App Transfer Portal 2025 - OUT

[QueencityApp]

Hate to derail this thread but how much did Boise boost their University/Athletic budget by getting a spot in the playoff? I ask if it’s worth App having some miraculous season and getting a spot only to get potentially curb stomped but if there is a sum of $$$ we get that makes it worth it then yeah it’s the goal, right?? Otherwise we basically strive for 8-11 win seasons to get a hopeful conference championship then bowl game vs. AAC/CUSA/MAC opponent.

For me, in today’s landscape, I’m appreciative of consistent 8-9+ win seasons. And honestly that will be very hard.

[spacemonkey]

Oregon probably has unreal NIl money to dole out and has an otherwise great roster…and they are absolutely getting boat raced by OSU. While I would love to see App State somehow have a magical season and grab a spot I have no desire to see us get completely hammered by a semi pro team who we have absolutely no shot at beating. Who on earth desires this for our team? Until someone with a brain actually pulls in the reigns and creates some sort of competitive opportunity for more than 6 schools it’s going to get worse.

I think I’d be okay with a G5 playoff aka back to FCS.

The answer for the G5 is an NIT tournament including p4 teams that did not make playoffs. G5 vs g5 in first round and g5 champions in second round making one bracket. Conference champions getting the 4 spots.

[AppWyo]

Oregon probably has unreal NIl money to dole out and has an otherwise great roster…and they are absolutely getting boat raced by OSU. While I would love to see App State somehow have a magical season and grab a spot I have no desire to see us get completely hammered by a semi pro team who we have absolutely no shot at beating. Who on earth desires this for our team? Until someone with a brain actually pulls in the reigns and creates some sort of competitive opportunity for more than 6 schools it’s going to get worse.

I do not care what the score is, I would like to see App in the College Football Playoff, just because had App never played Michigan, App would never have beaten Michigan.
Get Appalachian in the playoffs and they are going to win some games in the playoff.

[appdaze]

The reality is that there is no good answer. What we have now is a semi pro league of mostly student athletes with a portion of them being professionally paid athletes. It's like if you have an NFL team but the owner only pays every player say 50k(aka the scholarship). If a player is going to get paid more then it is up to the fans to pay for better players salaries beyond the base salary. So instead of the better teams having the richest owners, the better teams have the richest fans. We will most likely never be a part of all of this. If we do squeeze in we will get boat raced like Boise State. Their OL couldn't do a damn thing against the semi pros.

4 football teams are now valued over 1 billion dollars. 2 are in the CFP. Giving teams these valuations will get used for and against teams in the future. It's unfortunate that it ended up this way but on the flip side all of use chose to go to a little mountain town to go to college. It was always going to be an uphill, if not impossible, battle.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/19/college ... tions.html

ECU is #73.

[Mjohn1988]

Hate to derail this thread but how much did Boise boost their University/Athletic budget by getting a spot in the playoff? I ask if it’s worth App having some miraculous season and getting a spot only to get potentially curb stomped but if there is a sum of $$$ we get that makes it worth it then yeah it’s the goal, right?? Otherwise we basically strive for 8-11 win seasons to get a hopeful conference championship then bowl game vs. AAC/CUSA/MAC opponent.

For me, in today’s landscape, I’m appreciative of consistent 8-9+ win seasons. And honestly that will be very hard.

Oregon pretty much got curb stomped and I thought Boise did a pretty good job representing the G5. I would like a chance to do something special.

[bcoach]

Just because the future is murky with a potential change doesn't mean it's not needed.

We're all discussing this idea as fans of college football. I don't care how many lawyers must get involved. That's for the actual members that will force or put into action this idea to figure out.

Let us not forget that college athletics in general has been a cash cow for years with the NCAA and colleges profiting off athletes. They've created thousands of jobs with these funds & punished athletes who attempted to profit of their own success.

I have no sympathy for the system or it's potential chance of crumbling. Will there be negative consequences? Yes, but the foundation of the NCAA being "amateur" athletics has a severe crack in it & was created by decisions of the leaders within the NCAA.

In what world has APP been a cash cow? People keep repeating that and it is just crap. Plain and simple crap.

[DoesntEvenGoHere]

Just because the future is murky with a potential change doesn't mean it's not needed.

We're all discussing this idea as fans of college football. I don't care how many lawyers must get involved. That's for the actual members that will force or put into action this idea to figure out.

Let us not forget that college athletics in general has been a cash cow for years with the NCAA and colleges profiting off athletes. They've created thousands of jobs with these funds & punished athletes who attempted to profit of their own success.

I have no sympathy for the system or it's potential chance of crumbling. Will there be negative consequences? Yes, but the foundation of the NCAA being "amateur" athletics has a severe crack in it & was created by decisions of the leaders within the NCAA.

In what world has APP been a cash cow? People keep repeating that and it is just crap. Plain and simple crap.

Tell me how much our athletic department has grown in the past 20+ years. How many buildings, how many new athletic jobs, etc? Where do you think that money comes from?

NCAA generates over $1,000,000,000 a year in revenue, and shares over half of that with schools via revenue sharing.

Schools take this money & use it to build facilities, create budgets, etc. They also have been hiring staff & investing these funds into their own potential revenue streams.

None of that money has ever been shared with the athletes. The people that make the product that generates the revenue.

App isn't a cash cow, but the millions of dollars received from NCAA goes towards creating jobs, whether they are truly required or needed or just an opportunity to keep up with the trends within similar schools.

We're spending money because it's there to spend. Everyone is, and everyone but the athletes get paid. It's not right.

Here's an article that can go more in depth on iI: https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/ ... e-sharing/

[AppDawg]

“Millions received” from NCAA… hardly for us. Drop the “s”… in FY23 we received $1.6M in NCAA distributions.

Another $1.7 from the conference, which does NOT include NCAA distributions or Media Rights (media which was a paltry $241k).

Have posted this previously, but there is very valuable information contained within. Lifts the curtain a bit… for instance seems we have a good bit of insurance policies. Presumably, like for the liberty game this year protecting against the loss of a home game, there are policies that pay coaches bonuses if certain criteria are met - i.e if we were to make it to the CFP or even NCAA tournament and win games.

https://finops.appstate.edu/sites/defau ... report.pdf

[DoesntEvenGoHere]

“Millions received” from NCAA… hardly for us. Drop the “s”… in FY23 we received $1.6M in NCAA distributions.

Another $1.7 from the conference, which does NOT include NCAA distributions or Media Rights (media which was a paltry $241k).

Have posted this previously, but there is very valuable information contained within. Lifts the curtain a bit… for instance seems we have a good bit of insurance policies. Presumably, like for the liberty game this year protecting against the loss of a home game, there are policies that pay coaches bonuses if certain criteria are met - i.e if we were to make it to the CFP or even NCAA tournament and win games.

https://finops.appstate.edu/sites/defau ... report.pdf

This is the issue with this topic...members of this site only care for App State athletics & a lot still feel like the value of a scholarship is worth it.

App State having a revenue generation of nearly $50M with the athletes receiving none of that is the issue.

I don't care about net profit or loss. Everyone wants to point out how we can't afford pay players. The reality is they just don't like or accept how it would get done.

Teams would be cut, staff sizes would be cut, a lot of the operation expenses would be trimmed or cut.

[Yosef10]

Just because the future is murky with a potential change doesn't mean it's not needed.

We're all discussing this idea as fans of college football. I don't care how many lawyers must get involved. That's for the actual members that will force or put into action this idea to figure out.

Let us not forget that college athletics in general has been a cash cow for years with the NCAA and colleges profiting off athletes. They've created thousands of jobs with these funds & punished athletes who attempted to profit of their own success.

I have no sympathy for the system or it's potential chance of crumbling. Will there be negative consequences? Yes, but the foundation of the NCAA being "amateur" athletics has a severe crack in it & was created by decisions of the leaders within the NCAA.

In what world has APP been a cash cow? People keep repeating that and it is just crap. Plain and simple crap.

He said college athletics in general. And also, you tell me the difference in App State prior to 9/1/2007 and after 9/1/2007 and what the event was that caused that line of demarcation. I can’t believe App fans sit here and try and argue against an athletes worth given that football is THE reason the university is where it is now.

[Saint3333]

For those that "don't care about profit and loss and believe the players should be paid", please visit the address below before jumping into further discussions.

The Walker College of Business at Appalachian State University is located at 416 Howard Street, Boone, NC. The phone number for the college is (828) 262-2092.

[JTApps1]

“Millions received” from NCAA… hardly for us. Drop the “s”… in FY23 we received $1.6M in NCAA distributions.

Another $1.7 from the conference, which does NOT include NCAA distributions or Media Rights (media which was a paltry $241k).

Have posted this previously, but there is very valuable information contained within. Lifts the curtain a bit… for instance seems we have a good bit of insurance policies. Presumably, like for the liberty game this year protecting against the loss of a home game, there are policies that pay coaches bonuses if certain criteria are met - i.e if we were to make it to the CFP or even NCAA tournament and win games.

https://finops.appstate.edu/sites/defau ... report.pdf

This is the issue with this topic...members of this site only care for App State athletics & a lot still feel like the value of a scholarship is worth it.

App State having a revenue generation of nearly $50M with the athletes receiving none of that is the issue.

I don't care about net profit or loss. Everyone wants to point out how we can't afford pay players. The reality is they just don't like or accept how it would get done.

Teams would be cut, staff sizes would be cut, a lot of the operation expenses would be trimmed or cut.

I'm not sure how you can dismiss profit and loss. An SBC program is far different than an SEC program.

You can't look at all revenue the same though. We're showing $46.4M total for 2023, but $19.6M came from student fees, direct/indirect institutional support, interest on endowment investments, and in-kind gifts. It's hard to see how anyone can argue that the players deserve a cut of revenue from those sources. Now you're looking at a revenue pool of $26.8M that was actually generated by athletics. How many of our 415 players do you share it with?

What areas in the expense category should they cut from in order to pay the players? Much of it already goes towards supporting the players or enhancing their experience at App. Salaries are the biggest expense so perhaps we cut some there, but we hear all the time how we aren't competitive within the market. We can only cut one sport to stay above the D1 minimum so I'm not sure how much that will help.

[Stonewall]

“ We don’t have any revenue to share “ Senator Jesse Helms

[AppDawg]

“Millions received” from NCAA… hardly for us. Drop the “s”… in FY23 we received $1.6M in NCAA distributions.

Another $1.7 from the conference, which does NOT include NCAA distributions or Media Rights (media which was a paltry $241k).

Have posted this previously, but there is very valuable information contained within. Lifts the curtain a bit… for instance seems we have a good bit of insurance policies. Presumably, like for the liberty game this year protecting against the loss of a home game, there are policies that pay coaches bonuses if certain criteria are met - i.e if we were to make it to the CFP or even NCAA tournament and win games.

https://finops.appstate.edu/sites/defau ... report.pdf

This is the issue with this topic...members of this site only care for App State athletics & a lot still feel like the value of a scholarship is worth it.

App State having a revenue generation of nearly $50M with the athletes receiving none of that is the issue.

I don't care about net profit or loss. Everyone wants to point out how we can't afford pay players. The reality is they just don't like or accept how it would get done.

Teams would be cut, staff sizes would be cut, a lot of the operation expenses would be trimmed or cut.

I'm not sure how you can dismiss profit and loss. An SBC program is far different than an SEC program.

You can't look at all revenue the same though. We're showing $46.4M total for 2023, but $19.6M came from student fees, direct/indirect institutional support, interest on endowment investments, and in-kind gifts. It's hard to see how anyone can argue that the players deserve a cut of revenue from those sources. Now you're looking at a revenue pool of $26.8M that was actually generated by athletics. How many of our 415 players do you share it with?

What areas in the expense category should they cut from in order to pay the players? Much of it already goes towards supporting the players or enhancing their experience at App. Salaries are the biggest expense so perhaps we cut some there, but we hear all the time how we aren't competitive within the market. We can only cut one sport to stay above the D1 minimum so I'm not sure how much that will help.

^This. I had just typed up this exact response then saw you beat me to it.

Until Athletics is self-supporting I have an issue paying players on the backs of student fees.

State Law and the structure of our University requires zero budgeting. Any profits generated by athletics (or any University Department), should go back to the University at-large. When such a large percentage of the budget comes from Students/Institutional support it should. I believe this is one of the reasons MAF came to be as it is separate entity from the University and not subject to these rules. Many universities have this structure with not just Athletic fundraising arm - i.e. Wolfpack Club, Rams, etc… But also with their Alumni Association & Chapters. We do not. We are all one big family Athletics and Alumni Association are no different than the Walker College of Business or Hayes School of Music in structure.

As an aside, I do think zero budgeting fosters a “use it or lose it” mindset resulting in a lot of waste… but I digress..

[bcoach]

Just because the future is murky with a potential change doesn't mean it's not needed.

We're all discussing this idea as fans of college football. I don't care how many lawyers must get involved. That's for the actual members that will force or put into action this idea to figure out.

Let us not forget that college athletics in general has been a cash cow for years with the NCAA and colleges profiting off athletes. They've created thousands of jobs with these funds & punished athletes who attempted to profit of their own success.

I have no sympathy for the system or it's potential chance of crumbling. Will there be negative consequences? Yes, but the foundation of the NCAA being "amateur" athletics has a severe crack in it & was created by decisions of the leaders within the NCAA.

In what world has APP been a cash cow? People keep repeating that and it is just crap. Plain and simple crap.

He said college athletics in general. And also, you tell me the difference in App State prior to 9/1/2007 and after 9/1/2007 and what the event was that caused that line of demarcation. I can’t believe App fans sit here and try and argue against an athletes worth given that football is THE reason the university is where it is now.

Well we are not "in general" we are APP and we are not a cash cow. This is not a one size fits all. There are 3 divisions of D1 and there is a huge difference. If we need colectives to pay the players then there dosen't seem to be this abundance of funds they have earned.

[App91]

The idea would be to make things better. Right now the NCAA has no guts. If you separate the NCAA jurisdiction over College Football, a commissioner could be created to navigate a new era...an era we're already in. Transfer windows, transfer rules, # of games, # of roster spots, practice regulations (when, where, how many, style, etc.) all could be immediately put in place.

A commissioner would mean this is no longer amateur athletics, so it's still murky in what that would actually means (who remains with NCAA vs who moves towards a more professional model, etc)

I don't know if I love the idea but I can see some positives. At least make things clearer & provide a face & voice to College Football.

As much as i hate the NCAA, this current situation in not their fault, i do not believe. The courts have created this mess with NIL and transfer, basically any rules of control the NCAA had have been deleted. They really have no say so in the matter at this point.

[Saint3333]

If the NCAA would have dealt with this along the way it could have been instituted gradually versus the current path. When the coaches started making north of $2M and universities were spending TV money on frivolous upgrades to facilities they should have had some self awareness to make changes then. Instead they kicked the can down the road and the dam broke.

The blame is with many parties, TV networks, conferences, NCAA, NFL, you, me.

[bcoach]

If the NCAA would have dealt with this along the way it could have been instituted gradually versus the current path. When the coaches started making north of $2M and universities were spending TV money on frivolous upgrades to facilities they should have had some self awareness to make changes then. Instead they kicked the can down the road and the dam broke.

The blame is with many parties, TV networks, conferences, NCAA, NFL, you, me.

You have a very valid point but when those upgrades were made all I ever heard is that is what players want. The battle cry is we need this to compete, and I heard that on here.

[Saint3333]

If the NCAA would have dealt with this along the way it could have been instituted gradually versus the current path. When the coaches started making north of $2M and universities were spending TV money on frivolous upgrades to facilities they should have had some self awareness to make changes then. Instead they kicked the can down the road and the dam broke.

The blame is with many parties, TV networks, conferences, NCAA, NFL, you, me.

You have a very valid point but when those upgrades were made all I ever heard is that is what players want. The battle cry is we need this to compete, and I heard that on here.

Paying them wasn't on the table, given a choice they would have taken a cost of living stipend. That was the bandaid the NCAA tried right before NIL. Who knows if the pace would have been slower to get where we are today, but I think he may have as the money available was lower.

[DoesntEvenGoHere]

“Millions received” from NCAA… hardly for us. Drop the “s”… in FY23 we received $1.6M in NCAA distributions.

Another $1.7 from the conference, which does NOT include NCAA distributions or Media Rights (media which was a paltry $241k).

Have posted this previously, but there is very valuable information contained within. Lifts the curtain a bit… for instance seems we have a good bit of insurance policies. Presumably, like for the liberty game this year protecting against the loss of a home game, there are policies that pay coaches bonuses if certain criteria are met - i.e if we were to make it to the CFP or even NCAA tournament and win games.

https://finops.appstate.edu/sites/defau ... report.pdf

This is the issue with this topic...members of this site only care for App State athletics & a lot still feel like the value of a scholarship is worth it.

App State having a revenue generation of nearly $50M with the athletes receiving none of that is the issue.

I don't care about net profit or loss. Everyone wants to point out how we can't afford pay players. The reality is they just don't like or accept how it would get done.

Teams would be cut, staff sizes would be cut, a lot of the operation expenses would be trimmed or cut.

I'm not sure how you can dismiss profit and loss. An SBC program is far different than an SEC program.

You can't look at all revenue the same though. We're showing $46.4M total for 2023, but $19.6M came from student fees, direct/indirect institutional support, interest on endowment investments, and in-kind gifts. It's hard to see how anyone can argue that the players deserve a cut of revenue from those sources. Now you're looking at a revenue pool of $26.8M that was actually generated by athletics. How many of our 415 players do you share it with?

What areas in the expense category should they cut from in order to pay the players? Much of it already goes towards supporting the players or enhancing their experience at App. Salaries are the biggest expense so perhaps we cut some there, but we hear all the time how we aren't competitive within the market. We can only cut one sport to stay above the D1 minimum so I'm not sure how much that will help.

Which is why I say the future is murky.

I'm not oblivious to the fact that the proposed changes in revenue sharing & paying athletes is also not sustainable for the current state of App State athletics, which is why I also believe you will see a separation take place between the cans & can nots.

Let the P4 move into the professional model without jurisdiction of the NCAA & keep things status quo for the rest. Things can change still for the ones who stay, but currently all FBS football schools are not equal & the biggest brands want different things than the smallest ones.

I don't know what is feasible or possible, but you can sense some kind of major change is on the horizon of at least an attempt. The issue is the NCAA is going to allow the major conferences to control things, so it's almost like we need the break from the P4 to get back to some form of equality between the rest.