Could ACC be snubbed and SBC get in CFP?

[ah59396]

I mean let’s be honest, 5-7 Auburn is probably better than every G6 team.

They lost to OU, Georgia, Missouri, TAMU, Vandy, Alabama, and Kentucky. 6 of those losses are ranked teams and all of the losses are by one score.

Do they go 13-0 with JMU or Tulane’s schedule. Probably.

But at some point winning the games does have to matter.

[BeauFoster]

I hope JMU gets in and wins a game or two. Upheaval is why March Madness is as popular as it is, you need upsets to build the case to include the long shots. I’m sure a lot of people will hate that because JMU bad, but excluding them negatively impacts all G5 in the future.

If the networks were smart, they’d be trying for as much chaos as possible, it drums up interest and gives them something to talk about.

[311neers]

On the contrary, now that JMU is in, I want them to lose by 50 like we did to them.

Down the Dukes!

[bcoach]

What metric would you suggest to use? James Madison has a stronger Strength of Record than Duke. I have checked several predictive rating systems such as FPI, Sagarin, and SP+, and all put JMU in ahead of Duke.

Duke is a mediocre 5 loss team that somehow has more losses to non-Power 5 schools than JMU. This isn't one of the typical cases where it may be a slam dunk argument to say the Power Conference school would be favored on a neutral field. Based on the evidence I see, it seems clear it would be the reverse.

I am going to leave it at this. JMU has played NOBODY. The sunbelt this year would not do well in FCS. Now I could be wrong and it would not be the first time. I have seen Duke around 70 and JMU around 120 and again that could be wrong. What is not wrong is that they played on P% and lost. The rest of their schedule incredibly soft and nothing to pound their chest about. Them being ranked at all is just plain silly.

Sounding like a p4 shill this morning coach

I don't understand that. What do you mean?

You sound like you work for the ACC. You are directly arguing against apps interest. We could be in JMUs spot one day and you’re laying the foundation to lock us out.

Well I am in no way working for the interest of the ACC. I just think the best teams should be in the mix. JMU being in the playoff this years just feels a lot like mom is forcing us to let our little brother play. Little brother should play when he is good enough. JMU playing this time is what is going to change the sysyem. Again the system has been set and it is what it is. They have decided the best 12 teams should not be playing.

[AppStFan1]

Say Duke beats UVA and both JMU and Tulane win big in their title games. Could 2 G6 teams get in the playoff and ACC be left out? I would think so.

Miami says hello

They won’t be the ACC champ. It says 5 highest rated conference champs.

They aren’t going to put two G5 schools in. They hasn’t been projected by anyone anywhere

And now everyone is projecting!

[311neers]

Saw playoff odds bracket and it had ND and Bama in. Miami out.

Not sure if that was a leak or not. Will find out in 10 mins.

[hapapp]

If JMU gets in I can see a change in the future selection process . It’s coming but it may be accelerated.

I definitely think that will be the outcome of this situation. A move will be made to limit the G6 participation in the future. I foresee doing away with auto bids.

[BallantyneApp]

If JMU gets in I can see a change in the future selection process . It’s coming but it may be accelerated.

I definitely think that will be the outcome of this situation. A move will be made to limit the G6 participation in the future. I foresee doing away with auto bids.

Yes just like last year when Boise got a seed suddenly auto seeding was no longer acceptable.

I foresee a top 4 conference champions + highest rated g6 essentially forever making it impossible for 2 g6 teams to get in

[Yosef84]

Understood by-laws that the top five ranked conference champions make the CFP, what mental gymnastics will occur to keep ND, Miami, and Bama in over JMU?

There are no mental gymnastics available other than elevating Duke. I don't think that happens. The ACC screwed the system and I am sure they change it moving forward but for this playoff, I think JMU just got in. We will see I guess. Any other result if a flagrant change to their own rules. The gymnastics will now be a direct choice a month ND, Miami and Bama. My personal opinion is that ND should be left out (head to head loss to Miami) but I won't be surprised to see something Miami screwed. I don't think the CFP committee screws with the SEC but you never know. With all the depth in the SEC, maybe they will. I would actually LOVE to see Bama get screwed, but I'll be surprised if it happens. All that said, I've been wrong plenty of times before. We will know soon enough.

Notre Dame? Given the size of their fanbase (read: TV audience), don't you think the committee would do anything to give them a slot? Even at the expense of a more-deserving program?

As much as I dislike saying it, JMU deserves a bid over most of the other programs under consideration. If they don't get in, we should expect a lot of entertainment to come out Harrisonburg/Richmond. Remember the puppet show they staged when they were transitioning to FBS and were refused access to bowl bids? But then I think about if App was in that position: how would we respond?

Saying that JMU should be in over ND, Miami, Bama and a number of other teams is only because of a ridiculous system. The system is what it is though so you really need to go back to ranking and that is the same mess it has always been. The playoff is intended to get as much TV revenue as possible, not to get the best teams in the mix.

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AGAIN....JMU is not getting in "over ND, Miami, Bama...." JMU is getting I as part of the auto-bid process. Those others are being considered as at-large bids.

[AtlAppMan]

JMU is in

This thread scenario was right

[appst89]

I hope Oregon scores 100 points.

G6 participation in the future just got a lot harder.

Changes will be made to the format by February.

[AppInDC]

I'm just happy to see James Madison make it. This proves once and for all that App does not actually have to go undefeated to have a chance to make the playoff. Win the conference and it's possible.

At least under the current system and with the ACC currently using nonsensical tiebreakers.

[AtlAppMan]

JMU did all they could with their schedule . Why do we want them slaughtered and make SBC look even worse?

We would have wanted in if we were 12-1.

I agree they will change the rules again.

[ah59396]

Good for JMU. Wish it was us. Everything else is just sour grapes.

[AppinVA]

I was pulling for Troy, but now I hope JMU goes to Oregon and wins. A win would make it a lot more difficult to change who gets in.

[AtlAppMan]

Notre Dame is pissed but they should get their butts in a conference. They wanted their cake and eat it too. Finally back fired on them.

[AppDub]

Given the structure of the system, JMU should be the best pick. What sucks most is if you think their fans are obnoxious and difficult to tolerate now, their arrogance will be on blast going forward. Yay.

[BambooRdApp]

If we thought their fans are insufferable before cfp announcement.... Amp it up by 1000..
We would probably be the same..
Congratulations to Dollie.
Ducks by a million please.
I hate purple

[AppDub]

I was pulling for Troy, but now I hope JMU goes to Oregon and wins. A win would make it a lot more difficult to change who gets in.

You are a better man than me. JMU can't lose by enough to make me happy. Yep, I'm petty.

[AppinVA]

I was pulling for Troy, but now I hope JMU goes to Oregon and wins. A win would make it a lot more difficult to change who gets in.

You are a better man than me. JMU can't lose by enough to make me happy. Yep, I'm petty.

I’m forcing myself to think big picture.