Urban Meyer says 8 team playoff won't work

[Saint3333]

Herbstreet is that you?

Herbstreit* and if you're objective, you'll know I'm absolutely right.

No, Boise St. a few years ago and Utah before they joined the PAC 12 are prime examples.

Every one at the FBS level should have a shot to make the playoffs at the beginning of the year. Giving the G5 ONE spot does that. That is the right thing to do.

Would you have rather seen Miss St./Alabama rematch or perhaps Arizona/Alabama or Alabama/Boise St. People like to see David vs. Goliath and pull for the underdog in playoffs. It makes the first weekend of NCAAB.

I think Boise St. gives Alabama a competitive game this year.

[APPARJ]

Herbstreet is that you?

Herbstreit* and if you're objective, you'll know I'm absolutely right.

No, Boise St. a few years ago and Utah before they joined the PAC 12 are prime examples.

Every one at the FBS level should have a shot to make the playoffs at the beginning of the year. Giving the G5 ONE spot does that. That is the right thing to do.

Would you have rather seen Miss St./Alabama rematch or perhaps Arizona/Alabama or Alabama/Boise St. People like to see David vs. Goliath and pull for the underdog in playoffs. It makes the first weekend of NCAAB.

I think Boise St. gives Alabama a competitive game this year.

There are between 30 and 40 programs that over the course of 10 years have a legitimate shot at competing for a title at least once.

The "right thing to do" is have the G5 split off into it's own league/entity.

No one playing a Sun Belt, AAC, CUSA schedule deserves a shot at a championship while there are schools playing at a significantly higher level of competition within their own conference.

Boise is an example folks use to justify their G5 auto-bid position but they're an anomaly.

Hence - the G5 should get out of a game that is set up for them to lose.

[bigdaddyg]

Herbstreet is that you?

Herbstreit* and if you're objective, you'll know I'm absolutely right.

No, Boise St. a few years ago and Utah before they joined the PAC 12 are prime examples.

Every one at the FBS level should have a shot to make the playoffs at the beginning of the year. Giving the G5 ONE spot does that. That is the right thing to do.

Would you have rather seen Miss St./Alabama rematch or perhaps Arizona/Alabama or Alabama/Boise St. People like to see David vs. Goliath and pull for the underdog in playoffs. It makes the first weekend of NCAAB.

I think Boise St. gives Alabama a competitive game this year.

There are between 30 and 40 programs that over the course of 10 years have a legitimate shot at competing for a title at least once.

The "right thing to do" is have the G5 split off into it's own league/entity.

No one playing a Sun Belt, AAC, CUSA schedule deserves a shot at a championship while there are schools playing at a significantly higher level of competition within their own conference.

Boise is an example folks use to justify their G5 auto-bid position but they're an anomaly.

Hence - the G5 should get out of a game that is set up for them to lose.

I totally agree with the Boise comment. Complete anomaly. What have they done the past several years? Back to reality and 10-2 seasons which won't get it with their confernce affiliation. Not bad, but not nearly good enough. I honestly think the 30-40 numbers is still too high. I would estimate the "legit" number is closer to 20.

ACC- Clemson, FSU and maybe VT
SEC- Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia (stretch)
Big 10- Ohio State, Michigan (past 10 years and future with Harbaugh).
Pac 12- Oregon, USC (they will be back)
Big 12- Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma and Texas (consider past 10 years)

Open to suggestions for other "legit" teams.

[AppGrad78]

Personally, I like the model the NCAA basketball tournament uses. Open up the tournament to as many teams possible (for football that would probably be 16). Let the lower-ranked conferences have a slice of the pie, however small. Watch the dollars roll in. Bill Hancock and his cronies are worried that the bowls would go the way of the NIT Tournament. Message to Bill: they already have.

[HeffnerIV]

Regarding Boise, keep in mind that they probably wouldn't be a G5 if their location was different.

[Saint3333]

People use good examples as good examples to support their position.

I didn't get an answer to my question: would you have rather seen Alabama/Miss St., Alabama/Arizona, or Alabama Boise?

What's the difference in Boise making the playoffs as the G5 representative 60% of the time versus Alabama being in the playoffs 60% of the time?

Give the 5 P5 conference champs a bid, the best G5 a bid, and two at-larges when we go to 8 teams.

When we go to 16, all ten conference champs and 6 at-larges.

[APPARJ]

Personally, I like the model the NCAA basketball tournament uses. Open up the tournament to as many teams possible (for football that would probably be 16). Let the lower-ranked conferences have a slice of the pie, however small. Watch the dollars roll in. Bill Hancock and his cronies are worried that the bowls would go the way of the NIT Tournament. Message to Bill: they already have.

Apples and Oranges. Football can only be played consistently every 7 days. I tend to agree with Urban that 4 is a solid number. If they move to 8 then that's the absolute max I would allow unless each conference played one less regular season game and eliminated conference championship games (a la the FCS days of old).

Think of how cool it would be to see App, Marshall, ECU, Houston, SMU, GaSo and other peer schools compete for the top 4 spots of a G5 tourney. That would fire me up beyond words.

[Saint3333]

That would be nice, but not realistic. Houston, SMU, ECU, and maybe even Marshall would do anything in their power to stay with the P5 schools.

I'd love to be in a division with the lower FBS and a handful of upper FCS programs, I would prefer that to the current situation.

I just can't see the AAC and MWC schools going for that.

[APPARJ]

People use good examples as good examples to support their position.

I didn't get an answer to my question: would you have rather seen Alabama/Miss St., Alabama/Arizona, or Alabama Boise?

What's the difference in Boise making the playoffs as the G5 representative 60% of the time versus Alabama being in the playoffs 60% of the time?

Give the 5 P5 conference champs a bid, the best G5 a bid, and two at-larges when we go to 8 teams.

When we go to 16, all ten conference champs and 6 at-larges.

Because it is an anomaly (AKA an extremely rare case) I actually think it's a bad example.

I didn't answer your question because I thought it was hypothetical because from a totally neutral fan perspective I'd rather see Miss St/Bama. Odds are that it would be the best game.

Here is what the 4 opening round games would've been had the playoffs been 8 instead of 4.

Alabama v. Michigan State
Oregon v. Miss St.
FSU v. TCU
Ohio State v. Baylor

The G5 has no place in that list.

Going on the CBS rankings of the top 128, here is what an 8 team G5 playoff would look like:

Boise v. La Tech
Marshall v. Colorado State
Memphis v. Utah State
Air Force v. Northern Illinois

That is where App State belongs and I long for a day we can see a scenario like that play out.

[APPARJ]

That would be nice, but not realistic. Houston, SMU, ECU, and maybe even Marshall would do anything in their power to stay with the P5 schools.

I'd love to be in a division with the lower FBS and a handful of upper FCS programs, I would prefer that to the current situation.

I just can't see the AAC and MWC schools going for that.

Those schools aren't powerful enough to prevent a split in G5/P5. Marshall and ECU will never be P5 programs. I can't speak to the others.

[Saint3333]

Because one team is consistently the best G5 program doesn't mean they aren't worthy of inclusion.

You'd rather see a rematch that happened in the last two weeks of the season? People hated when Alabama played LSU in a rematch.

I'll go back to my original point which is people love to pull for the "little guy". NCAAB is the greatest tournament because of that.

We will have to disagree about the inclusion of the best G5 in an 8 team playoff.

[APPARJ]

Herbstreet is that you?

Herbstreit* and if you're objective, you'll know I'm absolutely right.

No, Boise St. a few years ago and Utah before they joined the PAC 12 are prime examples.

Every one at the FBS level should have a shot to make the playoffs at the beginning of the year. Giving the G5 ONE spot does that. That is the right thing to do.

Would you have rather seen Miss St./Alabama rematch or perhaps Arizona/Alabama or Alabama/Boise St. People like to see David vs. Goliath and pull for the underdog in playoffs. It makes the first weekend of NCAAB.

I think Boise St. gives Alabama a competitive game this year.

There are between 30 and 40 programs that over the course of 10 years have a legitimate shot at competing for a title at least once.

The "right thing to do" is have the G5 split off into it's own league/entity.

No one playing a Sun Belt, AAC, CUSA schedule deserves a shot at a championship while there are schools playing at a significantly higher level of competition within their own conference.

Boise is an example folks use to justify their G5 auto-bid position but they're an anomaly.

Hence - the G5 should get out of a game that is set up for them to lose.

I totally agree with the Boise comment. Complete anomaly. What have they done the past several years? Back to reality and 10-2 seasons which won't get it with their confernce affiliation. Not bad, but not nearly good enough. I honestly think the 30-40 numbers is still too high. I would estimate the "legit" number is closer to 20.

ACC- Clemson, FSU and maybe VT
SEC- Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia (stretch)
Big 10- Ohio State, Michigan (past 10 years and future with Harbaugh).
Pac 12- Oregon, USC (they will be back)
Big 12- Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma and Texas (consider past 10 years)

Open to suggestions for other "legit" teams.

I was basing this on historical success. For example, Miami has been a powerhouse in the past. There's no reason to assume that they couldn't build another contender at some point in the future. But you're right, based on today, the list is actually much smaller.

[Saint3333]

That would be nice, but not realistic. Houston, SMU, ECU, and maybe even Marshall would do anything in their power to stay with the P5 schools.

I'd love to be in a division with the lower FBS and a handful of upper FCS programs, I would prefer that to the current situation.

I just can't see the AAC and MWC schools going for that.

Those schools aren't powerful enough to prevent a split in G5/P5. Marshall and ECU will never be P5 programs. I can't speak to the others.

They will position themselves to be included in the P5's side if/when a split occurs.

[APPARJ]

Because one team is consistently the best G5 program doesn't mean they aren't worthy of inclusion.

You'd rather see a rematch that happened in the last two weeks of the season? People hated when Alabama played LSU in a rematch.

I'll go back to my original point which is people love to pull for the "little guy". NCAAB is the greatest tournament because of that.

We will have to disagree about the inclusion of the best G5 in an 8 team playoff.

I bet if you polled the people on what they want to see, it wouldn't be a G5 school (Boise or otherwise) in a Top 8 playoff game.

[APPARJ]

That would be nice, but not realistic. Houston, SMU, ECU, and maybe even Marshall would do anything in their power to stay with the P5 schools.

I'd love to be in a division with the lower FBS and a handful of upper FCS programs, I would prefer that to the current situation.

I just can't see the AAC and MWC schools going for that.

Those schools aren't powerful enough to prevent a split in G5/P5. Marshall and ECU will never be P5 programs. I can't speak to the others.

They will position themselves to be included in the P5's side if/when a split occurs.

Absolutely.

[bigdaddyg]

To me one of the biggest obstacles for any real extended playoff is conference affiliation. The only real way to assure the best teams for any postseason football tournament is for the big boys to be in football only conferences. When we speak of "Legit" teams you really have to discount the chumps from the P5 conferences. Out of the 64 P5 schools I can list at least 22 programs that have little or no shot at the NC, much less joining the playoff:
Syracuse, Wake, UNC, NCSU, BC, Duke, MD, Rutgers, Iowa, Texas Tech, Kansas, Iowa St, Wash St, Cal, Colorado, Kentucky, Vandy, Illinois, NWestern, Purdue, Indiana, Virginia.

Some of these always get eliminated because they can't beat the powerhouses in their conference, don't play anybody out of conference, or just simply can't hang with the big schools. There are obviously some G5 schools who routinely knock off some of their P5 bretheren and routinely rank higher than the also rans like Wake, Vandy and the like.

[Rekdiver]

If NCAA basketball were run this way Mercer, NC State, Lehigh, Davidson et al would never get the shot they did and prove themselves worthy in a tournament. All football D-1 Conference Champions get a bid and the rest at large. It's pretty simple and the revenue would be astronomical. I DO believe this formula has worked for all the other Divisions. Screw Urban Meyer. Fool.

[AtlAppMan]

The G5 voluntarily splitting off and holding their own playoff is a terrible idea. That would basically be a repeat of the D1-A/AA split and we all know how that played out. That would be the shortest path to irrelevancy the G5 could ever take.

The best thing for the G5 future is for CFP to expand to 8 and guarantee one spot for the best G5 team.

[AppinVA]

The G5 voluntarily splitting off and holding their own playoff is a terrible idea. That would basically be a repeat of the D1-A/AA split and we all know how that played out. That would be the shortest path to irrelevancy the G5 could ever take.

The best thing for the G5 future is for CFP to expand to 8 and guarantee one spot for the best G5 team.

Amen. I don't believe we fought to get to where we are, just to willingly go back to where we were. We may end up there, but I want to fight it every step of the way --not lead the parade.

[APPARJ]

The G5 voluntarily splitting off and holding their own playoff is a terrible idea. That would basically be a repeat of the D1-A/AA split and we all know how that played out. That would be the shortest path to irrelevancy the G5 could ever take.

The best thing for the G5 future is for CFP to expand to 8 and guarantee one spot for the best G5 team.

It won't be voluntary and we are not more relevant today because both App State and Alabama/Oregon/Ohio State share a "B" in FBS.

As long as our peer schools are still in the CUSA, Sun Belt etc... and not the Big South and the SoCon, we will be just fine.