Logo Changes

[app87]

Love me some Popeye.

[bcoach]

Most of you are missing the point of what people are actually criticizing.

Nobody cares about (or is offended by) the idea of a bearded guy with a hat and pipe.

People are mocking it because it looks bad. It doesn't look bad because it's a picture of a bearded guy wearing a hat and smoking a pipe. It looks bad because it's a BAD picture of a bearded guy wearing a hat and smoking a pipe.

You may like the way it looks. But, that's what people are saying.

It's been popular over the last couple of years as a "throwback" item. NFL teams use throwback jerseys as a reason to sell more merchandise. It works. But, it doesn't mean that Pat Patriot or powder blue uniforms should return permanently.

I'm not against a return to the old school Yosef, but we could have updated it a bit. You could've given the project to a graphic design class. Show them the "Victory Yosef" and tell them to make it better. Choose the best one and you have a better logo and a nice start to student's portfolio.

That might be asking too much, though. We don't even look outside of the County line for head coaches.

You don't update tradition.

Very well said

[bcoach]

Well then, lose the matte helmets. Get thst white block A back on there and lets get consistant with our look. I can live with an alternate uniform for a couple of gamesa season, although I hated this year's version.

Speaking of uniforms, I couldn't even watch Oregon v. OREGON state the other night. It was offensive to the eyes in the worst way.

I am with you on this. Seems like Michigan, Alabama, and many of the established programs don't need change after change and are able to recruit just fine. We have a uniform and helmet. Stick with it and don't make people guess who we are.

Hmm...





These are just two examples. I didn't include Ohio State, Nebraska, Florida, Georgia, Virginia Tech, etc.

My point is, this is a fad, and it will eventually run its course. I'm not all that concerned with game attire, especially when the game is much more interesting.

As for the white block A, App has used different colors for the block A for years. Check your NC alum license plates...

I don't think you read my post completely. I said I was OK with the occasional alternate uniform for a game or two a season. What I am talking about is our BRAND. The uniform we should be known by. None of your examples represent a change of uniform for those schools...they are alternates.

And as for the White Block A, it has not changed at all since we first came on the national scene with the three NC's and especially the Michigan win. That white block A was plastered all over the internet and on the cover of Sports Illustrated, not to mention any other publication related to sports. Instant brand recognition. It should not be screwed with 50 years from now, if the bleeding hearts have not gotten football completely outlawed, people should be able to switch on the game and instantly recognize that App State is on the field.

I was responding to bcoach's assertion of schools like Michigan never change things up. I have no problem with keeping the white block A for everything--it's my favorite logo. However, I don't get the fuss with the "Victory Yosef" secondary logo--it's a secondary logo. I guess you and bcoach take issue with the black Block A. If so, I just don't have strong feelings about that. Most schools have, and use, secondary logos that have inverted colors or a slightly different feature--including Michigan. I don't get the fuss, but I guess that's what makes message boards usable.

Let me try one more time. I am only talking about the primary logo and uniform. I am not talking about throwbacks. I don't see any use for throwbacks but if you want to use them make them whatever you want. Why is this so difficult to understand? I also don't care about secondary logos. If I don't like them I can just buy the primary white block A. What I am opposed to is changing our brand which is the primary

[ASUMountaineer]

Let me try one more time. I am only talking about the primary logo and uniform. I am not talking about throwbacks. I don't see any use for throwbacks but if you want to use them make them whatever you want. Why is this so difficult to understand? I also don't care about secondary logos. If I don't like them I can just buy the primary white block A. What I am opposed to is changing our brand which is the primary

Cool, so you have no problem because the primary logo hasn't changed. Our brand hasn't really changed. You just don't like the black block A on the helmets. Duly noted.

[skjellyfetti]

Black Block A in the 1920s

[bcoach]

Let me try one more time. I am only talking about the primary logo and uniform. I am not talking about throwbacks. I don't see any use for throwbacks but if you want to use them make them whatever you want. Why is this so difficult to understand? I also don't care about secondary logos. If I don't like them I can just buy the primary white block A. What I am opposed to is changing our brand which is the primary

Cool, so you have no problem because the primary logo hasn't changed. Our brand hasn't really changed. You just don't like the black block A on the helmets. Duly noted.

You got it. Stick that white A back on the helmets and I am good to go. I like our old black and white unis, don't like the gray as they just look like dirty whites. BUT stick that white block A back on the helmet and I can live with it.

[ASUMountaineer]

Let me try one more time. I am only talking about the primary logo and uniform. I am not talking about throwbacks. I don't see any use for throwbacks but if you want to use them make them whatever you want. Why is this so difficult to understand? I also don't care about secondary logos. If I don't like them I can just buy the primary white block A. What I am opposed to is changing our brand which is the primary

Cool, so you have no problem because the primary logo hasn't changed. Our brand hasn't really changed. You just don't like the black block A on the helmets. Duly noted.

You got it. Stick that white A back on the helmets and I am good to go. I like our old black and white unis, don't like the gray as they just look like dirty whites. BUT stick that white block A back on the helmet and I can live with it.

I'm with you on the gray jerseys. As for the color of the A on the helmet, I like both, so I'm an "ehh."

[AppinATL]

Well then, lose the matte helmets. Get thst white block A back on there and lets get consistant with our look. I can live with an alternate uniform for a couple of gamesa season, although I hated this year's version.

Speaking of uniforms, I couldn't even watch Oregon v. OREGON state the other night. It was offensive to the eyes in the worst way.

I am with you on this. Seems like Michigan, Alabama, and many of the established programs don't need change after change and are able to recruit just fine. We have a uniform and helmet. Stick with it and don't make people guess who we are.

Hmm...





These are just two examples. I didn't include Ohio State, Nebraska, Florida, Georgia, Virginia Tech, etc.

My point is, this is a fad, and it will eventually run its course. I'm not all that concerned with game attire, especially when the game is much more interesting.

As for the white block A, App has used different colors for the block A for years. Check your NC alum license plates...

I don't think you read my post completely. I said I was OK with the occasional alternate uniform for a game or two a season. What I am talking about is our BRAND. The uniform we should be known by. None of your examples represent a change of uniform for those schools...they are alternates.

And as for the White Block A, it has not changed at all since we first came on the national scene with the three NC's and especially the Michigan win. That white block A was plastered all over the internet and on the cover of Sports Illustrated, not to mention any other publication related to sports. Instant brand recognition. It should not be screwed with 50 years from now, if the bleeding hearts have not gotten football completely outlawed, people should be able to switch on the game and instantly recognize that App State is on the field.

I was responding to bcoach's assertion of schools like Michigan never change things up. I have no problem with keeping the white block A for everything--it's my favorite logo. However, I don't get the fuss with the "Victory Yosef" secondary logo--it's a secondary logo. I guess you and bcoach take issue with the black Block A. If so, I just don't have strong feelings about that. Most schools have, and use, secondary logos that have inverted colors or a slightly different feature--including Michigan. I don't get the fuss, but I guess that's what makes message boards usable.

I don't really have a problem with the black block a as a secondary. I don't like it on our helmets as the regular look. And I hate the matte helmet fad.

[AppinATL]

Black Block A in the 1920s

And it looks like crap.

[skjellyfetti]

And it looks like crap.

Just saying what is "traditional" is relative... particularly to a program like App...

Our only tradition (as far as uniforms and logos) is change.

I don't know what year every poster went to App... but, it seems to me you can pretty much guess when someone went to App based on what logo or uniform they support. The logo used during their school days = "traditional"...

We don't have a constant uniform like Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, etc. Going to a design used in the 70's vs. a design used '89-'12 isn't an argument about "tradition" -- neither logo has the longevity necessary for that discussion, imo.

Arguing about a white block A versus a black block A isn't an argument about tradition. I'm a fairly young alumnus... and, I'm older than the white block A.



edit to add:
The argument about "traditional" logos doesn't even approach the fact that we don't even have a traditional COLOR SCHEME.

[JCline0429]

Black Block A in the 1920s

And it looks like crap.

During that time, ASU was fortunate to even have uniforms or a team for that matter.

[Gonzo]

Black Block A in the 1920s

And it looks like crap.

During that time, ASU was fortunate to even have uniforms or a team for that matter.

He's probably too modest to say anything, but that's actually JCline in the photo (third from the left) when he was in undergrad.

[ASUMountaineer]

I don't think you read my post completely. I said I was OK with the occasional alternate uniform for a game or two a season. What I am talking about is our BRAND. The uniform we should be known by. None of your examples represent a change of uniform for those schools...they are alternates.

And as for the White Block A, it has not changed at all since we first came on the national scene with the three NC's and especially the Michigan win. That white block A was plastered all over the internet and on the cover of Sports Illustrated, not to mention any other publication related to sports. Instant brand recognition. It should not be screwed with 50 years from now, if the bleeding hearts have not gotten football completely outlawed, people should be able to switch on the game and instantly recognize that App State is on the field.

I was responding to bcoach's assertion of schools like Michigan never change things up. I have no problem with keeping the white block A for everything--it's my favorite logo. However, I don't get the fuss with the "Victory Yosef" secondary logo--it's a secondary logo. I guess you and bcoach take issue with the black Block A. If so, I just don't have strong feelings about that. Most schools have, and use, secondary logos that have inverted colors or a slightly different feature--including Michigan. I don't get the fuss, but I guess that's what makes message boards usable.

I don't really have a problem with the black block a as a secondary. I don't like it on our helmets as the regular look. And I hate the matte helmet fad.

Right, you have a preference for the white block A. I don't have a particular preference as I like both. To me, they're just logos on a helmet. I do like the matte finish, but I also like the glossy finish. I'm just not that wrapped in what the players are wearing, which is why I said I don't get the fuss about secondary logos and uniforms. Of course, on my new car I have a Victory Yosef sticker, a black block A sticker, and an App alum NC license plate with a yellow block A. I'm all messed up.

[bh2oson]

This is what we had when I was at App. I don't care if it ever comes back. (But it does bring back good memories)