood the concept of having expectations of things that one can’t control or affect. Seems rather childish to me.

Wow on so many levels.

[AppSt94]

I’ve never understood the concept of having expectations of things that one can’t control or affect. Seems rather childish to me.

Wow on so many levels.

I’m sure that is your reaction. Your comments suggest that you don’t have a clue about much.

[Pikapp79]

I’ve never understood the concept of having expectations of things that one can’t control or affect. Seems rather childish to me.

Wow on so many levels.

I’m sure that is your reaction. Your comments suggest that you don’t have a clue about much.

Back at you.

[AppOrange]

don't respond with the dudes who clearly have an axe to grind, no point. don't let the 10% who lean so far to one side get the attention . . . .

[spacemonkey]

So since #1-2 are unrealistic the final two are your realistic expectations? How we doing with the Clark regime?

It’s great that you are so negative about Clark and the program. I’m happy for you. Truly. Perhaps you were the some of the people trying to run him out of town this season?

The 6 highest conference champs make the playoff next season. The PAC 12 is over. That means two conference champs from either the AAC, CUSA, MAC, MWC, and Sun Belt will be in the playoff. A 3rd will be in a NY6 bowl. 3/5 conferences. Number 1 and 2 are not unrealistic. They are only unrealistic to people like you who trash our program every chance they get.

Oh my, now you are being silly. Never trashed the program. Expectations for the program is not trashing it. Carry on youngster.

Just giving you facts. 3/5 group of 5 champs will be in either the playoff or NY6 bowl in 2024. Get behind Clark and the program.

Maybe we are saying the same thing. Win the conference championship. I’m on board with that. Go Apps, WIN Apps.

I think you are wrong on the 3/5...the playoffs will count as the g5 spot. I think it will be 2/5 for one year. After that it will be 1/5.

[Seattleapp]

My expectations every single season:

1: go undefeated and win the National Championship
2: play in the NY6 game
3: win the Sunbelt
4: play in and win a bowl game

Number 1 is nearly impossible and as a reasonable and non-delusional fan I don't expect that. If we accomplish number 2 the 3rd is a given.

Those are the goals and expectations I'd set but by the same token not accomplishing the first 3 does not equate to coaching changes. There are other aspects to sports (football) that go beyond those first 3 expectations.

So since #1-2 are unrealistic the final two are your realistic expectations? How we doing with the Clark regime?

Dude you are all over the place with what you agree with vs what you argue with.

[Yosef84]

Since we are playing games with semantics, perhaps folks should figure out the difference between "goals" and "expectations." It looks to me like that's the point of diversion here.

Everybody here agrees that the "goal" is always to win, one game at a time and ultimately championships.

"Expectations" for reasonable people are set based on fact situations that are set and controllable. That's AppSt94's point I think, not that I speak for him. We practice and prepare today based on the goal of winning. So does every opponent that we face. Saying that we "expect" to go undefeated and/or win a championship every year is clearly not a reasonable goal.

Right now, we had a great second half to the season. App is poised to enter the 2024 season as a front runner to play for the championship yet again, yet here we are with the same pissing contest that we've had all year. Seems pretty silly to me.

[appgrad95&97]

This might be one of the best App basketball teams in the last 50 years. Maybe we give football a break for a while. There's actually something else to talk about this winter.

Merry Christmas

[appst89]

I’ve never understood the concept of having expectations of things that one can’t control or affect. Seems rather childish to me.

Do you expect to get up tomorrow? How much control do you have over that?

[Bigdaddyg1]

This can obviously go on forever and frankly I don't see why it's being argued. When a coach gets fired it's often said that he didn't meet the standards set by his AD, president, Chancellor, etc. In reality he didn't meet (probably) the lofty and most likely unrealistic expectation set by boosters. If the powers that be at App State set in stone expectations for the head football coach to win a conference championship at least once every three years we are going to be changing this position a lot. I'm sure that when coach met with his boss they set his goals and discussed expectations. He has bonuses tied to these goals. It appears that he's met most of them. We have loyal fans here whose definition of success varies from others. I think it's safe to say that very few of us believe that 6-6 is acceptable at App State. Last year was brutal and hopefully an anomaly. Looking forward to next season.

Now let's win in hoops!

[AppSt94]

I’ve never understood the concept of having expectations of things that one can’t control or affect. Seems rather childish to me.

Do you expect to get up tomorrow? How much control do you have over that?

Whether I get up in the morning or not is up to a higher power than myself and thus out of my control.

Do I hope to wake up? Yes. If I do, because I have everyday so far, I am grateful. If I don’t, I won’t be Aaron’s to complain about it.

[AppSt94]

Since we are playing games with semantics, perhaps folks should figure out the difference between "goals" and "expectations." It looks to me like that's the point of diversion here.

Everybody here agrees that the "goal" is always to win, one game at a time and ultimately championships.

"Expectations" for reasonable people are set based on fact situations that are set and controllable. That's AppSt94's point I think, not that I speak for him. We practice and prepare today based on the goal of winning. So does every opponent that we face. Saying that we "expect" to go undefeated and/or win a championship every year is clearly not a reasonable goal.

Right now, we had a great second half to the season. App is poised to enter the 2024 season as a front runner to play for the championship yet again, yet here we are with the same pissing contest that we've had all year. Seems pretty silly to me.

This is exactly my point.I have no control over the preparedness, play calling, execution or outcome of the actions or events. Is losing disappointing? Sure. Did I think that we would win Saturday? Yes. Did I expect it? No. There is a difference.

Is it fair to set expectations on a win total before the season starts? No. The variables change too much as the season go on to make such an absolute statement.

Another reason that problems arise from expectations without understanding the unknowns. Now that the season is over, I can speak to three things that occurred this season that most folks weren’t aware of.

1) I’ve seen folks complain about kickoffs not making it to the endzone or not through the endzone. Michael Hughes played with a groin strain the first part of the year. He wasn’t healthy until Monroe.

2) Sticking with Hughes, he was a game time decision on Saturday with the flu.

3) Ryan’s injury to his finger was much worse than folks were led to believe. No it was not a compound fracture and there was no blood as some have reported seeing. Should Clark have put a 3-4 week timeline on return? No. I understand why he would downplay it, but it doesn’t help us common folks out.

[pop5app]

Seems to me the evaluation of this year lies in the middle ( like most things). It wasn’t a great year. It wasn’t a “fireable” year either. Started TERRIBLE ,finished VERY GOOD. I do think we should evaluate the path of the athletic department. Before we spend $150-200 million on a new football “ tower” we should take another look before proceeding. GOOD year not great. Learn to Use the portal . We can’t compete on to the NIL level, concentrate on areas we can still compete.

[BambooRdApp]

Since we are playing games with semantics, perhaps folks should figure out the difference between "goals" and "expectations." It looks to me like that's the point of diversion here.

Everybody here agrees that the "goal" is always to win, one game at a time and ultimately championships.

"Expectations" for reasonable people are set based on fact situations that are set and controllable. That's AppSt94's point I think, not that I speak for him. We practice and prepare today based on the goal of winning. So does every opponent that we face. Saying that we "expect" to go undefeated and/or win a championship every year is clearly not a reasonable goal.

Right now, we had a great second half to the season. App is poised to enter the 2024 season as a front runner to play for the championship yet again, yet here we are with the same pissing contest that we've had all year. Seems pretty silly to me.

I agree with you 100% that goals and expectations are two different ideas. The goal every year should be to go 1-0 each week, win East, win SBC Championship and the bowl game. ULM should have the same goal as App each year going into the season. I also think as fans it is fine to have expectations based upon where we appear to be going into the season. The idea of expectations are subjective to a certain extent to each individual. Some have unrealistic expectations, some have realistic expectations and some none. We have been very blessed at App. St. for how well our football program has done over the years. In many peoples mind, this sets a ground floor higher minimum of expectations for any year at App as compared to maybe ULM. Coach Clark, assistants, staff and players are all well aware of this. This is why kids want to come to App....to hopefully play for championships.
For App. St , if we are not meeting our goals of conference championships on a regular basis, it is a disappointment to all the above and the fan base. I believe all the above mentioned would rather be in that type of program than not. If the goals are not met over a period of time, the hard decisions will have to be made for what is best for program. I believe that 2024 the goals and expectations increase for the coaching staff as they have their players and recruits that are getting to the upper class man level....and, yes, I am a Coach Clark supporter as App. St.'s head coach until he is not. I hope he is for as long as I am a fan as I believe this means we are doing well and consistently well.
Let's Go App. St.!!

Someone suggesting we should set football aside to focus on basketball.. bahahaha.
Let's be real. We can do both. This is a message board. We are not practicing and preparing for games

Let's Go App. St. ....all sports programs!!