The cancer on this program is

[DenverOfTheEast]

Denver, just so you know FCS is division I.

Be a man and mention me, And it's 1-AA. FCS is not the same as FBS, scholarships limits are different. Know the ins and outs before you debate me.

FBS
P5
G5
FCS or 1-AA Scholarships are less than FBS.
D2
D3
NAIA
Junior College
High School
and then Watooga HS

I like your points but your two degrees didn't teach you everything.

FBS and FCS are both Division 1. Perhaps you should know that before you call out others. If a school sponsors football, it has to be D1 in order for their basketball program to be D1, thus FCS is considered D1 football. Everyone knows the scholarship numbers are different, but that wasn't the debate. The debate was D1, and you were wrong. You should apologize.

1-AA FCS and FBS are two separate entities....

Basketball is (ALL 363 or 364) play for 1 NATIONAL TITLE!!!!

FBS has a college playoff system and Bowl games 134 teams - CBSsports.com ranks them weekly actually a good read

FCS or 1-AA has a 16 or 32 team playoff. -- no one cares about this really anymore.

Learns college athletic sports before entering into the unknown with the DOTE.

[appst89]

Denver, just so you know FCS is division I.

Be a man and mention me, And it's 1-AA. FCS is not the same as FBS, scholarships limits are different. Know the ins and outs before you debate me.

FBS
P5
G5
FCS or 1-AA Scholarships are less than FBS.
D2
D3
NAIA
Junior College
High School
and then Watooga HS

I like your points but your two degrees didn't teach you everything.

FBS and FCS are both Division 1. Perhaps you should know that before you call out others. If a school sponsors football, it has to be D1 in order for their basketball program to be D1, thus FCS is considered D1 football. Everyone knows the scholarship numbers are different, but that wasn't the debate. The debate was D1, and you were wrong. You should apologize.

1-AA FCS and FBS are two separate entities....

Basketball is (ALL 363 or 364) play for 1 NATIONAL TITLE!!!!

FBS has a college playoff system and Bowl games 134 teams - CBSsports.com ranks them weekly actually a good read

FCS or 1-AA has a 16 or 32 team playoff. -- no one cares about this really anymore.

Learns college athletic sports before entering into the unknown with the DOTE.

And they are still both D1.

And you're still wrong, and not just wrong, but belligerently wrong. Thanks for the laugh during this tough time.

[appdaze]

https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2021/2/16/o ... story.aspx

[appgrad95&97]

Denver, just so you know FCS is division I.

Be a man and mention me, And it's 1-AA. FCS is not the same as FBS, scholarships limits are different. Know the ins and outs before you debate me.

FBS
P5
G5
FCS or 1-AA Scholarships are less than FBS.
D2
D3
NAIA
Junior College
High School
and then Watooga HS

I like your points but your two degrees didn't teach you everything.

FBS and FCS are both Division 1. Perhaps you should know that before you call out others. If a school sponsors football, it has to be D1 in order for their basketball program to be D1, thus FCS is considered D1 football. Everyone knows the scholarship numbers are different, but that wasn't the debate. The debate was D1, and you were wrong. You should apologize.

1-AA FCS and FBS are two separate entities....

Basketball is (ALL 363 or 364) play for 1 NATIONAL TITLE!!!!

FBS has a college playoff system and Bowl games 134 teams - CBSsports.com ranks them weekly actually a good read

FCS or 1-AA has a 16 or 32 team playoff. -- no one cares about this really anymore.

Learns college athletic sports before entering into the unknown with the DOTE.

Dude, I get called out for my opinions all the time. That's what a message board is for. You've been called out on a FACT. '89 may be a moron, I almost certainly am, but Jeff Sagarin ranks 263 D-I football programs. At this point I am begging you to say you know more about college athletics than Sagarin does

[kornegaylw]

You have to remember that we are playing peer programs. So NIL isn’t the issue when USA and Marshall beat up on us. I wouldn’t have said this a few weeks ago but I think we are making too much out of the whole NIL thing. NIL will create an even greater gap between the P4 and the G5 but it shouldn’t hurt us against Sun Belt teams.

I don’t think we have a “cancer”. Just a really good guy who isn’t working out as a head coach.

Nice level headed post. It’s just not worked out.

The people that think that Marshall or south Alabama have some nil slush fund are completely wrong.

I agree with you both. Marshall is same boat as us, they aren't good either. I was thinking more JMU, Boise or even a TxSt coming from nowhere on the NIL part. There are G5 that will be showing up as we backslide due to lack of $$.

JMU and TxSt are not bigger NIL hitters than us.

jmu absolutly is. I have no idea about TxSt but jmu is.

JMU has more money on b/c they take larger athletic fees from their students. This is not allowed at the FBS level and JMU is in the process of reducing the amount they charge students. Its a phased reduction. I don't remember the figures but when you adjust their budget to not include the elevated student fees their atheltic budget is on par with the rest of the Sun Belt.

If someone with more knowledge on this topic would like to correct me then please do.

[teller]

Nope, and I never said I thought he did, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. The retread comment is for the inevitable new hire. If we grab another retread, I believe there is a high possibility we slide into ECU territory of mediocrity. That is why we need to get new blood.

Maybe you didn't mean to but that is exactly what you did say.

Can you quote and highlight exactly where I said SC wants mediocrity? I'm genuinely curious.

" instead of another retread ready to settle into mediocrity."

Ok, I can see how in the context of the the thread that could have been interpreted to mean SC. But I was meaning it toward another "safe" hire instead of bringing in an out of the family coach. If we bring in another App guy then mediocrity will be our new norm. We may have a good season here and there but there will be many 6-6 seasons.

Wait, what!?!?! Since when are .500 seasons acceptable at APP?!?! Adapt or die. Aka change with the landscape. APP STATE HAS NOT DONE THAT YET - RECRUITING...HIRING...TRANSFER PORTAL. Only players we've pulled from the portal are players who didn't play at their previous schools and we are now seeing why. Changes have to start at the top. Point blank period.

[kornegaylw]

I don't believe Gillin or money is the problem. Gillin has proven he can identify talent and we have something incredibly marketable and attractive on the mountain.

Id also say Clark isn't 100% the issue either...He has had to battle against poor recruiting from Drink, COVID and an expectation to succeed with returning talent since 2020. That returning talent has been increasingly supplemented with transfers. Building a team with transfers rather than the traditional way is risky. What we've seen this year is a product of all of this.

I believe we need expect our team to be built from the ground up, the Appalachian way, with players and coaches that want to be on the mountain. There is no team in the Sun Belt that has the total package like us and there's no reason we can be that way soon.

Good structures are built in strong foundations. We need to focus on the foundation right now.

I seem to be diametrically opposed because the way football is done has evolved at the speed of light the last four years, we can be left further behind. Blaming Covid and Drink is like blaming an ex-President for current woes, time has expired on those items.

You are correct. We cannot exist without transfer and I welcome them to our program. Guys like Kaedin Robinson and Bucky Williams are prime examples of that.

That said I believe the best teams now and in the future are ones built with players who have been in the program for more than a year or since they were freshman.

Remember at the beginning of the year the entire CFB world was bashing Dabo at Clemson for not taking transfers? He responded by saying he prefers to recruit from HS and pay to retain rather than get guys out of the portal. Well look at Clemson now...Dabo doesn't seem like such an idiot does he?

We may never be able to have a program run liken Clemson is run but the Appalachian Way should be built around these concepts and princples.

[kornegaylw]

You have to remember that we are playing peer programs. So NIL isn’t the issue when USA and Marshall beat up on us. I wouldn’t have said this a few weeks ago but I think we are making too much out of the whole NIL thing. NIL will create an even greater gap between the P4 and the G5 but it shouldn’t hurt us against Sun Belt teams.

I don’t think we have a “cancer”. Just a really good guy who isn’t working out as a head coach.

Nice level headed post. It’s just not worked out.

The people that think that Marshall or south Alabama have some nil slush fund are completely wrong.

I agree with you both. Marshall is same boat as us, they aren't good either. I was thinking more JMU, Boise or even a TxSt coming from nowhere on the NIL part. There are G5 that will be showing up as we backslide due to lack of $$.

JMU and TxSt are not bigger NIL hitters than us.

Go ahead and add ULM to that list.

Sure...and I bet the at least half of the Sun Belt don't do as good a job as we do.

I hated hearing it but we really need our fans an alumni to donate to help us grow and be what we want them to be.

[BambooRdApp]

I don't believe Gillin or money is the problem. Gillin has proven he can identify talent and we have something incredibly marketable and attractive on the mountain.

Id also say Clark isn't 100% the issue either...He has had to battle against poor recruiting from Drink, COVID and an expectation to succeed with returning talent since 2020. That returning talent has been increasingly supplemented with transfers. Building a team with transfers rather than the traditional way is risky. What we've seen this year is a product of all of this.

I believe we need expect our team to be built from the ground up, the Appalachian way, with players and coaches that want to be on the mountain. There is no team in the Sun Belt that has the total package like us and there's no reason we can be that way soon.

Good structures are built in strong foundations. We need to focus on the foundation right now.

I seem to be diametrically opposed because the way football is done has evolved at the speed of light the last four years, we can be left further behind. Blaming Covid and Drink is like blaming an ex-President for current woes, time has expired on those items.

You are correct. We cannot exist without transfer and I welcome them to our program. Guys like Kaedin Robinson and Bucky Williams are prime examples of that.

That said I believe the best teams now and in the future are ones built with players who have been in the program for more than a year or since they were freshman.

Remember at the beginning of the year the entire CFB world was bashing Dabo at Clemson for not taking transfers? He responded by saying he prefers to recruit from HS and pay to retain rather than get guys out of the portal. Well look at Clemson now...Dabo doesn't seem like such an idiot does he?

We may never be able to have a program run liken Clemson is run but the Appalachian Way should be built around these concepts and princples.

I wish we could have it this way as preferred...the issue is pay for play...one of our best players goes to Auburn..hard to replace instantly...or, historically, we have found guys that may have potential...but not initial body to fit the role...so, a couple of years to develop....when we lose someone like McCloud (sp?) off cycle, we may not have had the underclassmen ready, etc. Maybe we should, it just doesn't seem that we are able to as quickly.
It would be awesome if we only needed 1, 2 or 3 transfers a year...be an awesome example at the G5 level for sure.

[kornegaylw]

I don't believe Gillin or money is the problem. Gillin has proven he can identify talent and we have something incredibly marketable and attractive on the mountain.

Id also say Clark isn't 100% the issue either...He has had to battle against poor recruiting from Drink, COVID and an expectation to succeed with returning talent since 2020. That returning talent has been increasingly supplemented with transfers. Building a team with transfers rather than the traditional way is risky. What we've seen this year is a product of all of this.

I believe we need expect our team to be built from the ground up, the Appalachian way, with players and coaches that want to be on the mountain. There is no team in the Sun Belt that has the total package like us and there's no reason we can be that way soon.

Good structures are built in strong foundations. We need to focus on the foundation right now.

I seem to be diametrically opposed because the way football is done has evolved at the speed of light the last four years, we can be left further behind. Blaming Covid and Drink is like blaming an ex-President for current woes, time has expired on those items.

You are correct. We cannot exist without transfer and I welcome them to our program. Guys like Kaedin Robinson and Bucky Williams are prime examples of that.

That said I believe the best teams now and in the future are ones built with players who have been in the program for more than a year or since they were freshman.

Remember at the beginning of the year the entire CFB world was bashing Dabo at Clemson for not taking transfers? He responded by saying he prefers to recruit from HS and pay to retain rather than get guys out of the portal. Well look at Clemson now...Dabo doesn't seem like such an idiot does he?

We may never be able to have a program run liken Clemson is run but the Appalachian Way should be built around these concepts and princples.

I wish we could have it this way as preferred...the issue is pay for play...one of our best players goes to Auburn..hard to replace instantly...or, historically, we have found guys that may have potential...but not initial body to fit the role...so, a couple of years to develop....when we lose someone like McCloud (sp?) off cycle, we may not have had the underclassmen ready, etc. Maybe we should, it just doesn't seem that we are able to as quickly.
It would be awesome if we only needed 1, 2 or 3 transfers a year...be an awesome example at the G5 level for sure.

Losing Jaylen McLeod hurt us last year. But he wouldn't be on this team this year. Yes we will good players to richer programs. Its going to happen. I'd argue that McLeod is the exception not the rule when it comes to talent. McLeod has done incredily well at Auburn and he had time on his side...Hes been paid 2 years to be there.

What I think will be more the norm and what we can actually expect and build a program with is guys like Nate Noel. He spent 4? years in Boone, got a degree, was a great contributer and then when the opporutnity presented its self he went to Mizzou and is showing off his skills.

What I think you are missing Bamboo is what many talking heads in CFB got wrong prior to the portal being instituted....thats that larger/richer programs don't want to pay for development, they want to pay for premier production...and that premier production wants to PLAY. Sure they'll get money if they go to a new school but will they get to PLAY? That playing time is why we see more parity in CFB then ever before.

I have faith that our program will figure this out sooner rather than later. The best thing we can do is to donate to the YC.

[Howard Street Hooligan]

don't think it's Doug but if he doesn't nail the next hire then he's got to go. I do wish he would have found a way for the school and the program to pony up enough money a year for us to be in the AAC though.

[Howard Street Hooligan]

Nice level headed post. It’s just not worked out.

The people that think that Marshall or south Alabama have some nil slush fund are completely wrong.

I agree with you both. Marshall is same boat as us, they aren't good either. I was thinking more JMU, Boise or even a TxSt coming from nowhere on the NIL part. There are G5 that will be showing up as we backslide due to lack of $$.

JMU and TxSt are not bigger NIL hitters than us.

jmu absolutly is. I have no idea about TxSt but jmu is.

JMU has more money on b/c they take larger athletic fees from their students. This is not allowed at the FBS level and JMU is in the process of reducing the amount they charge students. Its a phased reduction. I don't remember the figures but when you adjust their budget to not include the elevated student fees their atheltic budget is on par with the rest of the Sun Belt.

If someone with more knowledge on this topic would like to correct me then please do.

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/colleg ... 234771980/

had no idea but that's wild. Highest student fees of any school in the country.. Honestly, I've always said App needs to do this. I know it's unpopular but as a student, I gladly would have paid double whatever fee we had for us to compete. It's good for the schools image for sports to be good and attracts better students as well so go for it, Doug. It's kind of the only choice we have going forward. If only more of the living alumni donated as well then that would help too. In fairness, I don't know how to convince more people to give their money away but still. Even just $100 for 1/4 of the living alumni would go along way.

[kornegaylw]

I agree with you both. Marshall is same boat as us, they aren't good either. I was thinking more JMU, Boise or even a TxSt coming from nowhere on the NIL part. There are G5 that will be showing up as we backslide due to lack of $$.

JMU and TxSt are not bigger NIL hitters than us.

jmu absolutly is. I have no idea about TxSt but jmu is.

JMU has more money on b/c they take larger athletic fees from their students. This is not allowed at the FBS level and JMU is in the process of reducing the amount they charge students. Its a phased reduction. I don't remember the figures but when you adjust their budget to not include the elevated student fees their atheltic budget is on par with the rest of the Sun Belt.

If someone with more knowledge on this topic would like to correct me then please do.

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/colleg ... 234771980/

had no idea but that's wild. Highest student fees of any school in the country.. Honestly, I've always said App needs to do this. I know it's unpopular but as a student, I gladly would have paid double whatever fee we had for us to compete. It's good for the schools image for sports to be good and attracts better students as well so go for it, Doug. It's kind of the only choice we have going forward. If only more of the living alumni donated as well then that would help too. In fairness, I don't know how to convince more people to give their money away but still. Even just $100 for 1/4 of the living alumni would go along way.

It is not the responsibility of the STUDENTS to pay for athletics in this way. Rather ticket sales (which should be increased with an NIL ear mark like Tennessee did), sponsorship, donations and internal revenue (TV, concessions, apparel, licensing agreements).

I believe we should do the following
1. Increase ticket prices & add an NIL fee to each ticket.
2. Increase messaging on all platforms that giving to YC, even a little, is important. Get former athletes to shoot video spots and post on social media. We have an incredible video team, get them involved.
3. Fund the YC so it can raise money effectively. Ask any alumni less than 40 if they EVER get asked for money directly...they haven't
4. Expand licensing agreements so the brand it's self can make money.

[Stonewall]

There are several ways to build a team , build a program. Our program is still near the top amongst our peers. Our team is not performing at that level. Things need to change before the program takes a dive. Whether this staff can pull it off will be answered soon.

[MrCraig]

Jumbo fisher, Charlie Weiss, Guz malzahn, Ed orgeron, Tom Herman, Paul Chryst to name a few.

Dan Mullen, Dino Babers, David Cutcliffe

[Pikapp79]

JMU and TxSt are not bigger NIL hitters than us.

jmu absolutly is. I have no idea about TxSt but jmu is.

JMU has more money on b/c they take larger athletic fees from their students. This is not allowed at the FBS level and JMU is in the process of reducing the amount they charge students. Its a phased reduction. I don't remember the figures but when you adjust their budget to not include the elevated student fees their atheltic budget is on par with the rest of the Sun Belt.

If someone with more knowledge on this topic would like to correct me then please do.

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/colleg ... 234771980/

had no idea but that's wild. Highest student fees of any school in the country.. Honestly, I've always said App needs to do this. I know it's unpopular but as a student, I gladly would have paid double whatever fee we had for us to compete. It's good for the schools image for sports to be good and attracts better students as well so go for it, Doug. It's kind of the only choice we have going forward. If only more of the living alumni donated as well then that would help too. In fairness, I don't know how to convince more people to give their money away but still. Even just $100 for 1/4 of the living alumni would go along way.

It is not the responsibility of the STUDENTS to pay for athletics in this way. Rather ticket sales (which should be increased with an NIL ear mark like Tennessee did), sponsorship, donations and internal revenue (TV, concessions, apparel, licensing agreements).

I believe we should do the following
1. Increase ticket prices & add an NIL fee to each ticket.
2. Increase messaging on all platforms that giving to YC, even a little, is important. Get former athletes to shoot video spots and post on social media. We have an incredible video team, get them involved.
3. Fund the YC so it can raise money effectively. Ask any alumni less than 40 if they EVER get asked for money directly...they haven't
4. Expand licensing agreements so the brand it's self can make money.

Add anything connected with NIL to ticket price or Yosef Club and I save a lot of money. Not paying a dime to pay a player. I realize schools paying players is coming and that’s when I’m out.

[kornegaylw]

jmu absolutly is. I have no idea about TxSt but jmu is.

JMU has more money on b/c they take larger athletic fees from their students. This is not allowed at the FBS level and JMU is in the process of reducing the amount they charge students. Its a phased reduction. I don't remember the figures but when you adjust their budget to not include the elevated student fees their atheltic budget is on par with the rest of the Sun Belt.

If someone with more knowledge on this topic would like to correct me then please do.

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/colleg ... 234771980/

had no idea but that's wild. Highest student fees of any school in the country.. Honestly, I've always said App needs to do this. I know it's unpopular but as a student, I gladly would have paid double whatever fee we had for us to compete. It's good for the schools image for sports to be good and attracts better students as well so go for it, Doug. It's kind of the only choice we have going forward. If only more of the living alumni donated as well then that would help too. In fairness, I don't know how to convince more people to give their money away but still. Even just $100 for 1/4 of the living alumni would go along way.

It is not the responsibility of the STUDENTS to pay for athletics in this way. Rather ticket sales (which should be increased with an NIL ear mark like Tennessee did), sponsorship, donations and internal revenue (TV, concessions, apparel, licensing agreements).

I believe we should do the following
1. Increase ticket prices & add an NIL fee to each ticket.
2. Increase messaging on all platforms that giving to YC, even a little, is important. Get former athletes to shoot video spots and post on social media. We have an incredible video team, get them involved.
3. Fund the YC so it can raise money effectively. Ask any alumni less than 40 if they EVER get asked for money directly...they haven't
4. Expand licensing agreements so the brand it's self can make money.

Add anything connected with NIL to ticket price or Yosef Club and I save a lot of money. Not paying a dime to pay a player. I realize schools paying players is coming and that’s when I’m out.

Why?

[Howard Street Hooligan]

JMU and TxSt are not bigger NIL hitters than us.

jmu absolutly is. I have no idea about TxSt but jmu is.

JMU has more money on b/c they take larger athletic fees from their students. This is not allowed at the FBS level and JMU is in the process of reducing the amount they charge students. Its a phased reduction. I don't remember the figures but when you adjust their budget to not include the elevated student fees their atheltic budget is on par with the rest of the Sun Belt.

If someone with more knowledge on this topic would like to correct me then please do.

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/colleg ... 234771980/

had no idea but that's wild. Highest student fees of any school in the country.. Honestly, I've always said App needs to do this. I know it's unpopular but as a student, I gladly would have paid double whatever fee we had for us to compete. It's good for the schools image for sports to be good and attracts better students as well so go for it, Doug. It's kind of the only choice we have going forward. If only more of the living alumni donated as well then that would help too. In fairness, I don't know how to convince more people to give their money away but still. Even just $100 for 1/4 of the living alumni would go along way.

It is not the responsibility of the STUDENTS to pay for athletics in this way. Rather ticket sales (which should be increased with an NIL ear mark like Tennessee did), sponsorship, donations and internal revenue (TV, concessions, apparel, licensing agreements).

I believe we should do the following
1. Increase ticket prices & add an NIL fee to each ticket.
2. Increase messaging on all platforms that giving to YC, even a little, is important. Get former athletes to shoot video spots and post on social media. We have an incredible video team, get them involved.
3. Fund the YC so it can raise money effectively. Ask any alumni less than 40 if they EVER get asked for money directly...they haven't
4. Expand licensing agreements so the brand it's self can make money.

That’s your opinion but I believe the students should be funding a good portion, especially when we know damn well a small mountain town isn’t going to draw massive brand exposure like a university in a major city. Asking alumni to ALWAYS fund everything is crazier. I don’t understand why more alumni don’t donate but that’s not likely to change without a creative campaign so make the kids put up $2,000 year (they pay $783 now but it should be even higher if they’re from out of state) It’s only 4 years of that compared to a lifetime of relying on alumni for everything.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Denver, just so you know FCS is division I.

Be a man and mention me, And it's 1-AA. FCS is not the same as FBS, scholarships limits are different. Know the ins and outs before you debate me.

FBS
P5
G5
FCS or 1-AA Scholarships are less than FBS.
D2
D3
NAIA
Junior College
High School
and then Watooga HS

I like your points but your two degrees didn't teach you everything.

FBS and FCS are both Division 1. Perhaps you should know that before you call out others. If a school sponsors football, it has to be D1 in order for their basketball program to be D1, thus FCS is considered D1 football. Everyone knows the scholarship numbers are different, but that wasn't the debate. The debate was D1, and you were wrong. You should apologize.

1-AA FCS and FBS are two separate entities....

Basketball is (ALL 363 or 364) play for 1 NATIONAL TITLE!!!!

FBS has a college playoff system and Bowl games 134 teams - CBSsports.com ranks them weekly actually a good read

FCS or 1-AA has a 16 or 32 team playoff. -- no one cares about this really anymore.

Learns college athletic sports before entering into the unknown with the DOTE.

And they are still both D1.

And you're still wrong, and not just wrong, but belligerently wrong. Thanks for the laugh during this tough time.

Both can't be D 1 it defeats the purpose. Only one can be D1... I'll let you and 95/97 tell me which is D1

You got 24 hours to decide.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Denver, just so you know FCS is division I.

Be a man and mention me, And it's 1-AA. FCS is not the same as FBS, scholarships limits are different. Know the ins and outs before you debate me.

FBS
P5
G5
FCS or 1-AA Scholarships are less than FBS.
D2
D3
NAIA
Junior College
High School
and then Watooga HS

I like your points but your two degrees didn't teach you everything.

FBS and FCS are both Division 1. Perhaps you should know that before you call out others. If a school sponsors football, it has to be D1 in order for their basketball program to be D1, thus FCS is considered D1 football. Everyone knows the scholarship numbers are different, but that wasn't the debate. The debate was D1, and you were wrong. You should apologize.

1-AA FCS and FBS are two separate entities....

Basketball is (ALL 363 or 364) play for 1 NATIONAL TITLE!!!!

FBS has a college playoff system and Bowl games 134 teams - CBSsports.com ranks them weekly actually a good read

FCS or 1-AA has a 16 or 32 team playoff. -- no one cares about this really anymore.

Learns college athletic sports before entering into the unknown with the DOTE.

Dude, I get called out for my opinions all the time. That's what a message board is for. You've been called out on a FACT. '89 may be a moron, I almost certainly am, but Jeff Sagarin ranks 263 D-I football programs. At this point I am begging you to say you know more about college athletics than Sagarin does

Obviously Saggy Jeff doesn't know the difference between FBS and FCS or he wouldn't rank them all together.

Jeff Sagarin has NOT been relative since Internet became a thing....Sagarin is a print media newspaper I read in college.

Get with the times 95/97

You are still reading black and white newspapers. We have figured out your problems. I feel so much better knowing why you are who you are now.

I can guide you my friend.