I've had it

[appst89]

It's interesting that Eliot in spite of not recruiting many OL that he was wanted by many on here and another board to succeed Moore.

I never realized he was the recruiting coordinator.

Whoever was involved clearly dropped the ball.

I don't recall what role Elliot had, but the position coaches are just as involved as the recruiting coordinator.

That's great. In spite of what you and some others seem to believe, my position is not my position because I want to make a bad example of Coach Moore. My position is my position because our recruiting suffered for several consecutive years after 2007 and it makes no sense. Whoever was involved, from the head coach to the water boy, dropped the ball and we're paying the price for it this year.

As I said above, it isn't the only problem we have, but it is a huge part of it.

[JTApps1]

Who are we red shirting?

I've yet to see a list or even educated assumptions.

I'll start.

Definitely

DE Blair (although he is listed as the starter this week)
OL Gosett
WR Jones
WR Capel
QB Lamb
RB Upshaw
LB Wright
LB Norwood
LB Vinson
DB Pinckiney
DB Garnett

Maybe
OL Barnard
OL Collmar
OL Fernadez

Can anyone confirm?

Norwood has been in the rotation at DE so he is out.

[JTApps1]

Listening to a sports talk show on Saturday leaving the game, and heard the announcer saying
that ASU redshirted 30 players this year. Basically, giving up on this year to prepare for next year.
If this is true, SAD!!!

I don't think you can blame Satterfield for redshirting as many players as possible. Before the season started nobody including the staff would have thought we would be 1-6 at this point. They played a few guys right away (Cox, Townes, Gilchrist) in spots we had no other options. Lets face it, some of the experienced players aren't performing like they were expected to. At this point it would be insane to pull the RS off some of the guys just to POSSIBLY win 2 or 3 games. Also, a large number of RS players were preferred walk-ons so you can't really count them the same.

[Maddog1956]

Let's just lay the "Lack of Recruiting" BS to rest.

Then where are the linemen? Why did we only make one offer in 2008 and three in 2009? Some of us have been saying it for several years that the recruiting suffered after the championships and the Michigan win when it should have surged.

Recruiting isn't the only reason we're in the shape we're in this year, but to ignore its impact is to have your head planted firmly in the sand.

Maybe they just didn't want to come? Sure he have got that went to another school that was in our league, who did we miss? That's what I want to know is the lineman that based on Rival (etc) we should have got (better rated they the ones we got) that went to another SoCon school that didn't have a ties with them. Maybe there just haven't been any linemen, because we had them before. Seriously, I just want to know the ones we missed.

[JCline0429]

It's interesting that Eliot in spite of not recruiting many OL that he was wanted by many on here and another board to succeed Moore.

I never realized he was the recruiting coordinator.

Whoever was involved clearly dropped the ball.

I don't recall what role Elliot had, but the position coaches are just as involved as the recruiting coordinator.

That's great. In spite of what you and some others seem to believe, my position is not my position because I want to make a bad example of Coach Moore. My position is my position because our recruiting suffered for several consecutive years after 2007 and it makes no sense. Whoever was involved, from the head coach to the water boy, dropped the ball and we're paying the price for it this year.

As I said above, it isn't the only problem we have, but it is a huge part of it.

I don't recall stating what your position was. I just think at this time in our history, it serves no useful purpose to blame anyone. We can't go back and fire Moore after 2007 and we can't go back and hire a more experienced head coach in 2012. We can't recruit those we missed or failed to go after x number of years ago.
I do find it disingenuous for the same ones who praised the hiring of Satterfield now call for his firing at season's end. To each his own.

As to recruiting suffering since 2007, how many All-Americans, how many All-Socon, how many NFL players have we fielded since 2007? Just saying.

[appst89]

It's interesting that Eliot in spite of not recruiting many OL that he was wanted by many on here and another board to succeed Moore.

I never realized he was the recruiting coordinator.

Whoever was involved clearly dropped the ball.

I don't recall what role Elliot had, but the position coaches are just as involved as the recruiting coordinator.

That's great. In spite of what you and some others seem to believe, my position is not my position because I want to make a bad example of Coach Moore. My position is my position because our recruiting suffered for several consecutive years after 2007 and it makes no sense. Whoever was involved, from the head coach to the water boy, dropped the ball and we're paying the price for it this year.

As I said above, it isn't the only problem we have, but it is a huge part of it.

I don't recall stating what your position was. I just think at this time in our history, it serves no useful purpose to blame anyone. We can't go back and fire Moore after 2007 and we can't go back and hire a more experienced head coach in 2012. We can't recruit those we missed or failed to go after x number of years ago.
I do find it disingenuous for the same ones who praised the hiring of Satterfield now call for his firing at season's end. To each his own.

I don't recall calling for anyone's firing. I do, though, seem to recall this thread discussing the reasons for why we are where we are now. The failure to capitalize on recruiting momentum of three championships and a win at Michigan is a big reason why. Pointing that out does not suggest that anyone should have been fired in 2007 or someone else hired in 2012, it is just a fact.

And to answer your edit, how many of those were linemen? Just saying.

[appst89]

Let's just lay the "Lack of Recruiting" BS to rest.

Then where are the linemen? Why did we only make one offer in 2008 and three in 2009? Some of us have been saying it for several years that the recruiting suffered after the championships and the Michigan win when it should have surged.

Recruiting isn't the only reason we're in the shape we're in this year, but to ignore its impact is to have your head planted firmly in the sand.

Maybe they just didn't want to come? Sure he have got that went to another school that was in our league, who did we miss? That's what I want to know is the lineman that based on Rival (etc) we should have got (better rated they the ones we got) that went to another SoCon school that didn't have a ties with them. Maybe there just haven't been any linemen, because we had them before. Seriously, I just want to know the ones we missed.

Since we only offered one in 2008 and three in 2009, I'd say we missed on every one we didn't offer.

[JCline0429]

Glenn, I wasn't speaking of you, just the ones who have called for his firing, just as I didn't speak to your opinion about Moore's recruiting or lack thereof..

[JCline0429]

I'd love to know where fans got the statistics on who we recruited or didn't recruit, who we offered or didn't offer, etc.

[Maddog1956]

Let's just lay the "Lack of Recruiting" BS to rest.

Then where are the linemen? Why did we only make one offer in 2008 and three in 2009? Some of us have been saying it for several years that the recruiting suffered after the championships and the Michigan win when it should have surged.

Recruiting isn't the only reason we're in the shape we're in this year, but to ignore its impact is to have your head planted firmly in the sand.

Maybe they just didn't want to come? Sure he have got that went to another school that was in our league, who did we miss? That's what I want to know is the lineman that based on Rival (etc) we should have got (better rated they the ones we got) that went to another SoCon school that didn't have a ties with them. Maybe there just haven't been any linemen, because we had them before. Seriously, I just want to know the ones we missed.

Since we only offered one in 2008 and three in 2009, I'd say we missed on every one we didn't offer.

You only need 1 if it's the right one and you don't need 10 if their not any good. If we would have offered 6 everyone would be saying we only got linemen. I'm just wondering who these great players are that got away.

But I'm not going to debate that this or that player got away, but we have had problems on both sides of the ball and it's nothing that having got 1 - 5 players (that we could have got) would have changed. Better recruiting wouldn't have shown (or fixed) what was going to happen to JLJ or Price, the JM/CC train wreak or the team being unprepared. If anyone thinks that over the last 3 years we would have gotten the top 10 players that went in the SoCon and it would have made a total difference, we just have to agree to disagree.

[Maddog1956]

I'd love to know where fans got the statistics on who we recruited or didn't recruit, who we offered or didn't offer, etc.

Me too....these great players that went to other SoCon schools and have turned their programs around. It really doesn't look to me like these schools are beating us because their linemen are just so much better.

[bcoach]

This whole recruiting thing is just more George Bush did it.

[Maddog1956]

This whole recruiting thing is just more George Bush did it.

I little different because the economy tanked while he was still in but I get your point.

[asunewbie]

Listening to a sports talk show on Saturday leaving the game, and heard the announcer saying
that ASU redshirted 30 players this year. Basically, giving up on this year to prepare for next year.
If this is true, SAD!!!

I don't quite see how that is sad? Common sense says save them for the Sun Belt. 2014 is a transition and no bowl opportunity. 2015 those players who will be R-Sophomores will then have 2 years of college experience and 1 year of actually playing with the big boys. Not to mention that our solid 2014 class will also have that 1 year of playing experience going into a bowl eligible year.

[t4pizza]

We will be fine.....This is why


2012 Auburn Tigers Final Record: 3-9, 0-8 (SEC)

2013 Auburn Tigers 6-1, 2nd in West Division SEC and ranked #11

APP WILL BE FINE TOO, MIGHT NOT BE NEXT YEAR, BUT WE WILL BE BACK TO WINNING SOON....

Every team has down years..... we could end up 3-9 starting this week with GSU

The problem with that example is that Auburn fired the coach that led them to 3-9 and then hired the coach (who was the o coordinator for the national title team) that turned them around. Our team seems to be the inverse, we fired the coach with the good record and hired the o coordinator from our title teams only to see the record plummet off a cliff. But, I get your point, and hopefully this year is an anomaly.

[asufan87]

Could have had one of the best OL coaches out there. Remember Darren Hiller? We had him on the hook and dropped the ball. Failure to execute.

http://coachingsearch.com/article?a=10- ... his-season

[Maddog1956]

Listening to a sports talk show on Saturday leaving the game, and heard the announcer saying
that ASU redshirted 30 players this year. Basically, giving up on this year to prepare for next year.
If this is true, SAD!!!

I don't know what the reason behind was, but if it's true that it was to save them for next year it's a gutsy move and hopefully it pays off. Can't it was the right thing to do or not but it sure took guts.

[JCline0429]

This whole recruiting thing is just more George Bush did it.

That's what I said in several posts.

[JCline0429]

Listening to a sports talk show on Saturday leaving the game, and heard the announcer saying
that ASU redshirted 30 players this year. Basically, giving up on this year to prepare for next year.
If this is true, SAD!!!

I don't know what the reason behind was, but if it's true that it was to save them for next year it's a gutsy move and hopefully it pays off. Can't it was the right thing to do or not but it sure took guts.

30 is too many, but I get his strategy.

[JCline0429]

This whole recruiting thing is just more George Bush did it.

I little different because the economy tanked while he was still in but I get your point.

And with both houses under Democrat control his last two years. Just saying.

I know, moderators, take it to the other folder.