Possibles for Big 12 expansion

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Re: Possibles for Big 12 expansion

Unread post by bigdaddyg » Tue May 10, 2016 8:47 am

WVAppsfan wrote:I do not the term "travel" partner. Basically what this means, is that someone like WVU would have an eastern based team that makes the other members of the conference come to in the same time zone. In Olympic sports WVU travels west and the other teams come east once. It is a competitive disadvantage. As for App in the Sun Belt, we have two in the teams from Georgia for sports. But a third in Coastal.
Thanks for the clarification from several of you. Funny, I tried to google the term in different ways and got nothing. There really isn't a partner traveling with us (as the term would have one think). I have noticed that in several sports teams do play, say two in the same area during the same week or over the course of a few days. Makes sense. So the disadvantage to App currently is that we can't really line up a home schedule that would have teams from the same area visiting us over the course of a few days? I am still a little fuzzy. Once CC is added, theoretically a team will play us say on Tuesday then CC on Saturday?

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Re: Possibles for Big 12 expansion

Unread post by /\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 » Tue May 10, 2016 9:16 am

For the moment...App is right where we need to be. We haven't even won a football conference title, and we all see and know how well basketball and baseball are doing against Sun Belt competition. No need to move anywhere, as it would also financially cost us a lot more.
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Unread post by APPdiesel » Wed May 11, 2016 9:45 am

WVAppsfan wrote:Are you saying that JMU is more attractive than Georgia Southern or App State? I disagree. Do you feel that a Liberty, Jacksonville, Jacksonville State, or North Dakota State is more attractive than teams from the Sun Belt? I disagree again.
I think what he's trying to say is the proverbial realignment buck will stop before it gets to the Sunbelt. If two are pulled from AAC, they could and likely would pull the best two CUSA schools....Marshall, Southern Miss, whoever. CUSA is currently at a bloated number of 14 members. If CUSA loses two, due to the new TV and CFP revenue model, they'd be hard pressed to argue the merits of replenishing to stay at 14.

The ONLY reason CUSA would add two to stay at 14 is to play the perception game. If they lose Marshall and someone else they'll be exposed as being weak...replenishing to maintain the perception of strength. But they'd be doing so at the cost of a couple hundred thousand dollars revenue split per school.

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Re: Possibles for Big 12 expansion

Unread post by WVAppsfan » Wed May 11, 2016 9:52 am

Looks like Memphis will be in the drivers seat for the expansion, $$$$ talk and they have FED EX driving the armored car. Bye Bye Phillips 76 hello FED EX. http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-fo ... in-big-12/
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Unread post by WVAppsfan » Wed May 11, 2016 9:54 am

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WVAppsfan wrote:Are you saying that JMU is more attractive than Georgia Southern or App State? I disagree. Do you feel that a Liberty, Jacksonville, Jacksonville State, or North Dakota State is more attractive than teams from the Sun Belt? I disagree again.
I think what he's trying to say is the proverbial realignment buck will stop before it gets to the Sunbelt. If two are pulled from AAC, they could and likely would pull the best two CUSA schools....Marshall, Southern Miss, whoever. CUSA is currently at a bloated number of 14 members. If CUSA loses two, due to the new TV and CFP revenue model, they'd be hard pressed to argue the merits of replenishing to stay at 14.

The ONLY reason CUSA would add two to stay at 14 is to play the perception game. If they lose Marshall and someone else they'll be exposed as being weak...replenishing to maintain the perception of strength. But they'd be doing so at the cost of a couple hundred thousand dollars revenue split per school.

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It is all conjecture at this point, but CUSA would need to expand. They would have an uneven number losing 2, UAB is not playing football for the next two years. And they are coming back.
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Unread post by APPdiesel » Wed May 11, 2016 12:26 pm

WVAppsfan wrote:
APPdiesel wrote:
WVAppsfan wrote:Are you saying that JMU is more attractive than Georgia Southern or App State? I disagree. Do you feel that a Liberty, Jacksonville, Jacksonville State, or North Dakota State is more attractive than teams from the Sun Belt? I disagree again.
I think what he's trying to say is the proverbial realignment buck will stop before it gets to the Sunbelt. If two are pulled from AAC, they could and likely would pull the best two CUSA schools....Marshall, Southern Miss, whoever. CUSA is currently at a bloated number of 14 members. If CUSA loses two, due to the new TV and CFP revenue model, they'd be hard pressed to argue the merits of replenishing to stay at 14.

The ONLY reason CUSA would add two to stay at 14 is to play the perception game. If they lose Marshall and someone else they'll be exposed as being weak...replenishing to maintain the perception of strength. But they'd be doing so at the cost of a couple hundred thousand dollars revenue split per school.

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It is all conjecture at this point, but CUSA would need to expand. They would have an uneven number losing 2, UAB is not playing football for the next two years. And they are coming back.
In that case, maybe adding just 1 to even it back up at 12 since the departure of 2 would leave them at 11 football members (until UAB returns)....hmmm good question. Will CUSA have learned their lesson and go for competitiveness or make the same mistake again and value marketz? Tune in next week to find out...

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Re: Possibles for Big 12 expansion

Unread post by APPdiesel » Wed May 11, 2016 12:30 pm

If it's marketz only I see them pulling Ga State. Competitiveness...hmm that could go any direction. ULL, Arkansas St, App, Ga Southern. Though I think we are joined at the hip with the stinky eagles. One doesn't go anywhere without the other.

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Re: Possibles for Big 12 expansion

Unread post by WVAppsfan » Wed May 11, 2016 2:05 pm

If wasn't enough country music icon Garth Brooks weighs in asking an SEC East team to join the Big 12, read this for yourself. In my opinion you would be taking in Friends in Low Place with this bunch.

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Re: Possibles for Big 12 expansion

Unread post by bigdaddyg » Wed May 11, 2016 3:54 pm

While it would be really cool for App to move to a better conference for football, the thought of us getting stomped regularly in baseball and basketball for a while is not appealing. Of course it isn't like we could make a jump whenever we wish or at the point when the other sports are more competitive. It will all be interesting. Always is.

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Re: Possibles for Big 12 expansion

Unread post by Yosef84 » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:21 pm

For the record, guys....Arkansas is in the SEC West.

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Re: Possibles for Big 12 expansion

Unread post by MtnDevil95 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:57 pm

ECU lobbying for Big12 spot getting spun up:

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Re: Possibles for Big 12 expansion

Unread post by CVAPP » Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:46 am

I am not sure an endorsement of their candidacy from McCrory does anything to help, but it certainly might not help.

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Re: Possibles for Big 12 expansion

Unread post by NattyBumppo'sRevenge » Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:18 am

I'd add to that, but probably not the appropriate thread.

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Re: Possibles for Big 12 expansion

Unread post by CVAPP » Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:47 pm

NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote:I'd add to that, but probably not the appropriate thread.
I thought the same thing before I posted it, but realistically any discussion of conference expansion and realignment is in large part a discussion of politics.

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Re: Possibles for Big 12 expansion

Unread post by App91 » Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:26 pm

CVAPP wrote:I am not sure an endorsement of their candidacy from McCrory does anything to help, but it certainly might not help.
Same can be said about Cooper, in some circles. That most certainly goes both ways.

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Re: Possibles for Big 12 expansion

Unread post by bcoach » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:20 pm

App91 wrote:
CVAPP wrote:I am not sure an endorsement of their candidacy from McCrory does anything to help, but it certainly might not help.
Same can be said about Cooper, in some circles. That most certainly goes both ways.
Seems like NC politicians sure like to get involved in ECU football. Maybe should spend more time on the jobs they are getting overpaid for.

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Re: Possibles for Big 12 expansion

Unread post by App91 » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:25 am

bcoach wrote:
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CVAPP wrote:I am not sure an endorsement of their candidacy from McCrory does anything to help, but it certainly might not help.
Same can be said about Cooper, in some circles. That most certainly goes both ways.
Seems like NC politicians sure like to get involved in ECU football. Maybe should spend more time on the jobs they are getting overpaid for.
Pandering on both sides

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Re: Possibles for Big 12 expansion

Unread post by EastHallApp » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:36 am

App91 wrote:
Pandering on both sides
That is, unquestionably, correct. However, I think they're just doing what any governor would and should do - advocating for a move that would be an economic boon for one of the state's largest universities and its surrounding community. I don't think it will make much difference - especially since I don't believe the Big XII is seriously considering ECU - but if App were in a similar position I'd sure hope our elected officials would do the same for us.

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Re: Possibles for Big 12 expansion

Unread post by Appsolutely » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:11 am

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Re: Possibles for Big 12 expansion

Unread post by Saint3333 » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:43 am

Pimpin' ain't EZu

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