Realistic coaching options for 2025...

[bcoach]

Here is what I know. jmu went after a guy with a 44-21 record at his last job and they had a very good year considering the players they lost.
Indiana went 11-1 in a weak big 10 with a bunch of jmu players and a winning coach.
What I hear from our fans is guys like Satterfield who is 25-25 and 8-16 at his last two jobs and Neal Brown who is 37-35 over the last 6 years and an nfl asst coach with no college experience. We need to go after a winner not a maybe.
If our fans have any say at all in hiring we are screwed. ( yes I know they don't... well maybe a couple)

Any coach we hire is going to be a maybe.

Well I think your odds improve if he is a winner at his last job instead of "maybe" he can figure out how to win.

If we can hire a coach who has won big at the FBS level and never failed or struggled, I'm all for it.

I don't care if he struggled and got better which is an upward trend but guys like Scott seem to be on a downward trend. Isn't that the complaint on Shawn? Great overall record but supposed to be on a downward trend.

[BambooRdApp]

Different time scenarios when talking about Drink and Clark (beginning of tenure)..
NIL has changed landscape completely. Before NIL and Sark ..for example....Texas struggled to be decent to okay good consistently year in and year out. With Texas alumni money, they may potentially be good most years.

Not sure about how many lined up to interview on both previous occasions.

[311neers]

Brown sure is taking his time.

[hapapp]

Brown sure is taking his time.

Someone on the 247 board suggests that we have a coach but no name provided.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Update:

UNC WR COACH Lonnie Galloway was interviewed.
South Carolina OC Dowell Loggains was interviewed.

Carry on.

Oh man, we are reaching. I wouldn’t mind Loggains, but Gamecock fans weren’t originally happy with that hire at all. They might have changed their tune though after their successful year, but that’s more credit to the defense than the offense.

Serious question. What would you consider to not be a reach? I’m not saying that these would be my 1st, 2nd, or 3rd choice, but it might be what we are down to through interest, background checks or guys pulling their names from consideration. There are a lot of moving parts and a lot of what we know is based on speculation of what might have occurred.

Shawn Elliott is a better option than either of these two.

Shawn Clark is undefeated vs Shawn Elliott.

Just saying.

[appfanjj]

Brown sure is taking his time.

Probably haven’t formally offered him.
Have we?

[ASUTodd]

I would be underwhelmed if it's Brown. Just not sure mediocre replacing mediocre is the answer.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Update:

UNC WR COACH Lonnie Galloway was interviewed.
South Carolina OC Dowell Loggains was interviewed.

Carry on.

Got a complete list of candidates that have interviewed?

I do not.

I would imagine there have been small talks in the last 72 hours with at least a dozen or agents of a dozen.

4 that I know of for sure -- always multiple it by 3. Neal Brown is probably less than 20% at this point, If SMU wins how much can Casey get by beating Clemson, 2million a year as OC, he probably stays at SMU.

So now this is where the search pivots and all I have been saying previously comes into play.

Just remember #TEAMCLARK beat Curt Cignetti, Jamey Chadwell, Jimbo Fisher, Billy Napier, 1 dropped extra point from beating Mack Brown.... just saying - the expectations for the new guy is through the roof!

I don't remember any goals stated as beating certain coaches. The goal is to win championships and compete for a CFP bid. Any self respecting potential coach would look at the top program in the conference and think "surely I can do better than 10th / 11th in the conference".

This is your opinion, not those that are in the coaching circles. My friends the game has changed.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Brown sure is taking his time.

Probably haven’t formally offered him.
Have we?

He's had an offer since Tuesday night

[DenverOfTheEast]

The longer this takes the worse it gets I think.

It’s been less than a week coming off a holiday. We didn’t do a national search and take our time last coach “search”.

No problem if our timeline stretches into next week imo

Early next week we are good. If we make it to Friday without a coach then something is off.

I bet there have been conversations even before Clark was fired. A good AD I would think would always have a few ideas in their pockets. So I think the longer this thing goes the worse it gets.

Possibly - but that would be done with the Search firm to cover tracks. Agents want to know all App has to offer beside salary.

They want to know staff salary which is really low. NIL salary which is also low.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Brown sure is taking his time.

Someone on the 247 board suggests that we have a coach but no name provided.

247 can't hold the Cabin's jock. so much more entertaining here.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Brown sure is taking his time.

He holds the cards --- he is waiting on WKU, the WKU coach is going to Purdue, Brown wants WKU over App State is what my inner circles tell me.

[falcoapp]

Brown sure is taking his time.

He holds the cards --- he is waiting on WKU, the WKU coach is going to Purdue, Brown wants WKU over App State is what my inner circles tell me.

Weird flex wanting WKU over App, but tell him to go kick rocks.

[311neers]

Brown sure is taking his time.

He holds the cards --- he is waiting on WKU, the WKU coach is going to Purdue, Brown wants WKU over App State is what my inner circles tell me.

Yikes. Our offer should drop in price then. Don’t wait on someone that doesn’t want you.

[yosef69]

Update:

UNC WR COACH Lonnie Galloway was interviewed.
South Carolina OC Dowell Loggains was interviewed.

Carry on.

Got a complete list of candidates that have interviewed?

I do not.

I would imagine there have been small talks in the last 72 hours with at least a dozen or agents of a dozen.

4 that I know of for sure -- always multiple it by 3. Neal Brown is probably less than 20% at this point, If SMU wins how much can Casey get by beating Clemson, 2million a year as OC, he probably stays at SMU.

So now this is where the search pivots and all I have been saying previously comes into play.

Just remember #TEAMCLARK beat Curt Cignetti, Jamey Chadwell, Jimbo Fisher, Billy Napier, 1 dropped extra point from beating Mack Brown.... just saying - the expectations for the new guy is through the roof!

I don't remember any goals stated as beating certain coaches. The goal is to win championships and compete for a CFP bid. Any self respecting potential coach would look at the top program in the conference and think "surely I can do better than 10th / 11th in the conference".

This is your opinion, not those that are in the coaching circles. My friends the game has changed.

One day I will figure out your true allegiance. Because it isn’t app.

[goapps93]

Brown sure is taking his time.

He holds the cards --- he is waiting on WKU, the WKU coach is going to Purdue, Brown wants WKU over App State is what my inner circles tell me.

If that’s the case and there’s an offer then it should be withdrawn and we move on to the next choice. Probably a better choice anyway.

[AppSt94]

Brown sure is taking his time.

He holds the cards --- he is waiting on WKU, the WKU coach is going to Purdue, Brown wants WKU over App State is what my inner circles tell me.

Weird flex wanting WKU over App, but tell him to go kick rocks.

He’s from Kentucky.

[311neers]

Galloway has ties here so you at least owe him an interview. He also checks some other boxes for a public institution when doing a job search.

Understand your points, but:

1) Strongly disagree that we "owe" him an interview. He was at App for three years almost 20 years ago. If we owe everyone an interview who's ever been on staff at App, we might wrap up the search in time for fall camp.

2) I'm not saying the guy's a bad coach. I don't know. But he's essentially a WR coach who also has the distinction of having spent the last few years as AHC at a program that just fired its head coach and has all but publicly said they need to hire a new coach who will change the culture so they aren't so soft.

3) To your second point, that one's more understandable, but could we not bring in someone who checks that same box and is also a legitimate candidate for the job?

Clayton White for example...

I’d love Clayton. NC native and he’s had some studs on defense.

[AppSt94]

Brown sure is taking his time.

He holds the cards --- he is waiting on WKU, the WKU coach is going to Purdue, Brown wants WKU over App State is what my inner circles tell me.

Yikes. Our offer should drop in price then. Don’t wait on someone that doesn’t want you.

He’s getting $9 million from WVU. Dropping the price isn’t going to make a difference to him.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Got a complete list of candidates that have interviewed?

I do not.

I would imagine there have been small talks in the last 72 hours with at least a dozen or agents of a dozen.

4 that I know of for sure -- always multiple it by 3. Neal Brown is probably less than 20% at this point, If SMU wins how much can Casey get by beating Clemson, 2million a year as OC, he probably stays at SMU.

So now this is where the search pivots and all I have been saying previously comes into play.

Just remember #TEAMCLARK beat Curt Cignetti, Jamey Chadwell, Jimbo Fisher, Billy Napier, 1 dropped extra point from beating Mack Brown.... just saying - the expectations for the new guy is through the roof!

I don't remember any goals stated as beating certain coaches. The goal is to win championships and compete for a CFP bid. Any self respecting potential coach would look at the top program in the conference and think "surely I can do better than 10th / 11th in the conference".

This is your opinion, not those that are in the coaching circles. My friends the game has changed.

One day I will figure out your true allegiance. Because it isn’t app.

What's the movie where the old detective says "just the facts ma'am".

That's me. I report facts -- Love Boone, the people, the football excitement -- BUT I am a realist and truth teller.