Let's talk about Clark

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by yosef69 » Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:04 am

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The lists are there and have been there for several years - I read them weekly in game notes and digital programs - I have forwarded them to friends - But I have never said, nor heard any sports person say APP or anyone else was tracking to be the UGA/Bama of the G5
Probably because you are a WVU fan

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by Wally » Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:13 am

Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:18 am

yosef69 wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:04 am
WVAPPeer wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:36 am
The lists are there and have been there for several years - I read them weekly in game notes and digital programs - I have forwarded them to friends - But I have never said, nor heard any sports person say APP or anyone else was tracking to be the UGA/Bama of the G5
Probably because you are a WVU fan
maybe you should explain this statement
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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by yosef69 » Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:37 am

Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:13 am
Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.
Neither Satt nor drink has an L to Texas state either.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by yosef69 » Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:41 am

WVAPPeer wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:18 am
yosef69 wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:04 am
WVAPPeer wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:36 am
The lists are there and have been there for several years - I read them weekly in game notes and digital programs - I have forwarded them to friends - But I have never said, nor heard any sports person say APP or anyone else was tracking to be the UGA/Bama of the G5
Probably because you are a WVU fan
maybe you should explain this statement
You didn’t hear those things bc you aren’t paying attention bc you are a WVU fan. Hope this helps!

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by MrCraig » Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:42 am

Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:13 am
Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.
Clark also has a six loss season, a season without a bowl, and a bowl loss. Satt and Drink didn't have any of those. The last four years the highs have been high, but the lows have been low.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by AppSt91 » Thu Oct 05, 2023 9:19 am

yosef69 wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:37 am
Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:13 am
Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.
Neither Satt nor drink has an L to Texas state either.
Also, multiple losses to Coastal and Louisiana.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by yosef69 » Thu Oct 05, 2023 9:29 am

AppSt91 wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 9:19 am
yosef69 wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:37 am
Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:13 am
Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.
Neither Satt nor drink has an L to Texas state either.
Also, multiple losses to Coastal and Louisiana.
They both never missed a bowl or got absolutely blown out in a bowl either. Or even lost a bowl.

We can play this game all day.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by AppStFan1 » Thu Oct 05, 2023 9:36 am

Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:13 am
Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.
I know people count who was ranked at the time of the game but I look back at the season. Those two teams were ranked at the time but we all know neither were really a legit top 25 team. TAMU fell apart that year and was nowhere near a top 25 team. They were not even top 40-50. Coastal lost again after our game and they did not finish the year ranked either. Shawn's best win looking back happened to be the Troy game last year since they finished ranked #19/#20.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by AppState00_01 » Thu Oct 05, 2023 9:51 am

I don’t think we talk enough about the main stat that counts in football, the turnovers. I believe who won the turnover battle has predicted every outcome this season, except the end of game heroics at Monroe. We do have a young team, but hopefully we will continue to improve the stat on the offensive side of the ball. It would be interesting to trend the scores the past several years with the turnover differential.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by Wally » Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:08 am

yosef69 wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:37 am
Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:13 am
Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.
Neither Satt nor drink has an L to Texas state either.
You are correct, but Drink lost to a 5-3 (eventual 7-6) Ga Southern team because they refused to prepare for a rival game, and Satt lost to a terrible 2-6 (eventual 2-10) UMass team and a bad 4-5 (eventual 4-8) ULM team in back-to-back weeks.

Guess everybody has a bad loss every now and then.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by yosef69 » Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:10 am

Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:08 am
yosef69 wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:37 am
Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:13 am
Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.
Neither Satt nor drink has an L to Texas state either.
You are correct, but Drink lost to a 5-3 (eventual 7-6) Ga Southern team because they refused to prepare for a rival game, and Satt lost to a terrible 2-6 (eventual 2-10) UMass team and a bad 4-5 (eventual 4-8) ULM team in back-to-back weeks.

Guess everybody has a bad loss every now and then.
Rivalry game get a pass in my opinion. Really weird game vs southern in 2019. And if memory serves me we were driving to win and ran out of time at the end

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by Wally » Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:13 am

MrCraig wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:42 am
Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:13 am
Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.
Clark also has a six loss season, a season without a bowl, and a bowl loss. Satt and Drink didn't have any of those. The last four years the highs have been high, but the lows have been low.
Make a 27-yd fg to beat Ga Southern and this conversation doesn't really happen. Add to that, complete the 2-pt conversion against UNC and all of a sudden you are 8-4, not too bad. Add to that the absolute worst interference call against JMU that I've ever seen, and we most likely win that one... 9-3. Last season we were a little unlucky and couldn't get off the field on 3rd down, but we were so close.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by Wally » Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:15 am

yosef69 wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:10 am
Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:08 am
yosef69 wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:37 am
Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:13 am
Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.
Neither Satt nor drink has an L to Texas state either.
You are correct, but Drink lost to a 5-3 (eventual 7-6) Ga Southern team because they refused to prepare for a rival game, and Satt lost to a terrible 2-6 (eventual 2-10) UMass team and a bad 4-5 (eventual 4-8) ULM team in back-to-back weeks.

Guess everybody has a bad loss every now and then.
Rivalry game get a pass in my opinion. Really weird game vs southern in 2019. And if memory serves me we were driving to win and ran out of time at the end
Oh, I totally agree... not to mention how terrible the weather was that day, one of the coldest I've ever been in the stands. If we had 2 minutes more we very likely would have gotten that game, too.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by yosef69 » Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:16 am

Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:15 am
yosef69 wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:10 am
Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:08 am
yosef69 wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:37 am
Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:13 am
Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.
Neither Satt nor drink has an L to Texas state either.
You are correct, but Drink lost to a 5-3 (eventual 7-6) Ga Southern team because they refused to prepare for a rival game, and Satt lost to a terrible 2-6 (eventual 2-10) UMass team and a bad 4-5 (eventual 4-8) ULM team in back-to-back weeks.

Guess everybody has a bad loss every now and then.
Rivalry game get a pass in my opinion. Really weird game vs southern in 2019. And if memory serves me we were driving to win and ran out of time at the end
Oh, I totally agree... not to mention how terrible the weather was that day, one of the coldest I've ever been in the stands. If we had 2 minutes more we very likely would have gotten that game, too.
Yup, was at that one but hit brown town a little too hard so that’s why the ending drive is a little hazy :)

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by Bigdaddyg1 » Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:17 am

If you took the overall top 50 teams over the past 7 or so years would App be there? If so, and if you do look at those teams how many "bad losses" would each have? The obvious outliers are probably Georgia, Ohio State, Alabama, etc. I'd say that the App losing to UMass equivalent for a Georgia would be if they lost to a Georgia State. Do we have, as a percentage more bad losses over that time frame?

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by Saint3333 » Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:25 am

yosef69 wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:10 am
Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:08 am
yosef69 wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:37 am
Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:13 am
Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.
Neither Satt nor drink has an L to Texas state either.
You are correct, but Drink lost to a 5-3 (eventual 7-6) Ga Southern team because they refused to prepare for a rival game, and Satt lost to a terrible 2-6 (eventual 2-10) UMass team and a bad 4-5 (eventual 4-8) ULM team in back-to-back weeks.

Guess everybody has a bad loss every now and then.
Rivalry game get a pass in my opinion. Really weird game vs southern in 2019. And if memory serves me we were driving to win and ran out of time at the end
Drink does not get a pass there. He approached Hate Week terribly and called it love week. He didn't understand the rivalry and the team was ill-prepared.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:30 am

yosef69 wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:10 am
Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:08 am
yosef69 wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:37 am
Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:13 am
Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.
Neither Satt nor drink has an L to Texas state either.
You are correct, but Drink lost to a 5-3 (eventual 7-6) Ga Southern team because they refused to prepare for a rival game, and Satt lost to a terrible 2-6 (eventual 2-10) UMass team and a bad 4-5 (eventual 4-8) ULM team in back-to-back weeks.

Guess everybody has a bad loss every now and then.
Rivalry game get a pass in my opinion. Really weird game vs southern in 2019. And if memory serves me we were driving to win and ran out of time at the end
So Drink gets a pass...but Clark does not on an end of game blocked FG at Wyoming. Clark put team in position to win. Hughes had the leg to do it..it got blocked. Drink's loss, IMO, was one of the worst in App. St. history. We were on our way to an undefeated season and lost to an average SB team that he did not fully understand what the rivalry meant. In addition, after a couple of dropped passes, he abandoned the pass until he had no other choice...
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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by yosef69 » Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:32 am

BambooRdApp wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:30 am
yosef69 wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:10 am
Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:08 am
yosef69 wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:37 am
Wally wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:13 am
Clark has 2 wins against top-25 ranked teams ('21 Coastal, '22 TAMU). Satt didn't beat any ranked teams, neither did Drink.
Neither Satt nor drink has an L to Texas state either.
You are correct, but Drink lost to a 5-3 (eventual 7-6) Ga Southern team because they refused to prepare for a rival game, and Satt lost to a terrible 2-6 (eventual 2-10) UMass team and a bad 4-5 (eventual 4-8) ULM team in back-to-back weeks.

Guess everybody has a bad loss every now and then.
Rivalry game get a pass in my opinion. Really weird game vs southern in 2019. And if memory serves me we were driving to win and ran out of time at the end
So Drink gets a pass...but Clark does not on an end of game blocked FG at Wyoming. Clark put team in position to win. Hughes had the leg to do it..it got blocked. Drink's loss, IMO, was one of the worst in App. St. history. We were on our way to an undefeated season and lost to an average SB team that he did not fully understand what the rivalry meant. In addition, after a couple of dropped passes, he abandoned the pass until he had no other choice...
Fine. That’s on me. Pass was the wrong word.

Still finished the season ranked after picking up a p5 win the next week.

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Re: Let's talk about Clark

Unread post by ArmantiWaterSafety » Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:47 am

BambooRdApp wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:30 am
So Drink gets a pass...but Clark does not on an end of game blocked FG at Wyoming. Clark put team in position to win. Hughes had the leg to do it..it got blocked. Drink's loss, IMO, was one of the worst in App. St. history. We were on our way to an undefeated season and lost to an average SB team that he did not fully understand what the rivalry meant. In addition, after a couple of dropped passes, he abandoned the pass until he had no other choice...
So, agreed Drink definitely does not get a pass of the reasons you listed there.

However, it wasn't just a couple of dropped passes. No one could catch a damn thing, and there were 40 mph wind gusts and it was sleeting and freezing balls. I think the strategy to abandon the pass was his only option because literally no one could catch a ball.

Not that I'm still bitter about that game or anything....

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