Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

AppStFan1
Posts: 6831
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:37 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 935 times
Been thanked: 1850 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:28 pm

Bootsy wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:43 pm
Caution should be taken here not to paint with a broad brush. The financial realities, staffing levels and staff efficacy at each institution vary widely and due to any number of factors.

Outside of the top/bottom of the college sports food chain, I’m not sure it’s fair to make arbitrary judgements based on the size of a school’s current athletic staffing/budget.
They differ depending on the level. I guess my point is that if you compare D2 schools to even G5 schools you see a size difference. Many jobs are a luxury to have. Do you want to pay more to get higher caliber or just hire more low caliber workers for less? If we get someone really good in personnel, coaching, operations, etc they won’t stay for 10 years anymore. The good ones go where the pay is. We will always be a revolving door due to lower pay unless we do a great job of hiring the up and comers and just be prepared to replace them every 2-4 years.

Again, we have people who continue to bring up the lack of money but I want to find ways to overcome. If we can’t generate 10M more a year and we aren’t going to restructure our staffing then what is the solution? Do we have folks who just want to make excuses and complain about funding yearly? Unless those folks have solutions or they can spend the money I don’t see the reason in bringing it up is my point. It is old news and pointless to keep reminding us. We all know it. If we had tons of money we would be in a P4 league.

User avatar
Bootsy
Posts: 1703
Joined: Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:28 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 473 times
Been thanked: 1099 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by Bootsy » Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:03 pm

AppStFan1 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:28 pm
Bootsy wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:43 pm
Caution should be taken here not to paint with a broad brush. The financial realities, staffing levels and staff efficacy at each institution vary widely and due to any number of factors.

Outside of the top/bottom of the college sports food chain, I’m not sure it’s fair to make arbitrary judgements based on the size of a school’s current athletic staffing/budget.
They differ depending on the level. I guess my point is that if you compare D2 schools to even G5 schools you see a size difference. Many jobs are a luxury to have. Do you want to pay more to get higher caliber or just hire more low caliber workers for less? If we get someone really good in personnel, coaching, operations, etc they won’t stay for 10 years anymore. The good ones go where the pay is. We will always be a revolving door due to lower pay unless we do a great job of hiring the up and comers and just be prepared to replace them every 2-4 years.

Again, we have people who continue to bring up the lack of money but I want to find ways to overcome. If we can’t generate 10M more a year and we aren’t going to restructure our staffing then what is the solution? Do we have folks who just want to make excuses and complain about funding yearly? Unless those folks have solutions or they can spend the money I don’t see the reason in bringing it up is my point. It is old news and pointless to keep reminding us. We all know it. If we had tons of money we would be in a P4 league.
Again, it’s best not to paint with a broad brush.

Many viable (read: high-impact, cost-effective and simple to execute) fundraising ideas have been presented to Gillin over the years, both from internal and (reputable) external sources. But he’s elected not to pursue most of them.

The exception has been the Spring events: a mess last year when TIGMA ran it, but much better this year when AD planned/ran it.

Any one of us can come up with viable fundraising activities, either by copycatting or thinking up new initiatives. But if Gillin doesn’t want to pursue them or doesn’t have the manpower, nothing is going to happen.

So maybe it isn’t everyone just complaining and doing nothing like usual. Again, there is a lot that goes on inside that program that we cannot see.

BambooRdApp
Posts: 5910
Joined: Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:32 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 2266 times
Been thanked: 3892 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:37 pm

Bootsy wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:03 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:28 pm
Bootsy wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:43 pm
Caution should be taken here not to paint with a broad brush. The financial realities, staffing levels and staff efficacy at each institution vary widely and due to any number of factors.

Outside of the top/bottom of the college sports food chain, I’m not sure it’s fair to make arbitrary judgements based on the size of a school’s current athletic staffing/budget.
They differ depending on the level. I guess my point is that if you compare D2 schools to even G5 schools you see a size difference. Many jobs are a luxury to have. Do you want to pay more to get higher caliber or just hire more low caliber workers for less? If we get someone really good in personnel, coaching, operations, etc they won’t stay for 10 years anymore. The good ones go where the pay is. We will always be a revolving door due to lower pay unless we do a great job of hiring the up and comers and just be prepared to replace them every 2-4 years.

Again, we have people who continue to bring up the lack of money but I want to find ways to overcome. If we can’t generate 10M more a year and we aren’t going to restructure our staffing then what is the solution? Do we have folks who just want to make excuses and complain about funding yearly? Unless those folks have solutions or they can spend the money I don’t see the reason in bringing it up is my point. It is old news and pointless to keep reminding us. We all know it. If we had tons of money we would be in a P4 league.
Again, it’s best not to paint with a broad brush.

Many viable (read: high-impact, cost-effective and simple to execute) fundraising ideas have been presented to Gillin over the years, both from internal and (reputable) external sources. But he’s elected not to pursue most of them.

The exception has been the Spring events: a mess last year when TIGMA ran it, but much better this year when AD planned/ran it.

Any one of us can come up with viable fundraising activities, either by copycatting or thinking up new initiatives. But if Gillin doesn’t want to pursue them or doesn’t have the manpower, nothing is going to happen.

So maybe it isn’t everyone just complaining and doing nothing like usual. Again, there is a lot that goes on inside that program that we cannot see.
We can just eliminate the LB coach, FB, coach and DL coach.. We have a DC perform all those activities. Just pay him a few dollars more.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Today I Give My All For Appalachian State!!
#FreeMillerHillForMoMoney!!

AppStFan1
Posts: 6831
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:37 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 935 times
Been thanked: 1850 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:42 pm

Bootsy wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:03 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:28 pm
Bootsy wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:43 pm
Caution should be taken here not to paint with a broad brush. The financial realities, staffing levels and staff efficacy at each institution vary widely and due to any number of factors.

Outside of the top/bottom of the college sports food chain, I’m not sure it’s fair to make arbitrary judgements based on the size of a school’s current athletic staffing/budget.
They differ depending on the level. I guess my point is that if you compare D2 schools to even G5 schools you see a size difference. Many jobs are a luxury to have. Do you want to pay more to get higher caliber or just hire more low caliber workers for less? If we get someone really good in personnel, coaching, operations, etc they won’t stay for 10 years anymore. The good ones go where the pay is. We will always be a revolving door due to lower pay unless we do a great job of hiring the up and comers and just be prepared to replace them every 2-4 years.

Again, we have people who continue to bring up the lack of money but I want to find ways to overcome. If we can’t generate 10M more a year and we aren’t going to restructure our staffing then what is the solution? Do we have folks who just want to make excuses and complain about funding yearly? Unless those folks have solutions or they can spend the money I don’t see the reason in bringing it up is my point. It is old news and pointless to keep reminding us. We all know it. If we had tons of money we would be in a P4 league.
Again, it’s best not to paint with a broad brush.

Many viable (read: high-impact, cost-effective and simple to execute) fundraising ideas have been presented to Gillin over the years, both from internal and (reputable) external sources. But he’s elected not to pursue most of them.

The exception has been the Spring events: a mess last year when TIGMA ran it, but much better this year when AD planned/ran it.

Any one of us can come up with viable fundraising activities, either by copycatting or thinking up new initiatives. But if Gillin doesn’t want to pursue them or doesn’t have the manpower, nothing is going to happen.

So maybe it isn’t everyone just complaining and doing nothing like usual. Again, there is a lot that goes on inside that program that we cannot see.
My complaint is that some of you seem defeated and accept it but just want to complain about it. I like the strategy from this new staff so far and hope that they are coaching and developing our players well enough that it translates to wins.

To you, AppSt94 and others what do you think is the reason? Gillin does not care? We have incompetent people? Do we need a cleansing of the athletic department outside of the coaches? I get tired of hearing complaints and want to hear solutions. If there are no viable solutions then do we accept it? I like to think there has to be outside the box things we can do and our coaches can be creative as well but I just want to hear thoughts from those who are bringing up low money all the time.

AppStFan1
Posts: 6831
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:37 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 935 times
Been thanked: 1850 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:43 pm

BambooRdApp wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:37 pm
Bootsy wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:03 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:28 pm
Bootsy wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:43 pm
Caution should be taken here not to paint with a broad brush. The financial realities, staffing levels and staff efficacy at each institution vary widely and due to any number of factors.

Outside of the top/bottom of the college sports food chain, I’m not sure it’s fair to make arbitrary judgements based on the size of a school’s current athletic staffing/budget.
They differ depending on the level. I guess my point is that if you compare D2 schools to even G5 schools you see a size difference. Many jobs are a luxury to have. Do you want to pay more to get higher caliber or just hire more low caliber workers for less? If we get someone really good in personnel, coaching, operations, etc they won’t stay for 10 years anymore. The good ones go where the pay is. We will always be a revolving door due to lower pay unless we do a great job of hiring the up and comers and just be prepared to replace them every 2-4 years.

Again, we have people who continue to bring up the lack of money but I want to find ways to overcome. If we can’t generate 10M more a year and we aren’t going to restructure our staffing then what is the solution? Do we have folks who just want to make excuses and complain about funding yearly? Unless those folks have solutions or they can spend the money I don’t see the reason in bringing it up is my point. It is old news and pointless to keep reminding us. We all know it. If we had tons of money we would be in a P4 league.
Again, it’s best not to paint with a broad brush.

Many viable (read: high-impact, cost-effective and simple to execute) fundraising ideas have been presented to Gillin over the years, both from internal and (reputable) external sources. But he’s elected not to pursue most of them.

The exception has been the Spring events: a mess last year when TIGMA ran it, but much better this year when AD planned/ran it.

Any one of us can come up with viable fundraising activities, either by copycatting or thinking up new initiatives. But if Gillin doesn’t want to pursue them or doesn’t have the manpower, nothing is going to happen.

So maybe it isn’t everyone just complaining and doing nothing like usual. Again, there is a lot that goes on inside that program that we cannot see.
We can just eliminate the LB coach, FB, coach and DL coach.. We have a DC perform all those activities. Just pay him a few dollars more.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You guys are making jokes but I am serious. Do you have any answers to my questions or ideas that can help us? I know this is a message board but I would hope we have someone with some ideas.

AppStFan1
Posts: 6831
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:37 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 935 times
Been thanked: 1850 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:49 pm

I feel like some of you are telling me we have bad leadership just like we have had and continue to have at the NCAA level with info like what is in this post.


AppSt94
Posts: 11477
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:39 pm
School: Appalachian State
Location: Huntersville, NC
Has thanked: 7771 times
Been thanked: 4931 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by AppSt94 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:01 pm

AppStFan1 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:42 pm
Bootsy wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:03 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:28 pm
Bootsy wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:43 pm
Caution should be taken here not to paint with a broad brush. The financial realities, staffing levels and staff efficacy at each institution vary widely and due to any number of factors.

Outside of the top/bottom of the college sports food chain, I’m not sure it’s fair to make arbitrary judgements based on the size of a school’s current athletic staffing/budget.
They differ depending on the level. I guess my point is that if you compare D2 schools to even G5 schools you see a size difference. Many jobs are a luxury to have. Do you want to pay more to get higher caliber or just hire more low caliber workers for less? If we get someone really good in personnel, coaching, operations, etc they won’t stay for 10 years anymore. The good ones go where the pay is. We will always be a revolving door due to lower pay unless we do a great job of hiring the up and comers and just be prepared to replace them every 2-4 years.

Again, we have people who continue to bring up the lack of money but I want to find ways to overcome. If we can’t generate 10M more a year and we aren’t going to restructure our staffing then what is the solution? Do we have folks who just want to make excuses and complain about funding yearly? Unless those folks have solutions or they can spend the money I don’t see the reason in bringing it up is my point. It is old news and pointless to keep reminding us. We all know it. If we had tons of money we would be in a P4 league.
Again, it’s best not to paint with a broad brush.

Many viable (read: high-impact, cost-effective and simple to execute) fundraising ideas have been presented to Gillin over the years, both from internal and (reputable) external sources. But he’s elected not to pursue most of them.

The exception has been the Spring events: a mess last year when TIGMA ran it, but much better this year when AD planned/ran it.

Any one of us can come up with viable fundraising activities, either by copycatting or thinking up new initiatives. But if Gillin doesn’t want to pursue them or doesn’t have the manpower, nothing is going to happen.

So maybe it isn’t everyone just complaining and doing nothing like usual. Again, there is a lot that goes on inside that program that we cannot see.
My complaint is that some of you seem defeated and accept it but just want to complain about it. I like the strategy from this new staff so far and hope that they are coaching and developing our players well enough that it translates to wins.

To you, AppSt94 and others what do you think is the reason? Gillin does not care? We have incompetent people? Do we need a cleansing of the athletic department outside of the coaches? I get tired of hearing complaints and want to hear solutions. If there are no viable solutions then do we accept it? I like to think there has to be outside the box things we can do and our coaches can be creative as well but I just want to hear thoughts from those who are bringing up low money all the time.
It’s called accepting reality. It’s a math problem that you can’t seem to grasp. It’s easy to sit behind your computer screen and be critical of things that you don’t understand and of those that aren’t doing what you think needs to be done. If you don’t think that the leadership is the right leadership then do something about it. Call Chancellor Norris and complain. See how that goes. You see you can have your ideas on what you think is the problem and think that you possess the solution that will deliver App Football to salvation. But the reality is you can’t change the momentum by coming on a message board and complaining about it. This is not the audience that can do anything about it.

AppStFan1
Posts: 6831
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:37 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 935 times
Been thanked: 1850 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:59 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:01 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:42 pm
Bootsy wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:03 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:28 pm
Bootsy wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:43 pm
Caution should be taken here not to paint with a broad brush. The financial realities, staffing levels and staff efficacy at each institution vary widely and due to any number of factors.

Outside of the top/bottom of the college sports food chain, I’m not sure it’s fair to make arbitrary judgements based on the size of a school’s current athletic staffing/budget.
They differ depending on the level. I guess my point is that if you compare D2 schools to even G5 schools you see a size difference. Many jobs are a luxury to have. Do you want to pay more to get higher caliber or just hire more low caliber workers for less? If we get someone really good in personnel, coaching, operations, etc they won’t stay for 10 years anymore. The good ones go where the pay is. We will always be a revolving door due to lower pay unless we do a great job of hiring the up and comers and just be prepared to replace them every 2-4 years.

Again, we have people who continue to bring up the lack of money but I want to find ways to overcome. If we can’t generate 10M more a year and we aren’t going to restructure our staffing then what is the solution? Do we have folks who just want to make excuses and complain about funding yearly? Unless those folks have solutions or they can spend the money I don’t see the reason in bringing it up is my point. It is old news and pointless to keep reminding us. We all know it. If we had tons of money we would be in a P4 league.
Again, it’s best not to paint with a broad brush.

Many viable (read: high-impact, cost-effective and simple to execute) fundraising ideas have been presented to Gillin over the years, both from internal and (reputable) external sources. But he’s elected not to pursue most of them.

The exception has been the Spring events: a mess last year when TIGMA ran it, but much better this year when AD planned/ran it.

Any one of us can come up with viable fundraising activities, either by copycatting or thinking up new initiatives. But if Gillin doesn’t want to pursue them or doesn’t have the manpower, nothing is going to happen.

So maybe it isn’t everyone just complaining and doing nothing like usual. Again, there is a lot that goes on inside that program that we cannot see.
My complaint is that some of you seem defeated and accept it but just want to complain about it. I like the strategy from this new staff so far and hope that they are coaching and developing our players well enough that it translates to wins.

To you, AppSt94 and others what do you think is the reason? Gillin does not care? We have incompetent people? Do we need a cleansing of the athletic department outside of the coaches? I get tired of hearing complaints and want to hear solutions. If there are no viable solutions then do we accept it? I like to think there has to be outside the box things we can do and our coaches can be creative as well but I just want to hear thoughts from those who are bringing up low money all the time.
It’s called accepting reality. It’s a math problem that you can’t seem to grasp. It’s easy to sit behind your computer screen and be critical of things that you don’t understand and of those that aren’t doing what you think needs to be done. If you don’t think that the leadership is the right leadership then do something about it. Call Chancellor Norris and complain. See how that goes. You see you can have your ideas on what you think is the problem and think that you possess the solution that will deliver App Football to salvation. But the reality is you can’t change the momentum by coming on a message board and complaining about it. This is not the audience that can do anything about it.
I'm not the one who keeps bringing up the lack of money. I am just asking for people to give me solutions since they keep talking about it. I do understand the math. I get that there is a budget and only so much can be done. So if this is the audience that can't do anything about it why do we keep bringing up the money issues like it is a revelation? I have had to deal with a VERY tight budget before but like I said sometimes you have to be creative. I have never been in a situation where I had money to burn like Texas or LSU or Michigan. Every SBC school has a budget but my main point is that we are still among the top in the league so we should still expect to be a good team within our own conference and that is all we should expect.

AppSt94
Posts: 11477
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:39 pm
School: Appalachian State
Location: Huntersville, NC
Has thanked: 7771 times
Been thanked: 4931 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by AppSt94 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:38 pm

AppStFan1 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:59 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:01 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:42 pm
Bootsy wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:03 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:28 pm


They differ depending on the level. I guess my point is that if you compare D2 schools to even G5 schools you see a size difference. Many jobs are a luxury to have. Do you want to pay more to get higher caliber or just hire more low caliber workers for less? If we get someone really good in personnel, coaching, operations, etc they won’t stay for 10 years anymore. The good ones go where the pay is. We will always be a revolving door due to lower pay unless we do a great job of hiring the up and comers and just be prepared to replace them every 2-4 years.

Again, we have people who continue to bring up the lack of money but I want to find ways to overcome. If we can’t generate 10M more a year and we aren’t going to restructure our staffing then what is the solution? Do we have folks who just want to make excuses and complain about funding yearly? Unless those folks have solutions or they can spend the money I don’t see the reason in bringing it up is my point. It is old news and pointless to keep reminding us. We all know it. If we had tons of money we would be in a P4 league.
Again, it’s best not to paint with a broad brush.

Many viable (read: high-impact, cost-effective and simple to execute) fundraising ideas have been presented to Gillin over the years, both from internal and (reputable) external sources. But he’s elected not to pursue most of them.

The exception has been the Spring events: a mess last year when TIGMA ran it, but much better this year when AD planned/ran it.

Any one of us can come up with viable fundraising activities, either by copycatting or thinking up new initiatives. But if Gillin doesn’t want to pursue them or doesn’t have the manpower, nothing is going to happen.

So maybe it isn’t everyone just complaining and doing nothing like usual. Again, there is a lot that goes on inside that program that we cannot see.
My complaint is that some of you seem defeated and accept it but just want to complain about it. I like the strategy from this new staff so far and hope that they are coaching and developing our players well enough that it translates to wins.

To you, AppSt94 and others what do you think is the reason? Gillin does not care? We have incompetent people? Do we need a cleansing of the athletic department outside of the coaches? I get tired of hearing complaints and want to hear solutions. If there are no viable solutions then do we accept it? I like to think there has to be outside the box things we can do and our coaches can be creative as well but I just want to hear thoughts from those who are bringing up low money all the time.
It’s called accepting reality. It’s a math problem that you can’t seem to grasp. It’s easy to sit behind your computer screen and be critical of things that you don’t understand and of those that aren’t doing what you think needs to be done. If you don’t think that the leadership is the right leadership then do something about it. Call Chancellor Norris and complain. See how that goes. You see you can have your ideas on what you think is the problem and think that you possess the solution that will deliver App Football to salvation. But the reality is you can’t change the momentum by coming on a message board and complaining about it. This is not the audience that can do anything about it.
I'm not the one who keeps bringing up the lack of money. I am just asking for people to give me solutions since they keep talking about it. I do understand the math. I get that there is a budget and only so much can be done. So if this is the audience that can't do anything about it why do we keep bringing up the money issues like it is a revelation? I have had to deal with a VERY tight budget before but like I said sometimes you have to be creative. I have never been in a situation where I had money to burn like Texas or LSU or Michigan. Every SBC school has a budget but my main point is that we are still among the top in the league so we should still expect to be a good team within our own conference and that is all we should expect.
You are the one who posted the article and invited the conversation. The resources affect the results. If you understand the money issues then you should understand that much. You don’t want solutions, you want agreement and validation. If you wanted solutions, this isn’t the place to seek them because no one here is a decision-maker.

BambooRdApp
Posts: 5910
Joined: Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:32 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 2266 times
Been thanked: 3892 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:40 pm

Hot off the press. DLo is taking over place kicking , long snapper and punt coaching responsibilities.
Today I Give My All For Appalachian State!!
#FreeMillerHillForMoMoney!!

AppSt94
Posts: 11477
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:39 pm
School: Appalachian State
Location: Huntersville, NC
Has thanked: 7771 times
Been thanked: 4931 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by AppSt94 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:52 pm

BambooRdApp wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:40 pm
Hot off the press. DLo is taking over place kicking , long snapper and punt coaching responsibilities.
I was up in Boone today and ran into him at Booneshine. Seems that he is moonlighting as a brewmaster as well. The man can do it all.

BambooRdApp
Posts: 5910
Joined: Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:32 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 2266 times
Been thanked: 3892 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:09 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:52 pm
BambooRdApp wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:40 pm
Hot off the press. DLo is taking over place kicking , long snapper and punt coaching responsibilities.
I was up in Boone today and ran into him at Booneshine. Seems that he is moonlighting as a brewmaster as well. The man can do it all.
Renaissance Man. The sequel.
Hmmm. Leads to another fund raising idea.
During games (since coaching during the game is not a full time activity), he can the cocktail master. People would pay a premium for sideline access to get a mixed drink from the ole ball coach.
Creative thinking. App. St. makes a mint from sales.
Today I Give My All For Appalachian State!!
#FreeMillerHillForMoMoney!!

AppSt94
Posts: 11477
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:39 pm
School: Appalachian State
Location: Huntersville, NC
Has thanked: 7771 times
Been thanked: 4931 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by AppSt94 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:20 pm

BambooRdApp wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:09 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:52 pm
BambooRdApp wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:40 pm
Hot off the press. DLo is taking over place kicking , long snapper and punt coaching responsibilities.
I was up in Boone today and ran into him at Booneshine. Seems that he is moonlighting as a brewmaster as well. The man can do it all.
Renaissance Man. The sequel.
Hmmm. Leads to another fund raising idea.
During games (since coaching during the game is not a full time activity), he can the cocktail master. People would pay a premium for sideline access to get a mixed drink from the ole ball coach.
Creative thinking. App. St. makes a mint from sales.
I hear that he has learned how to freeze water and developed a unique niche for distribution where they serve it in cups.

AppStFan1
Posts: 6831
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:37 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 935 times
Been thanked: 1850 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:35 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:38 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:59 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:01 pm
AppStFan1 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:42 pm
Bootsy wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 3:03 pm

Again, it’s best not to paint with a broad brush.

Many viable (read: high-impact, cost-effective and simple to execute) fundraising ideas have been presented to Gillin over the years, both from internal and (reputable) external sources. But he’s elected not to pursue most of them.

The exception has been the Spring events: a mess last year when TIGMA ran it, but much better this year when AD planned/ran it.

Any one of us can come up with viable fundraising activities, either by copycatting or thinking up new initiatives. But if Gillin doesn’t want to pursue them or doesn’t have the manpower, nothing is going to happen.

So maybe it isn’t everyone just complaining and doing nothing like usual. Again, there is a lot that goes on inside that program that we cannot see.
My complaint is that some of you seem defeated and accept it but just want to complain about it. I like the strategy from this new staff so far and hope that they are coaching and developing our players well enough that it translates to wins.

To you, AppSt94 and others what do you think is the reason? Gillin does not care? We have incompetent people? Do we need a cleansing of the athletic department outside of the coaches? I get tired of hearing complaints and want to hear solutions. If there are no viable solutions then do we accept it? I like to think there has to be outside the box things we can do and our coaches can be creative as well but I just want to hear thoughts from those who are bringing up low money all the time.
It’s called accepting reality. It’s a math problem that you can’t seem to grasp. It’s easy to sit behind your computer screen and be critical of things that you don’t understand and of those that aren’t doing what you think needs to be done. If you don’t think that the leadership is the right leadership then do something about it. Call Chancellor Norris and complain. See how that goes. You see you can have your ideas on what you think is the problem and think that you possess the solution that will deliver App Football to salvation. But the reality is you can’t change the momentum by coming on a message board and complaining about it. This is not the audience that can do anything about it.
I'm not the one who keeps bringing up the lack of money. I am just asking for people to give me solutions since they keep talking about it. I do understand the math. I get that there is a budget and only so much can be done. So if this is the audience that can't do anything about it why do we keep bringing up the money issues like it is a revelation? I have had to deal with a VERY tight budget before but like I said sometimes you have to be creative. I have never been in a situation where I had money to burn like Texas or LSU or Michigan. Every SBC school has a budget but my main point is that we are still among the top in the league so we should still expect to be a good team within our own conference and that is all we should expect.
You are the one who posted the article and invited the conversation. The resources affect the results. If you understand the money issues then you should understand that much. You don’t want solutions, you want agreement and validation. If you wanted solutions, this isn’t the place to seek them because no one here is a decision-maker.
This was first article I saw but I expect many more to do the same thing so that is why I mentioned it. I am not looking for validation but I bring up the fact that maybe we should consolidate some roles since some of you respond that we can't because we are bare bones already due to being so cash strapped. We have added a lot of new jobs in the AD over the last 15 years so we have clearly grown the budget over what it use to be. The one thing that does not make sense to me is we generate way more revenue than most schools in our league but when I skim other boards I don't see people mention lack of money quite like we do.

I know that none of us are decision makers at App but it does not stop someone from a good idea. I know of some things the Yosef Club and even some sports teams have done because of ideas given by smart fans of the program.

AppinVA
Posts: 14322
Joined: Mon Oct 09, 2000 9:41 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 3607 times
Been thanked: 3391 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by AppinVA » Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:04 pm

BambooRdApp wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:09 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:52 pm
BambooRdApp wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:40 pm
Hot off the press. DLo is taking over place kicking , long snapper and punt coaching responsibilities.
I was up in Boone today and ran into him at Booneshine. Seems that he is moonlighting as a brewmaster as well. The man can do it all.
Renaissance Man. The sequel.
Hmmm. Leads to another fund raising idea.
During games (since coaching during the game is not a full time activity), he can the cocktail master. People would pay a premium for sideline access to get a mixed drink from the ole ball coach.
Creative thinking. App. St. makes a mint from sales.
Does he use his own home brew?
"Some people call me hillbilly. Some people call me mountain man. You can call me Appalachian. Appalachian's what I am."-- Del McCoury Band

BambooRdApp
Posts: 5910
Joined: Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:32 am
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 2266 times
Been thanked: 3892 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:21 am

AppinVA wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:04 pm
BambooRdApp wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:09 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:52 pm
BambooRdApp wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:40 pm
Hot off the press. DLo is taking over place kicking , long snapper and punt coaching responsibilities.
I was up in Boone today and ran into him at Booneshine. Seems that he is moonlighting as a brewmaster as well. The man can do it all.
Renaissance Man. The sequel.
Hmmm. Leads to another fund raising idea.
During games (since coaching during the game is not a full time activity), he can the cocktail master. People would pay a premium for sideline access to get a mixed drink from the ole ball coach.
Creative thinking. App. St. makes a mint from sales.
Does he use his own home brew?
For beer, of course. Working on Tradename/branding as we speak. He is creative. I am sure it will be catchy name.
DLo Dark Ale is one of his specialties. May have to tweak the name to DLo's Black Saturday Dark Ale.
With that said, he has a variety of spirits he will be able to deliver on the field....
For the liquor drinks, with ice if you so desire. Included. No extra charge.
Today I Give My All For Appalachian State!!
#FreeMillerHillForMoMoney!!

bcoach
Posts: 4801
Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:49 pm
School: Appalachian State
Has thanked: 1534 times
Been thanked: 1734 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by bcoach » Sun Jun 29, 2025 8:02 am

AppStFan1 wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:44 am
BambooRdApp wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:35 am
AppStFan1 wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:30 am
AppSt94 wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:22 am
Trimming the fat would imply that one has fat to trim.
All the power programs do and even we could cut some positions. We did just fine before 2015 and did not have near the amount of jobs as we do now. Our problem is we have a bloated department in terms of numbers and because of that we don't pay enough. I am sure we could cut enough positions to give everyone remaining a little bit of a raise and still save 500k or so in the athletic department.
So, what positions should be cut and what other position should take on the added responsibility?
We are not in 2015 anymore and we do not need to go back to 2015.
I would rather pay one person 150k that might be asked to do a few more duties but get a better quality and more well rounded employee than pay 60k to 4-5 people right now. We lose out on a lot of good people because we pay awful. I don't want to go back to 2015 but there is some bloat.

Our SID has 6 people and we could work with 4. SEC teams have departments bigger than us but they are wasting money. Do we really need 5 assistant coaches in basketball? I think we could work with 3-4. Women's basketball does not need 6 total coaches. 3-4 would be fine. Football is bloated a little bit. We don't need an assistant secondary coach. We have multiple assistant directors in areas when we just need one.

I would love to see a complete list of all the duties of everyone on our staff directory page. I'm sure if we did an audit we could see that we could cut 10-15 positions in the athletics department and I am sure we have bloat in academics as well.
If you don’t have a list of duties, what are you basing your recommendations on? How do you come up with the staff reductions and cost savings?

AppSt94
Posts: 11477
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:39 pm
School: Appalachian State
Location: Huntersville, NC
Has thanked: 7771 times
Been thanked: 4931 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by AppSt94 » Sun Jun 29, 2025 8:27 am

Here is the list of salaries for our Athletic Department per the salary database.
IMG_2451.png

AppSt94
Posts: 11477
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:39 pm
School: Appalachian State
Location: Huntersville, NC
Has thanked: 7771 times
Been thanked: 4931 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by AppSt94 » Sun Jun 29, 2025 8:27 am

IMG_2450.png

AppSt94
Posts: 11477
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:39 pm
School: Appalachian State
Location: Huntersville, NC
Has thanked: 7771 times
Been thanked: 4931 times

Re: Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

Unread post by AppSt94 » Sun Jun 29, 2025 8:27 am

IMG_2449.png

Post Reply Previous topicNext topic

Return to “Appalachian Football”