Emotions vs. Analytics

[ASUFan4863]

I think expectations and pressure are the biggest culprit. If you know Joey’s story, you know that this is the first season in his college life that he was the guy. Add in the pressure of the defense being very bad so far this year and his own expectations, it can be tough.

I saw this against South Al when he was arguing with the ref numerous times. It struck me as the first time “Joey Cool” was not very cool. Add in the taunting penalty against Marshall, numerous bad decisions against ULL and it just seems like he is not playing within himself right now.

This break will be a huge chance for him to take a break, ground himself and his thoughts to hopefully come back strong for a bowl push.

[Saint3333]

I wondered how long it would take for a few of you to turn on our QB - never ceases to amaze

Not as quick as you turned on Neal Brown.

[Mjohn1988]

The little bit of information I was able to find on NIL money in the G5 would suggest that Joey isn’t getting that much money. Again there isn’t much info out there but what I did find would suggest that NIL money isn’t really a big deal in the G5 except when it moves players up to the P4. I would really like to see some hard data on NIL money. Truth is, without collectives, which have completely perverted NIL, there wouldn’t be a player on our team that could go out and make a substantial NIL deal. That’s not bashing our guys and it’s not just a reflection on this year. Can anyone give me a G5 player that has enough name recognition to garner a real substantial NIL deal. Heck, there are only a few in the P4. Guess it doesn’t really matter because collectives exist and it’s simply pay to play. If you could fix the collectives issue NIL issues would go away completely.

I heard he is getting 100k but no clue if that is right.

What I was able to find suggested that the very top players in the G5, mostly QBs might get 50k. Thats nothing to sneeze at and I’m sure even 50k would affect decisions on where to play. 100k would certainly move guys around. Again, I would really like to see some hard numbers. I don’t think we will ever get that kind of information.

[Mjohn1988]

Joey looks like a guy who desperately wants to win and thinks with good reason that we must score every time we have the ball. I think he needs to just step back and realize an obvious thing, we can’t score if we don’t have the ball.

[AppStFan1]

The little bit of information I was able to find on NIL money in the G5 would suggest that Joey isn’t getting that much money. Again there isn’t much info out there but what I did find would suggest that NIL money isn’t really a big deal in the G5 except when it moves players up to the P4. I would really like to see some hard data on NIL money. Truth is, without collectives, which have completely perverted NIL, there wouldn’t be a player on our team that could go out and make a substantial NIL deal. That’s not bashing our guys and it’s not just a reflection on this year. Can anyone give me a G5 player that has enough name recognition to garner a real substantial NIL deal. Heck, there are only a few in the P4. Guess it doesn’t really matter because collectives exist and it’s simply pay to play. If you could fix the collectives issue NIL issues would go away completely.

I heard he is getting 100k but no clue if that is right.

What I was able to find suggested that the very top players in the G5, mostly QBs might get 50k. Thats nothing to sneeze at and I’m sure even 50k would affect decisions on where to play. 100k would certainly move guys around. Again, I would really like to see some hard numbers. I don’t think we will ever get that kind of information.

I would like to see it as well. I actually think that boosters should have a right to see the NIL numbers for their team.

[WVAPPeer]

You are referring to a post 2 1/2 yrs ago. What a joke because you will whine and bitch about something every week

[Saint3333]

I give credit when warranted and will provide critique as well. You only point out one side of those posts. You struggle with that concept.

Nor do i pretend to be virtuous to the fanbase of my second team while asking to fire the coach on my favorite team.

[appstatealum]

Joey is not the problem with this team, his play is a reflection of the problem. Putting someone else in will just traumatize another player.

[T-Dog]

Last year during our turn around, it was said part of the offensive change was going more quick as Joey felt more comfortable with that.

With the radio in the helmets now and us huddling more often, I wonder if that's playing a role too.

I'm interested in that as well. Clark seems to revel in running way more plays and controlling the ball.

The team really started to huddle all the time at ECU and Joey hasn't really had a Joey Dimes game since.

[Bigdaddyg1]

Most popular player is typically the backup quarterback. Joey is often trying to hard to make things happen. Awful decisions at times but his wow moments are great. He’s way down the list of issues. Can’t overcome a 21 point deficit by himself.

[BallantyneApp]

Last year during our turn around, it was said part of the offensive change was going more quick as Joey felt more comfortable with that.

With the radio in the helmets now and us huddling more often, I wonder if that's playing a role too.

I'm interested in that as well. Clark seems to revel in running way more plays and controlling the ball.

The team really started to huddle all the time at ECU and Joey hasn't really had a Joey Dimes game since.

i think they are intentionally trying to keep the D off the field as much as possible, which is a fair goal I guess. But pick your poison either limit the O or expose the D.

[Saint3333]

I like the longer ball-control drives. That means we are executing in the run game and higher percentage short passing game.

Keeping your defense off the field is usually a good thing, unless it's Clemson or USA running past you quickly.

[KentHogan]

Personally I think Joey is the least of our issues. Any competitive QB is going to start to press and force things when he knows how awful the defense is playing.

I think his play would be much more stable if the team as a whole was better.

This team my not be the worst we’ve seen but it’s certainly one of the most disappointing.

That disappointment eventually takes its toll on individual players.

[Yosef1986]

We do need to remember that we are talking about 18 to 22(or more) year old's trying to navigate growing up, college, football etc.... It is a lot for all of them. Win I was at App - my biggest decision was the brand of beer for the night!!

[Saint3333]

Personally I think Joey is the least of our issues. Any competitive QB is going to start to press and force things when he knows how awful the defense is playing.

I think his play would be much more stable if the team as a whole was better.

This team my not be the worst we’ve seen but it’s certainly one of the most disappointing.

That disappointment eventually takes its toll on individual players.

Interesting during the press conference Clark mentioned changes on defense for the ULL game. They did play better, part of that is ULL's QB, but still better tackling and fundamentals overall.

This is the second straight year we've had to make major changes on defense mid-season, partially due to injury, but partially due to playing older players versus younger ones.

Unsure what is the root cause of these needed adjustments, but it's a mix of injuries, players understanding the scheme, and talent assessment in camp/early season. Somewhat concerned that last item is a larger percentage.

[bcoach]

Joey has always made bad decisions. We just don't have the guys to make up for it this year so he makes more. We don't have the run game, we don't have the OL period. Joey is a gunslinger and all that entails. We need a number two to get some time at least to see if things better. We also need to find out if we have an answer for next year. It has been a long standing deal with our coaching staffs for many, many years to NEVER give any meaningful munutes to the backup no matter the score. We have been lucky to always find the next man up over the years. Eventualy luck runs out. If ever there was a time that I would give some time it is now. Just my humble opinion.

[ASU843]

Has the second team qb taken a snap this year?

[MrCraig]

The title of this thread is “Emotions vs. Analytics,” but there’s absolutely zero analytics discussed. Joey sucks this year because the rest of the team sucks. Just like the start of last year, the offensive playcalling is not focusing on his strengths.

Do we really think he’s only playing because of NIL money? Anyone who pays a player is making an investment. That investment might not work out. Any coach making decisions based on that shouldn’t be coaching.

The problem, every single problem with this team, comes down to poor coaching. We’ve been talking about this for three years now.

You want analytics, look at the first half of last year vs. the second half vs. the first half of the season this year. All the issues are the same. They get fixed for a time, then get broken again.

[rbarthle17]

Personally, Joey is the best example of what's wrong with this team. He was Joey Dimes last year. He had one of the best statistical years of any FBS QB. Now this year.

He's the same kid as last year. He made a ton of questionable decisions that paid off. A lot of 50/50 balls hit for us last year. Along with everything else going wrong for us this year, those 50/50 balls aren't hitting either.

[bcoach]

Personally, Joey is the best example of what's wrong with this team. He was Joey Dimes last year. He had one of the best statistical years of any FBS QB. Now this year.

He's the same kid as last year. He made a ton of questionable decisions that paid off. A lot of 50/50 balls hit for us last year. Along with everything else going wrong for us this year, those 50/50 balls aren't hitting either.

Bingo