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Re: Coming back in from the ledge

Unread post by Gonzo » Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:52 am

DaphneUrquhart wrote:
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Double A wrote:Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
I wish Saturday night's game was a "Germany bombing Pearl Harbor" moment. Since that never happened and all...
Animal House reference.

Oh my. It's been too long since I've seen that movie. :oops:

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Re: Coming back in from the ledge

Unread post by DaphneUrquhart » Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:38 pm

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DaphneUrquhart wrote:
Gonzo wrote:
Double A wrote:Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
I wish Saturday night's game was a "Germany bombing Pearl Harbor" moment. Since that never happened and all...
Animal House reference.

Oh my. It's been too long since I've seen that movie. :oops:
Not sure which is worse .... not having seen the movie in a long time or letting an old fuddy-duddy female get the drop on you ... double secret probation it is!
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Re: Coming back in from the ledge

Unread post by scatman77 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:42 pm

Double A wrote:Though the disappointment and frustration of last night still lingers, and most analyses and criticisms on the board are right on the mark, our team needs us to stay on board.
Consider:
* We could have played a very good game and still lost last night.
* Last night didn't cost us a national championship, playoff spot, or conference championship.
* We were never going to go undefeated this year.
* Lessons were learned and changes will surely be made. We have a month before the Citadel to straighten the ship.
* The conference is awful, and our mythical "conference championship" should still come down to a Black Saturday showdown with the Stink,
* Our youngsters, and hopefully, coaching staff, who will lead us into the FBS got some valuable experience last night
* Talking about how badly Georgia or Michigan would beat us is not constructive. The fact is, last night we sent an inexperienced team, with a new coach, new defense, undersized offensive and defensive lines, a gun-shy QB coming off an ACL surgery minus his number one receiver, into the loudest, most difficult environment, to play a revenge minded football power whom we've never beaten at their place (even with a Sr. Armanti Edwards).

Even our title years included disappointing losses, so let's get back on board, support the boys, and see just how much better we can get. We've got a lot of football left to play.

Give 'em he'll APPS. We are STILL behind you.

Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough... The Apps kick ass!!

Give "Em Hell Apps!
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Re: Coming back in from the ledge

Unread post by Decks » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:24 pm

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Gonzo wrote:I've steered clear of the MMB for the most part to avoid posting something I would regret. I don't think it was the L itself that has us all dooming and glooming, it's the manner in which we lost.

Offense was our alleged strong suit. I'm sorry but I'll be sitting with my legs over the edge until I see something that resembles what we're capable of with these players. And blowing out A&T next week won't be sufficient to ease my despair.
Agreed. The fact that we lost is way down on my list of disappointments from last night. I still have faith in these players and the coaching staff, but there are a lot of questions now that no one thought we had to answer. I feel really bad for Satterfield because he only got one chance to make a first impression as a head coach and it was a resounding thud. There is a lot of season left to get things fixed, but we won't learn anything from playing A&T.
A&T fan here and I certainly hope that last sentence doesn't hold true. Based on previous results I can understand the low expecatation but we've been steadily improving. Hopefully we can make this a somewhat competitive contest. :D

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Re: Coming back in from the ledge

Unread post by Double A » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:53 pm

(Forget it.....he's rollin'....)

What the heck happened to the Apps I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest season of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst.! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. El Cid, he's a dead man! Stinko, dead! Furball...

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Re: Coming back in from the ledge

Unread post by AppGrad1 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:02 pm

Guess what I am now?
A zit!

FOOD FIGHT!

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Re: Coming back in from the ledge

Unread post by hapapp » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:15 pm

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hapapp wrote:Who do you think is ill-suited?
The entire defensive line. The 3-4 is predicated on the 3 down linemen being able to take up multiple blockers and leave the attacking to the linebackers. At a minimum the NT needs to be that. We have nobody on the roster capable of being that guy right now. The largest is a freshman at 285, so maybe he will grow into it. That was very evident at Montana, there was zero push up front to stop either the run or the pass.

Now perhaps other FCS OL's will be smaller and more of an equal match for us. But similar to the Montana DL being much more FBS-like, I think the Montana OL was as well. I'm not thinking about this year, or even next year. In order to consistently compete at teh FBS level with a 3-4 defense, they have got to upgrade the push from the interior DL against opposion OL that will be as big or bigger than what Montana has.

We probably won't get embarrassed on the front lines again this badly until Georgia. But that in no way means we are on the right path to being ready for FBS caliber linemen on both sides of the ball. I do not believe that those players are on the roster right now (from a quick look), the next 2 years recruiting will tell the story.
Obviously, Coach Woody disagrees. He requested that the DL lose some weight by the time fall camp came around. I'm not saying that your logic is misplaced or that I disagree with it but clearly Woody has a different view.

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Re: Coming back in from the ledge

Unread post by TheMoody1 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:32 pm

App grad crashes Montana post game victory party.


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Unread post by DaphneUrquhart » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:50 pm

Decks wrote: A&T fan here and I certainly hope that last sentence doesn't hold true. Based on previous results I can understand the low expecatation but we've been steadily improving. Hopefully we can make this a somewhat competitive contest. :D
Decks, I certainly hope App learns a great deal in the next several days. We clearly have things to work on. Be sure to pass the word to A&T fans that we're having fireworks after the game and both bands will play post-game shows as well.

Looking forward to having y'all in Boone. Wander into the stadium lot (#76) and say "hey" or have some late lunch with us.
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Re: Coming back in from the ledge

Unread post by Gonzo » Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:19 pm

Decks wrote:
appst89 wrote:
Gonzo wrote:I've steered clear of the MMB for the most part to avoid posting something I would regret. I don't think it was the L itself that has us all dooming and glooming, it's the manner in which we lost.

Offense was our alleged strong suit. I'm sorry but I'll be sitting with my legs over the edge until I see something that resembles what we're capable of with these players. And blowing out A&T next week won't be sufficient to ease my despair.
Agreed. The fact that we lost is way down on my list of disappointments from last night. I still have faith in these players and the coaching staff, but there are a lot of questions now that no one thought we had to answer. I feel really bad for Satterfield because he only got one chance to make a first impression as a head coach and it was a resounding thud. There is a lot of season left to get things fixed, but we won't learn anything from playing A&T.
A&T fan here and I certainly hope that last sentence doesn't hold true. Based on previous results I can understand the low expecatation but we've been steadily improving. Hopefully we can make this a somewhat competitive contest. :D
I look forward to possibly meeting some of your fans and I hope y'all enjoy your trip, but with all do respect, if we let a game with a MEAC school become the slightest bit competitive, it does NOT bode well for an FBS transitional program.

I have a feeling the Montana game was a Citadel level wakeup call for the Black and Gold and the Apps will come out with anger.

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Re: Coming back in from the ledge

Unread post by appstate77 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:20 pm

The year was 2004. The decision was made to go to a new wide open offense and to start four young DBs in hopes they would develop into something. No one knew for certain what would happen, but the decision was made and carried through.

The rest is history. The Spread put us on the map. Those four young men have names like Lynch, Wozeah, Touchstone, etc. That first year for the team was Hell on Wheels including a serious butt kicking at Wyoming. However now we know what they accomplished including the NC rings and SoCon rings. Their first tough year made them ready for what was to come.

Fast Forward to 2013. A young defensive secondary, young linebacking corp, new RB's, wounded and not ready to play QB enter their first game under a new coaching staff, with an announced movement to the highest level of college football. They played their first game in a place that, until 20 years ago, would have been flagged most every play for excessive noise.(For you youngsters, that used to be a penalty!) This brand new version Mountaineer team got their backsides handed to them.

My question is, in four years where will this team be? What Bowl games or SB rings will they earn. What will the gauntlet they will run this year make them ready to do in, say 2015-16? I say a lot.

I do not give up on this year. I still see 8-9 wins are possible--(losses to UGA, Stink or Woffie in addition to Montana.) The 04 team managed to win 6 games I recall.

However I am looking at what these 18-22 year olds are learning about life through football and how resilient they will become against FBS competition and how in time we will look back on them with pride as young men and as a football team that took us to the FBS level.

I shall be in my seats this Saturday and after Saturday night, I STILL bought tickets for the next home game I can get to as I work on weekends. I am also planning to attend games against The Citadel, Woffie, and Vermin on the road.

GO APPS!!! BEAT A+T!!!!!!!!!!

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Unread post by DaphneUrquhart » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:50 pm

Amen!!!!!!!!!
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Gonzo wrote:
Decks wrote:
appst89 wrote:
Gonzo wrote:I've steered clear of the MMB for the most part to avoid posting something I would regret. I don't think it was the L itself that has us all dooming and glooming, it's the manner in which we lost.

Offense was our alleged strong suit. I'm sorry but I'll be sitting with my legs over the edge until I see something that resembles what we're capable of with these players. And blowing out A&T next week won't be sufficient to ease my despair.
Agreed. The fact that we lost is way down on my list of disappointments from last night. I still have faith in these players and the coaching staff, but there are a lot of questions now that no one thought we had to answer. I feel really bad for Satterfield because he only got one chance to make a first impression as a head coach and it was a resounding thud. There is a lot of season left to get things fixed, but we won't learn anything from playing A&T.
A&T fan here and I certainly hope that last sentence doesn't hold true. Based on previous results I can understand the low expecatation but we've been steadily improving. Hopefully we can make this a somewhat competitive contest. :D
I look forward to possibly meeting some of your fans and I hope y'all enjoy your trip, but with all do respect, if we let a game with a MEAC school become the slightest bit competitive, it does NOT bode well for an FBS transitional program.

I have a feeling the Montana game was a Citadel level wakeup call for the Black and Gold and the Apps will come out with anger.
A&T will not have nearly the level of talent we will put on the field, but Satterfield will meet his match coaching against Rod Broadway. Rod won't get out coached, but the lack of talent may not let him show his capabilities.
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Re: Coming back in from the ledge

Unread post by MAD Doctor » Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:54 pm

I've known Broadway since his days at West Stanly and Carolina. He is a good coach and person. With that said, Coach Satterfield can hold his own and then some.

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Unread post by Yosef84 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:04 am

Broadway has done an excellent job of improving A&T despite the reduced scholarships that he is dealing with. At the end of our last game, he got upset about App scoring "unnecessarily". Although I think he was simply frustrated because we were playing subs (and had been for quite a while in that game), I think Broadway will have the Aggies fired up. We will catch their best shot. Yes, App will have the better athletes on the field. That is true against almost any FCS team we play (this past week is an exception). Just my opinion, but I think this type of game is exactly what we need right now and if we don't learn anything, it is an opportunity missed.

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Unread post by JCline0429 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:23 am

MAD Doctor wrote:I've known Broadway since his days at West Stanly and Carolina. He is a good coach and person. With that said, Coach Satterfield can hold his own and then some.
I have also. I was helping the West Stanly program when John Davis was the Head Coach and Larry Wagner was assistant coach while Rod was a senior. I think App will prevail easily Saturday due to our superior talent. Rod has much more experience and has proven he can develop a program at almost any level. Satterfield is young but has the potential to be the coach Rod already is.
I stayed in touch with Rod when he was playing at Carolina, coaching and recruiting atDuke, coaching at Central and Grambling.
We have the talent that should be able to hang a ton on the Aggies.
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Unread post by JCline0429 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:31 am

Yosef84 wrote:Broadway has done an excellent job of improving A&T despite the reduced scholarships that he is dealing with. At the end of our last game, he got upset about App scoring "unnecessarily". Although I think he was simply frustrated because we were playing subs (and had been for quite a while in that game), I think Broadway will have the Aggies fired up. We will catch their best shot. Yes, App will have the better athletes on the field. That is true against almost any FCS team we play (this past week is an exception). Just my opinion, but I think this type of game is exactly what we need right now and if we don't learn anything, it is an opportunity missed.
Rod was justified in being disheartened with us hanging 58 on the Aggies. A&T was coming off a 1-10 year under the previous coach. He would not likely have done that to us.
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Re: Coming back in from the ledge

Unread post by appst89 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:09 am

JCline0429 wrote:
Yosef84 wrote:Broadway has done an excellent job of improving A&T despite the reduced scholarships that he is dealing with. At the end of our last game, he got upset about App scoring "unnecessarily". Although I think he was simply frustrated because we were playing subs (and had been for quite a while in that game), I think Broadway will have the Aggies fired up. We will catch their best shot. Yes, App will have the better athletes on the field. That is true against almost any FCS team we play (this past week is an exception). Just my opinion, but I think this type of game is exactly what we need right now and if we don't learn anything, it is an opportunity missed.
Rod was justified in being disheartened with us hanging 58 on the Aggies. A&T was coming off a 1-10 year under the previous coach. He would not likely have done that to us.
We had the second/third team in the game. They work hard in practice and deserve their opportunity when they get it. It is not our job to protect the feelings of the opposing team. Their job is to stop whoever we have on the field. If they can't then it isn't our problem nor is it something their coach should be upset about. And yes, it goes both ways. When we got blown out at Va. Tech, the most upsetting thing to me that day was them taking a knee in the 4th quarter. If we couldn't keep them out of the endzone then they should have punched it in. Those kids on the field at that time didn't bust their asses in practice and get mauled by the starters to take a knee when they got their chance.

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appst89 wrote:
JCline0429 wrote:
Yosef84 wrote:Broadway has done an excellent job of improving A&T despite the reduced scholarships that he is dealing with. At the end of our last game, he got upset about App scoring "unnecessarily". Although I think he was simply frustrated because we were playing subs (and had been for quite a while in that game), I think Broadway will have the Aggies fired up. We will catch their best shot. Yes, App will have the better athletes on the field. That is true against almost any FCS team we play (this past week is an exception). Just my opinion, but I think this type of game is exactly what we need right now and if we don't learn anything, it is an opportunity missed.
Rod was justified in being disheartened with us hanging 58 on the Aggies. A&T was coming off a 1-10 year under the previous coach. He would not likely have done that to us.
We had the second/third team in the game. They work hard in practice and deserve their opportunity when they get it. It is not our job to protect the feelings of the opposing team. Their job is to stop whoever we have on the field. If they can't then it isn't our problem nor is it something their coach should be upset about. And yes, it goes both ways. When we got blown out at Va. Tech, the most upsetting thing to me that day was them taking a knee in the 4th quarter. If we couldn't keep them out of the endzone then they should have punched it in. Those kids on the field at that time didn't bust their asses in practice and get mauled by the starters to take a knee when they got their chance.

I agree with you for the most part, but I would hate to see what Rod could have done to us with his talent and hope like hell they don't play us when he gets things rolling.
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Re: Coming back in from the ledge

Unread post by rbarthle17 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:04 am

hapapp wrote:Obviously, Coach Woody disagrees. He requested that the DL lose some weight by the time fall camp came around. I'm not saying that your logic is misplaced or that I disagree with it but clearly Woody has a different view.
You're right, I completely don't get that logic. But he gets paid to coach football players and I get paid for something entirely different. :D

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