Staff Reductions Coming To ADs

[Yosef10]

I am not defending anything. I was not the person of ignorance suggesting to eliminate positions or adding positions when I do not live in the athletic department. I actually have some sense of intelligence. I would never suggest adding or eliminating positions when I have not walked the hallways of the basketball program.

I guess no AD should ever cut a position or sport unless they have been a coach in that sport now? Trev Albert cut wrestling and it was not like he was a wrestling coach.

I said I don't know what all that our specific coaches do daily but I know what basketball coaches do. When other schools have less coaches in that sport then it means we could as well. That is not ignorant but simply observing how others do it and saying we could do like those schools.

Trev Albert was the AD walking the hallways and involved deeply into the sports program....not some yo-yo on a message board who has never walked the hallways of the App. St. basketball program. You are not Trev Alberts. I am sure you are not going to that inference and the reason why...but that is okay.

You’re spending a lot of time arguing something that is almost certainly going to happen. Now that programs are sharing revenue with the players, the administrative bloat is going to be cut from athletic departments. Saban created the model of huge support staffs and assistants coach pools in a day and age where the money wasn’t going to the players and it trickled down to all sports at every level. You don’t have to know the day to day tasks of every assistant to know the economics have changed and so will the staff makeup.

Obviously App is not on the same level as an Alabama, but we’ve significantly ramped up the number of positions in programs over the last handful of years, I have trouble imagining some of these won’t be cut in order to be more competitive in what we’re able to offer to on field/court talent.

You are not wrong, however, we have announced several new hires in the past few weeks. Some were backfill and some were new. Either way it sends an awkward message to announce hires and then cut other staff.

Yeah I would think of it more of a re-org rather than just the cutting of positions across the board, at least that’s how I’d hope the admin would approach it. Didn’t get too into the weeds on it, but Gillin addresses the subject a bit in the latest App State podcast and does mention having to cut costs - don’t think he specifically says that would be in the way of cutting staff though.

[AppSt94]

I guess no AD should ever cut a position or sport unless they have been a coach in that sport now? Trev Albert cut wrestling and it was not like he was a wrestling coach.

I said I don't know what all that our specific coaches do daily but I know what basketball coaches do. When other schools have less coaches in that sport then it means we could as well. That is not ignorant but simply observing how others do it and saying we could do like those schools.

Trev Albert was the AD walking the hallways and involved deeply into the sports program....not some yo-yo on a message board who has never walked the hallways of the App. St. basketball program. You are not Trev Alberts. I am sure you are not going to that inference and the reason why...but that is okay.

You’re spending a lot of time arguing something that is almost certainly going to happen. Now that programs are sharing revenue with the players, the administrative bloat is going to be cut from athletic departments. Saban created the model of huge support staffs and assistants coach pools in a day and age where the money wasn’t going to the players and it trickled down to all sports at every level. You don’t have to know the day to day tasks of every assistant to know the economics have changed and so will the staff makeup.

Obviously App is not on the same level as an Alabama, but we’ve significantly ramped up the number of positions in programs over the last handful of years, I have trouble imagining some of these won’t be cut in order to be more competitive in what we’re able to offer to on field/court talent.

You are not wrong, however, we have announced several new hires in the past few weeks. Some were backfill and some were new. Either way it sends an awkward message to announce hires and then cut other staff.

Yeah I would think of it more of a re-org rather than just the cutting of positions across the board, at least that’s how I’d hope the admin would approach it. Didn’t get too into the weeds on it, but Gillin addresses the subject a bit in the latest App State podcast and does mention having to cut costs - don’t think he specifically says that would be in the way of cutting staff though.

The equipment department was asked to cut their budget considerably.

[Yosef10]

Trev Albert was the AD walking the hallways and involved deeply into the sports program....not some yo-yo on a message board who has never walked the hallways of the App. St. basketball program. You are not Trev Alberts. I am sure you are not going to that inference and the reason why...but that is okay.

You’re spending a lot of time arguing something that is almost certainly going to happen. Now that programs are sharing revenue with the players, the administrative bloat is going to be cut from athletic departments. Saban created the model of huge support staffs and assistants coach pools in a day and age where the money wasn’t going to the players and it trickled down to all sports at every level. You don’t have to know the day to day tasks of every assistant to know the economics have changed and so will the staff makeup.

Obviously App is not on the same level as an Alabama, but we’ve significantly ramped up the number of positions in programs over the last handful of years, I have trouble imagining some of these won’t be cut in order to be more competitive in what we’re able to offer to on field/court talent.

You are not wrong, however, we have announced several new hires in the past few weeks. Some were backfill and some were new. Either way it sends an awkward message to announce hires and then cut other staff.

Yeah I would think of it more of a re-org rather than just the cutting of positions across the board, at least that’s how I’d hope the admin would approach it. Didn’t get too into the weeds on it, but Gillin addresses the subject a bit in the latest App State podcast and does mention having to cut costs - don’t think he specifically says that would be in the way of cutting staff though.

The equipment department was asked to cut their budget considerably.

What does that look like? What do they spend money on?

[AppSt94]

You’re spending a lot of time arguing something that is almost certainly going to happen. Now that programs are sharing revenue with the players, the administrative bloat is going to be cut from athletic departments. Saban created the model of huge support staffs and assistants coach pools in a day and age where the money wasn’t going to the players and it trickled down to all sports at every level. You don’t have to know the day to day tasks of every assistant to know the economics have changed and so will the staff makeup.

Obviously App is not on the same level as an Alabama, but we’ve significantly ramped up the number of positions in programs over the last handful of years, I have trouble imagining some of these won’t be cut in order to be more competitive in what we’re able to offer to on field/court talent.

You are not wrong, however, we have announced several new hires in the past few weeks. Some were backfill and some were new. Either way it sends an awkward message to announce hires and then cut other staff.

Yeah I would think of it more of a re-org rather than just the cutting of positions across the board, at least that’s how I’d hope the admin would approach it. Didn’t get too into the weeds on it, but Gillin addresses the subject a bit in the latest App State podcast and does mention having to cut costs - don’t think he specifically says that would be in the way of cutting staff though.

The equipment department was asked to cut their budget considerably.

What does that look like? What do they spend money on?

I had the same question but I didn’t ask. I was told that they were looking to cut between $200-$300k from that budget. Which does lend the question of how much does that impact what they have available and what it looked like to begin with.

[fjblair]

Equipment budget is not the first thing I think of when cutting spending in a university athletic department. I would think it would be the last place to see cuts.

[AppSt94]

Equipment budget is not the first thing I think of when cutting spending in a university athletic department. I would think it would be the last place to see cuts.

You would think so. But they did.

[AppfaninCAALand]

Equipment budget is not the first thing I think of when cutting spending in a university athletic department. I would think it would be the last place to see cuts.

UVA (who you would think has enough money) makes their field hockey goalies supply their own goalie gear for use in games. Most schools (including App and ODU) will supply that gear through the AD equipment budget.

I would expect to see cuts like that, with players supplying their own bats, gloves, helmets, shoes, etc. "Hey just get an equipment NIL sponsorship" they will say.

For the record, I think that is a bad idea, and maybe a liability issue.

[AppSt94]

Equipment budget is not the first thing I think of when cutting spending in a university athletic department. I would think it would be the last place to see cuts.

UVA (who you would think has enough money) makes their field hockey goalies supply their own goalie gear for use in games. Most schools (including App and ODU) will supply that gear through the AD equipment budget.

Look for cuts like that. For the record, I think that is a bad idea, and maybe a liability issue.

As it relates to App, Michael Hughes had to supply his own kicking shoes.

[AppStFan1]

Equipment budget is not the first thing I think of when cutting spending in a university athletic department. I would think it would be the last place to see cuts.

You would think so. But they did.

I do find it funny we want the equipment folks to tighten the budget a little bit and then send all that stuff to Gruden, and others, throughout the year but then want to tighten the budget. I'm not surprised though because equipment departments give away tons of free stuff to the athletes and staff, as well as to scouts, media, etc. If you work for a NFL team or play for a college for 3 years then you would have enough gear to wear for about a month or two before you need to wash clothes, outside of underwear.

[AppStFan1]

Equipment budget is not the first thing I think of when cutting spending in a university athletic department. I would think it would be the last place to see cuts.

UVA (who you would think has enough money) makes their field hockey goalies supply their own goalie gear for use in games. Most schools (including App and ODU) will supply that gear through the AD equipment budget.

Look for cuts like that. For the record, I think that is a bad idea, and maybe a liability issue.

As it relates to App, Michael Hughes had to supply his own kicking shoes.

You would think they would supply that but kickers can be quirky and I could see many of them wanting to pick their own despite the college providing a set. I remember in high school our kicker picked out his own cleats instead of wearing the ones that our coaches gave him.

[Stonewall]

A lot of difficult decisions being made but we have to meet our athletes payroll.

[AppStFan1]

A lot of difficult decisions being made but we have to meet our athletes payroll.

Exactly. This NIL stuff is going to cause a lot of staff reductions and force many to take a pay cut.

[BambooRdApp]

I love how you pick apart one sentence I said and ignore all the other stuff. I know what basketball coaches do and my whole point is that other schools have smaller staffs so we don't have to have 6 coaches. If other D1 schools can have 4 then we can. I am just saying if they can do it fine then we can as well. You are defending having 6 like it is imperative and the program would fail with less. We would obviously have to cut more than just a few coaches though.

I am not defending anything. I was not the person of ignorance suggesting to eliminate positions or adding positions when I do not live in the athletic department. I actually have some sense of intelligence. I would never suggest adding or eliminating positions when I have not walked the hallways of the basketball program.

I guess no AD should ever cut a position or sport unless they have been a coach in that sport now? Trev Albert cut wrestling and it was not like he was a wrestling coach.

I said I don't know what all that our specific coaches do daily but I know what basketball coaches do. When other schools have less coaches in that sport then it means we could as well. That is not ignorant but simply observing how others do it and saying we could do like those schools.

Trev Albert was the AD walking the hallways and involved deeply into the sports program....not some yo-yo on a message board who has never walked the hallways of the App. St. basketball program. You are not Trev Alberts. I am sure you are not going to that inference and the reason why...but that is okay.

You’re spending a lot of time arguing something that is almost certainly going to happen. Now that programs are sharing revenue with the players, the administrative bloat is going to be cut from athletic departments. Saban created the model of huge support staffs and assistants coach pools in a day and age where the money wasn’t going to the players and it trickled down to all sports at every level. You don’t have to know the day to day tasks of every assistant to know the economics have changed and so will the staff makeup.

Obviously App is not on the same level as an Alabama, but we’ve significantly ramped up the number of positions in programs over the last handful of years, I have trouble imagining some of these won’t be cut in order to be more competitive in what we’re able to offer to on field/court talent.

I am not arguing one way or the other. My whole point is that someone with knowledge with the details of our athletics department...like our AD, a coach of a particular sport or someone else in athletics will make the decision that is best for the athletics department. Not someone on a message board (with zero knowledge or limited knowledge of what each of them do) advocating to cut one or two assistant coaching positions. That is comical to me

Trev Alberts, yes, qualified to make decision..why, because he was running the dept.

Yes, there will be decisions made on when to add, cut or remain neutral. I just not believe DG is coming to the YC message board to get ideas from a couch potato.

[AppStFan1]

I am not defending anything. I was not the person of ignorance suggesting to eliminate positions or adding positions when I do not live in the athletic department. I actually have some sense of intelligence. I would never suggest adding or eliminating positions when I have not walked the hallways of the basketball program.

I guess no AD should ever cut a position or sport unless they have been a coach in that sport now? Trev Albert cut wrestling and it was not like he was a wrestling coach.

I said I don't know what all that our specific coaches do daily but I know what basketball coaches do. When other schools have less coaches in that sport then it means we could as well. That is not ignorant but simply observing how others do it and saying we could do like those schools.

Trev Albert was the AD walking the hallways and involved deeply into the sports program....not some yo-yo on a message board who has never walked the hallways of the App. St. basketball program. You are not Trev Alberts. I am sure you are not going to that inference and the reason why...but that is okay.

You’re spending a lot of time arguing something that is almost certainly going to happen. Now that programs are sharing revenue with the players, the administrative bloat is going to be cut from athletic departments. Saban created the model of huge support staffs and assistants coach pools in a day and age where the money wasn’t going to the players and it trickled down to all sports at every level. You don’t have to know the day to day tasks of every assistant to know the economics have changed and so will the staff makeup.

Obviously App is not on the same level as an Alabama, but we’ve significantly ramped up the number of positions in programs over the last handful of years, I have trouble imagining some of these won’t be cut in order to be more competitive in what we’re able to offer to on field/court talent.

I am not arguing one way or the other. My whole point is that someone with knowledge with the details of our athletics department...like our AD, a coach of a particular sport or someone else in athletics will make the decision that is best for the athletics department. Not someone on a message board (with zero knowledge or limited knowledge of what each of them do) advocating to cut one or two assistant coaching positions. That is comical to me

Trev Alberts, yes, qualified to make decision..why, because he was running the dept.

Yes, there will be decisions made on when to add, cut or remain neutral. I just not believe DG is coming to the YC message board to get ideas from a couch potato.

I never said DG would come here for advice. I was just bringing up something that could be done to lower the expenses because schools often do it.

Alberts was a young AD at the time and he had not been at Omaha long when he did what he did. He looked at revenue, expenses, etc and made a cost cutting decision based on the analysis of what they got from the programs. If just giving opportunity to more kids is the only real benefit for a certain sport then it is going to be gutted when you need more money.

I am curious to see what Gillin does because he has basically said he wants to double what we bring in.

[Bootsy]

I think a lot of you fine folks. But where this particular thread is concerned, I think it’s safe to say we’ve reached the bottom…and begun to dig.

[t4pizza]

It wasn't broke so they fixed it.

The Supreme Court actually said it was broke, in a unanimous decision. Like it or not, in our country that means that it was broke.

[AppStFan1]

It wasn't broke so they fixed it.

The Supreme Court actually said it was broke, in a unanimous decision. Like it or not, in our country that means that it was broke.

It is just broken more now but in different ways lol. I say that because we are still seeing legal challenges. We knew this would happen though. Title IX was never an issue before but now that athletes are getting paid it becomes one because by and large the 2 sports that bring in the most money happen to be men's sports.

[Yosef10]

Equipment budget is not the first thing I think of when cutting spending in a university athletic department. I would think it would be the last place to see cuts.

Yeah that seems like a pretty misguided place to cut, but I guess there are no great options. I was also under the assumption that Nike paid us to wear their apparel and would supply nearly everything their schools asked for. Guess it depends on the contract.

[Stonewall]

It’s not NIL , it’s making a payroll. We have started paying the players directly and have to make a two million dollar plus adjustment. NIL is outside of this equation.

[bcoach]

It wasn't broke so they fixed it.

The Supreme Court actually said it was broke, in a unanimous decision. Like it or not, in our country that means that it was broke.

We will just have to disagree on that one.