# of Clemson tickets sold?

[3rd]

If I recall correctly. The rendering also showed renovation of Owens Field House and adding a dorm.

Which means more students = more money.....but don't get your hopes up for that project happening soon...unless we make a new years day bowl.

[97grad]

As I recall it was an open question whether or not that rendering was actually a real proposal. Personally I think the dorm is a dumb idea.

[Gonzo]

It was a ploy to tapp into State $ and a much needed housing project. I've always been a proponent.

[Appstate88]

All I can say after reading this is if you made a comment on this thread about the stadium expansion you better be at the home opener and the Clempson game. Go Apps!

[appfan83]

All I can say after reading this is if you made a comment on this thread about the stadium expansion you better be at the home opener and the Clempson game. Go Apps!

I would if I could, but I cant. got monster foot ulcer on left foot. I'm a diabetic.

[Gonzo]

All I can say after reading this is if you made a comment on this thread about the stadium expansion you better be at the home opener and the Clempson game. Go Apps!

Just got to Boone today. Hitting Clemson next friday!

[Saint3333]

For the record I'm not suggesting we add 10,000 seats as soon as possible. Just move the track and bowl in the Owens side. The rendering we've been seeing for 3 years minus the third deck on the "State" side would be perfect.

You are oversimplifying the situation, who is paying for it and paying for it to be done right?

I really don't think I am. It's a building project. College campuses are in a constant state of construction.

Who is paying for it: Students, fans, and tax payers.

Why? To enhance the front porch of ASU.

Done right? I don't know if your standards are attainable even if we had 33k for every single game. I think my suggestion would look awesome.

Oh is that all, just take money from where there is none. You don't understand that concept obviously.

Done right has nothing to do with the number of butts in the seats, it is about not putting another bandaid on the stadium and making the stadium look more uniform and well planned.

We can't use academics funds unless we put up the terrible dorm attached to the stadium rendering, no thanks.

We are clearly speaking two different languages when it comes to this subject.

[EastHallApp]

So what can we really do as individuals? Come to home games instead of giving our money to Klempsom or who ever. Bring some friends with you. Join the YOSEF Club.

Not sure how much road game ticket sales benefit App financially, but it shows bowls that our fans travel, which is also pretty important.

[NewApp]

good post Saint

I'd also toss out that we are coming out of an historic recession. Way less disposable income for a lot of people and it's definitely cheaper to watch at home.

To me, watching on TV is not a replacement for going to the stadium....any stadium. I guess it's a replacement but not on an equal level. I will always prefer the live experience but have had to choose to watch on TV for financial and other reasons.

I see your point about the recession, but remind you of the fact that during the true Great Depression, some of the greatest movies were made in Hollywood. We were not completely out of the depression when Gone With the Wind was made.

[NewApp]

All I can say after reading this is if you made a comment on this thread about the stadium expansion you better be at the home opener and the Clempson game. Go Apps!

I would if I could, but I cant. got monster foot ulcer on left foot. I'm a diabetic.

Not there yet, but foresee that for me in the distant future.

[EastHallApp]

The arguments about "proving demand" seem tired to me. Those arguments were made years ago and have been followed by several years of over capacity attendance. Yes, we are down NOW, but the demand has already been proven.

I just don't think it works that way. You can't assume that because demand was there a few years ago that it will automatically come back. For one, there are factors in depressing attendance at live sporting events around the country, which have already been covered here.

For another, we aren't offering the same product we were in 2007. The demand that was shown was for a team that won multiple FCS championships and was the talk of the nation after the Michigan win. Will that same demand be there for a Sun Belt team that wins 8-9 games per year (and charges more for tickets)? It's taken as an article of faith by some that it will, but where are the other Sun Belt teams who are drawing 30,000-plus?

Sure if we achieve Boise-type success, I expect people will come out in droves. But building based on that before it happens is like saving for retirement by playing the lottery

[Gonzo]

For the record I'm not suggesting we add 10,000 seats as soon as possible. Just move the track and bowl in the Owens side. The rendering we've been seeing for 3 years minus the third deck on the "State" side would be perfect.

You are oversimplifying the situation, who is paying for it and paying for it to be done right?

I really don't think I am. It's a building project. College campuses are in a constant state of construction.

Who is paying for it: Students, fans, and tax payers.

Why? To enhance the front porch of ASU.

Done right? I don't know if your standards are attainable even if we had 33k for every single game. I think my suggestion would look awesome.

Oh is that all, just take money from where there is none. You don't understand that concept obviously.

Done right has nothing to do with the number of butts in the seats, it is about not putting another bandaid on the stadium and making the stadium look more uniform and well planned.

We can't use academics funds unless we put up the terrible dorm attached to the stadium rendering, no thanks.

We are clearly speaking two different languages when it comes to this subject.

There's a budget, albeit strapped at the moment, and I think moderate additions to KBS are a priority. I understand.

Like I said, your standards aren't going to be met regardless of seating demand. You're the one who arbitrarily set an exact season ticket sales prerequisite for KBS enhancement.

I don't understand the hate for a new dorm. It's a new dorm. It'll be made of bricks and look like the others, only right there at the stadium.

Some people....

[NewApp]

For the record I'm not suggesting we add 10,000 seats as soon as possible. Just move the track and bowl in the Owens side. The rendering we've been seeing for 3 years minus the third deck on the "State" side would be perfect.

You are oversimplifying the situation, who is paying for it and paying for it to be done right?

I really don't think I am. It's a building project. College campuses are in a constant state of construction.

Who is paying for it: Students, fans, and tax payers.

Why? To enhance the front porch of ASU.

Done right? I don't know if your standards are attainable even if we had 33k for every single game. I think my suggestion would look awesome.

Oh is that all, just take money from where there is none. You don't understand that concept obviously.

Done right has nothing to do with the number of butts in the seats, it is about not putting another bandaid on the stadium and making the stadium look more uniform and well planned.

We can't use academics funds unless we put up the terrible dorm attached to the stadium rendering, no thanks.

We are clearly speaking two different languages when it comes to this subject.

I for one, speak that language. Build it and they will come was just a Hollywood movie concept. Create the demand first and it will force an expansion. We'll look like we can afford it.

[Saint3333]

Let's hear the details of where from a very strapped budget you'd like to pull the money from?

My desire to wait for increased season tickets is a means to pay for the expansion. We can't ask the students to pay more they pay more than their fair share. We really can't ask more more existing Yosef members. We need new season ticket holders and new donors.

The dorm screams low budget and limits options in its current form.

We have a history of rushing expansion/upgrades and not planning long term, let's stop that trend. A program the caliber of ours desires better.

[NewApp]

So your assertion is that these fans, who probably drove 2-3 hours each way for one or more games earlier in the season, not only stopped attending but also stopped even paying attention to App football? And even now ~9 months later still haven't heard that we finished out strong and are looking to make a run this year? Really?

If you believe everyone who comes to football games actually "follows" the football program, you're a bit deluded.

Are you asserting that winning games, conference championships and garnering attention and hype doesn't draw bigger crowds? Because it sounds like that's exactly what you're asserting.

I believe the people you're talking about quit planning on making that 2-3 hour drive after the Liberty debacle. And I don't blame them.

If we somehow were to knock off Clemson in week 2, I would bet my car that we fill up Kidd Brewer the next home game. Do you disagree?

Why then the big crowd to start the 2005 season after losing to Western to close out 2004 and starting 1-1 to start the season?

I don't know. That's an excellent question. I'd love to hear your theory on that.

But, it doesn't change the fact that winning programs have full stadiums and losing programs don't.

There's no disputing that but we weren't coming off a great season heading into 2005. I do agree that winning a conference championship should help boost interest but it is disheartening to me that we seem to struggle to get folks to the home opener. We often do a decent walk up business but I fear the weather forecast may scare away our "fair weather" fans.

As to coming off a great season in 2005, there was great hype in the Piedmont (Charlotte Observer for one) that boosted ticket sales from that area. I posted this idea previously, but it seemed to disappear. People were talking in my coffee shop who were not ASU alumni nor even much of football fans about Apps football season prospects. When I went to games, I was surrounded by Charlotte people wherever I sat, including the bank.

[NewApp]

As I recall it was an open question whether or not that rendering was actually a real proposal. Personally I think the dorm is a dumb idea.

Ditto. The only way I would go for the dorm is if we made it housing for most of the athletes.

[Gonzo]

As I recall it was an open question whether or not that rendering was actually a real proposal. Personally I think the dorm is a dumb idea.

Ditto. The only way I would go for the dorm is if we made it housing for most of the athletes.

That was the plan as I understood it.

Glad to have you on board.

[Yosef84]

The arguments about "proving demand" seem tired to me. Those arguments were made years ago and have been followed by several years of over capacity attendance. Yes, we are down NOW, but the demand has already been proven.

I just don't think it works that way. You can't assume that because demand was there a few years ago that it will automatically come back. For one, there are factors in depressing attendance at live sporting events around the country, which have already been covered here.

For another, we aren't offering the same product we were in 2007. The demand that was shown was for a team that won multiple FCS championships and was the talk of the nation after the Michigan win. Will that same demand be there for a Sun Belt team that wins 8-9 games per year (and charges more for tickets)? It's taken as an article of faith by some that it will, but where are the other Sun Belt teams who are drawing 30,000-plus?

Sure if we achieve Boise-type success, I expect people will come out in droves. But building based on that before it happens is like saving for retirement by playing the lottery

An analysis of factors is absolute what would be needed in preparing a forecast of demand, but historical performance (attendance) is absolutely a factor and would probably be a driving factor. I do think that the ticket pricing is a contributor to the decline, but we have consistently exceeded the official capacity of our stadium and we've had to use temporary seating to accommodate fans. The decision for expanding the stadium is more complex than looking at THIS year's attendance, and those who are talking in those terms are the ones who are grossly over-simplifying.

All I'm saying is that I believe we've already demonstrated the need for expanded seating. Have we PROVEN that we will need 30K? No...probably not. We've only hit that mark a handful of times, but if we're expanding, we need to take a chunk and not a nibble this time. We do need to be fiscally responsible and I'm sure we will. I'd like to see a first class add, and baring a significant new funding source (corporate sponsor) we can't do it this year. There is no doubt in my mind that our administration is already working on this issue though, so to those saying we "should be working on it" are stating the obvious. I'm sure they know that also.

[APPARJ]

Although I doubt it will happen, I would love for App to go against the grain and stop expanding construction on campus to prepare for the inevitable student loan bubble burst.

When the students begin defaulting on their loans and the gov't stops guaranteeing loans, many colleges will be forced to lower tuition, cut costs and will see enrollment numbers take a hit.

Also, I saw someone mention that the economy has done something to attendance today. I disagree. In 2008, 2009 and 2010 when things were still very bad in the economy (worse than now) we had several games with attendance over 30K.

The dip in attendance isn't uniquely App State's problem. Other schools are having it. But when it comes to talk of expansion, I really, REALLY hope we use common sense and don't build more than we need.

[WVAppsfan]

I bought two tickets through App State office. I bought my weeks ago, I asked when I purchased them how were sales going. The ticket rep indicated that it was a good thing I bought mine, due to high demand.

I wish the game was Saturday night and not in the afternoon. However I feel that a strong crowd will make the game. The combination of high anticipation for success this year and the factor of great weather.

The Wyoming game will be a knock-out weekend and an opportunity for our fans to see a team from the West that never if ever comes to East Coast or the South.

I am eager to see how Clemson handles the odd offensive nature of Wofford.

Bring on the Bison and if they bring their band to town half-time will be rocking.