Boise Discussion - 7:30pm

[311neers]

If we had two more quality lineman and healthy Roberts we’d have an offense that could be good enough to go 8-4 with this schedule, it’s very weak.

With what we have today it’s likely a 4-8 season.

Yesterday was tough. Swann had no protection and he was moving like an old man. So he had no chance to do anything with his legs.

So, are we playing him because we are paying him, or because he is our best option?

He’s our best option. I’m not sure if Kohl was ready to play or not, but when it got out of hand, there was zero reason to play him coming off injury, which is why we saw 11….which was also dumb. In a blowout, it should be Wiles and Wiles only.

I might go Kohl for a drive or two next week if he’s healthy to push Swann to be smarter.

[Black Saturday]

Again no one was expecting a win but to get beat by 40 by this Boise team is unacceptable. We didn’t lose lines this to sec schools when we were FCs. You are arguing to argue which is typical for this board.

But we did…
2014: L to Michigan 52-14
2013: L to UGA 45-6
2011: L to VT 66-13
2010: L to UF 48-10

I am not arguing to argue. I am arguing to hopefully have reasonable discussions on football performance. I’ve not called it acceptable one time. I’m just trying my best to explain it, other than calling for firings and degrading the players or staff. I can’t help it if people struggle with facts or having reasonable discussions.

We never played against Virginia Tech

We've played VT at least 2 times since about 1985

I think only once. We definitely didn’t play VPI in 2011. I don’t know why people make up that game happening.

1981 and 2011

[Seattleapp]

If we had two more quality lineman and healthy Roberts we’d have an offense that could be good enough to go 8-4 with this schedule, it’s very weak.

With what we have today it’s likely a 4-8 season.

Yesterday was tough. Swann had no protection and he was moving like an old man. So he had no chance to do anything with his legs.

So, are we playing him because we are paying him, or because he is our best option?

That’s the million dollar question isn’t it. Some say he’s the best option which may very well be true, but like I mentioned earlier. And he may be more dinged up than we know, but he’s making way too many careless throws, has no mobility and generally looks like he wants to be somewhere else.

[WataugaMan]

We aren’t a good football team. It’s that simple. Will we improve throughout the season? Hopefully.

From what I've observed thus far we're a very bad team, hopefully we'll see improvement starting next week. Thus far I've seen no improvement at all, as a matter of fact we regress more each week if that's possible.

I can’t disagree with you assessment. The “correctable” mistakes have appeared to become habits.

Thus far this season, two TDs taken off the board because of not finishing the job crossing the goal line, three TD taken away from inside the 7 yard line due to interceptions in the end zone, and two pick 6s. That's 49 points that would be in our favor, can't win games like that. Unfortunately these mistakes happened during multiple games, see no improvement. And, please don't mention the continual penalties.

[bcoach]

We aren’t a good football team. It’s that simple. Will we improve throughout the season? Hopefully.

From what I've observed thus far we're a very bad team, hopefully we'll see improvement starting next week. Thus far I've seen no improvement at all, as a matter of fact we regress more each week if that's possible.

I can’t disagree with you assessment. The “correctable” mistakes have appeared to become habits.

That is my point. Recruiting, head coach learning curve etc. will all take time. I get that. The " correctable" mistakes are not getting corrected. Where is all this "NFL" experience. We have a bus load of assistants. Are they not capable of doing something about over a 100 yards of penalties?

[RaleighApp27609]

This is a question for those who have either played football, coached football or simply know the game well: Do you believe that if App had a solid quarterback with a solid OL and DL, that issues at other positions could be worked through? Is my thinking over simplified by saying the OL, DL and qb positions are the most important to have year over year consistency?

[Saint3333]

When you don’t have a talent advantage and in reality completely overmatched that really limits your playbook.

That makes the play calls more predictable and frustrating for fans.

We are in a vicious cycle until the talent level and depth improve.

Oregon State, ODU, and JMU have more talent and depth than we do by a fairly wide margin, the rest the difference is marginal (similar to Southern Miss).

Execution will determine the outcomes in those games. Have to win four of five there to get to six.

[Saint3333]

This is a question for those who have either played football, coached football or simply know the game well: Do you believe that if App had a solid quarterback with a solid OL and DL, that issues at other positions could be worked through? Is my thinking over simplified by saying the OL, DL and qb positions are the most important to have year over year consistency?

We are probably 10 players away from being an SBC title contender, probably four starters at QB, OL, DT, S and six backups, two at OL, 1RB, 1 DL, and 2 secondary.

You can view that as close or far depending on your perspective.

[Bootsy]

This is a question for those who have either played football, coached football or simply know the game well: Do you believe that if App had a solid quarterback with a solid OL and DL, that issues at other positions could be worked through? Is my thinking over simplified by saying the OL, DL and qb positions are the most important to have year over year consistency?

Your thinking is accurate...success begins in the trenches. Even if you have a great QB, his efficacy will be blunted if the OL is bad.

[RaleighApp27609]

This is a question for those who have either played football, coached football or simply know the game well: Do you believe that if App had a solid quarterback with a solid OL and DL, that issues at other positions could be worked through? Is my thinking over simplified by saying the OL, DL and qb positions are the most important to have year over year consistency?

Your thinking is accurate...success begins in the trenches. Even if you have a great QB, his efficacy will be blunted if the OL is bad.

Building off my prior comment, since we have very limited in NIL funds, would it not just be more efficient that we get the most bang for our buck by consolidating those NIL funds and paying for just the OL, DL and a solid qb?

[BambooRdApp]

Just my opinion from sitting in the nose bleed section (got my 10,000 steps in from just the hike up to section CC.

Yes, TOs were bad... Game was lost in the trenches. The positive is that one can see plays develop.)
Boise OL moved when needed and we had to bring up secondary to help. This left wide open WRs/TEs on passing routes. Their were several. WRs open on various plays. The QB just went to first read as it was open. Their QB is average at best. However, easy when time to throw and no pressure.

On opposite end, their D did not have to bring up secondary to help with run as often. . I did not see many plays where I thought our WRs were wide open. On flip side, I noted many plays where theirs were.. some of that was due to lack of pressure.

In recruiting, we have got to focus on trenches.

[Mjohn1988]

This is a question for those who have either played football, coached football or simply know the game well: Do you believe that if App had a solid quarterback with a solid OL and DL, that issues at other positions could be worked through? Is my thinking over simplified by saying the OL, DL and qb positions are the most important to have year over year consistency?

Your thinking is accurate...success begins in the trenches. Even if you have a great QB, his efficacy will be blunted if the OL is bad.

Building off my prior comment, since we have very limited in NIL funds, would it not just be more efficient that we get the most bang for our buck by consolidating those NIL funds and paying for just the OL, DL and a solid qb?

I have had the same thought. Over and over again we hear that the games are won in the trenches.

[Stonewall]

That’s because I’ve been harping on it over two centuries. Our o line is not offensive.

[AppWyo]

That’s because I’ve been harping on it over two centuries. Our o line is not offensive.

College football has not been a sport for two centuries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... n_football

Appalachian has not even played college football for a century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachi ... ov=srpw1_0

[Stonewall]

I am also literally not that old , however nights like the last one ….

[AppWyo]

I am also literally not that old , however nights like the last one ….

Figuratively that old?

I think our problem is that one tends to focus on what you see the least. Losing is something that App rarely sees in football, so the loses are what we remember the most.

Sort of like the news, most of it is bad, but that is because the bad is news because it does not happen that often. If all we saw on the news was good things that is because good news is rarer.

[ASUFan4863]

We are overmatched in the trenches. The DL is better than the OL at this point. We lost our best OT after spring practice to Ok St and those our second best OT to injury. Ramsey has a chronic injury. Flowers has a chronic snapping issue. We can run block fine but the pass blocking is atrocious. It may be time to get creative to win games

[WASU 93]

We aren’t a good football team. It’s that simple. Will we improve throughout the season? Hopefully.

From what I've observed thus far we're a very bad team, hopefully we'll see improvement starting next week. Thus far I've seen no improvement at all, as a matter of fact we regress more each week if that's possible.

I can’t disagree with you assessment. The “correctable” mistakes have appeared to become habits.

Thus far this season, two TDs taken off the board because of not finishing the job crossing the goal line, three TD taken away from inside the 7 yard line due to interceptions in the end zone, and two pick 6s. That's 49 points that would be in our favor, can't win games like that. Unfortunately these mistakes happened during multiple games, see no improvement. And, please don't mention the continual penalties.

And, we were lucky to get to 14. Dubinion fumbled (but was out of bounds first) on his long run and we fumbled after crossing the plane on the next play