Could ACC be snubbed and SBC get in CFP?

[AppDub]

I was pulling for Troy, but now I hope JMU goes to Oregon and wins. A win would make it a lot more difficult to change who gets in.

You are a better man than me. JMU can't lose by enough to make me happy. Yep, I'm petty.

I’m forcing myself to think big picture.

The logic makes perfect sense. I just can't get there. I'm a flawed man.

[Yosef84]

Folks, the auto-bid rules were designed to allow representation....some sort of path....for all conferences. The intent was for the P4 champs to get in and for there to be ONE representative for the G5. This year, the ACC botched things and opened the door for the second G5 team. I really don't get all the comments criticizing JMU vs at-large bids. That's a whole different process. Also, "Deserving" has very little to do with it. Lots of deserving teams are left out every year. Vandy is deserving but won't go.

Someone above asked if I really thought they would be willing to upset ND. I have no idea, but I don't think they want to piss off The SEC either...or Bama. The point that I made was that ND doesn't DESERVE the special consideration they get. They haven't had a really good win this season. I don't care if they have a huge fan base but yeah....the committee panders to them. I hate that. My opinion is that they should be left out until they join a conference. If they want to sit home and count their money instead of playing in championships, that's their decision.

[311neers]

I have a feeling they’ll put a ranking cap on G5 getting in.

Have to win your conference and be ranked top 15 or something, or else they’ll move to the next at large P4 like ND/BYU/Vandy/Texas

[AtlAppMan]

SEC schools received $52.5 million each for the fiscal year ending 2023-24, as part of the conference’s annual revenue distribution.

Twelve of the 14 Big Ten schools each received about $60.5 million from the conference, with 2014 additions Maryland and Rutgers getting about $58.8 million apiece.

They want to make it fair?

[Yosefus]

If JMU and or Tulane don't win a couple playoff games we will have seen the last of a G5 team in the CFP. ESPN folks even Saban saying neither team really belong in. Talking change in format because of how this fell out.
If App State or any other G5 wants the potential to get there ever we all are going to have to swallow our puke and pull for both G5 reps in playoffs.

[Saint3333]

If UVA won last night ND not Miami would be in the playoffs. They couldn’t shut the ACC out.

[AtlAppMan]

If JMU and or Tulane don't win a couple playoff games we will have seen the last of a G5 team in the CFP. ESPN folks even Saban saying neither team really belong in. Talking change in format because of how this fell out.
If App State or any other G5 wants the potential to get there ever we all are going to have to swallow our puke and pull for both G5 reps in playoffs.

We have to play multiple P4s, or whatever they call it, every year. And win

[bcoach]

Understood by-laws that the top five ranked conference champions make the CFP, what mental gymnastics will occur to keep ND, Miami, and Bama in over JMU?

There are no mental gymnastics available other than elevating Duke. I don't think that happens. The ACC screwed the system and I am sure they change it moving forward but for this playoff, I think JMU just got in. We will see I guess. Any other result if a flagrant change to their own rules. The gymnastics will now be a direct choice a month ND, Miami and Bama. My personal opinion is that ND should be left out (head to head loss to Miami) but I won't be surprised to see something Miami screwed. I don't think the CFP committee screws with the SEC but you never know. With all the depth in the SEC, maybe they will. I would actually LOVE to see Bama get screwed, but I'll be surprised if it happens. All that said, I've been wrong plenty of times before. We will know soon enough.

Notre Dame? Given the size of their fanbase (read: TV audience), don't you think the committee would do anything to give them a slot? Even at the expense of a more-deserving program?

As much as I dislike saying it, JMU deserves a bid over most of the other programs under consideration. If they don't get in, we should expect a lot of entertainment to come out Harrisonburg/Richmond. Remember the puppet show they staged when they were transitioning to FBS and were refused access to bowl bids? But then I think about if App was in that position: how would we respond?

Saying that JMU should be in over ND, Miami, Bama and a number of other teams is only because of a ridiculous system. The system is what it is though so you really need to go back to ranking and that is the same mess it has always been. The playoff is intended to get as much TV revenue as possible, not to get the best teams in the mix.

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AGAIN....JMU is not getting in "over ND, Miami, Bama...." JMU is getting I as part of the auto-bid process. Those others are being considered as at-large bids.

That is what I just said.

[CharlotteApp05]

Told yall!

[appst89]

This may be the last year you see any G5 in the field.

[hapapp]

I'm just happy to see James Madison make it. This proves once and for all that App does not actually have to go undefeated to have a chance to make the playoff. Win the conference and it's possible.

At least under the current system and with the ACC currently using nonsensical tiebreakers.

This will change.

[AppStateMtneer]

The way they change without change… what they will do is make it very very very difficult for any G5 team to be ranked in the top 25.

[CharlotteApp05]

I don’t think so. Next step will be 16. 5 conference champions 11 autos…. And a couple of strings.

[CharlotteApp05]

And I don’t think anyone is looking to rescue the ACC like some on here do. The other Ps are much stronger voices and are enjoying this moment.

[RankinApp]

Lanning is going to have Oregon chomping at the bit to keelhaul the Dukes under Autzen.

There's no way two G6 ever get into the playoff again.

[t4pizza]

I actually think the committee got the right teams in this year under the parameters that they work with. I have no problem with 2 G6 teams making the field. But I also don’t pretend that either could compete with any of the other team’s schedules. Nobody ever thought that 2 G6 teams would make it, but they just did. Everyone who thinks the rules will now change to prevent it in the future just remember that all conferences and Noter Dame have a vote. The Sun Belt gets a vote just the same as the SEC gets a vote, now the SEC clearly has more power to influence other votes but they only get a vote. If the other conferences all take a hard stand and stop being bullied by the SEC and BIG10 (18), then who knows what can happens. The Bug 12 and ACC need to realize that their interests align more with the G6 at the end of the day than with the big 2.

[t4pizza]

Lanning is going to have Oregon chomping at the bit to keelhaul the Dukes under Autzen.

There's no way two G6 ever get into the playoff again.

People have been saying this since the playoffs began but here we are. First it was no G5 would make the 4 team and then Cincy did it, now it’s no 2 G6s will make it and they just did. Who knows how the rules will change. All of little guys should rejoice in getting 2 teams in, even if this is the only time it happens.

[AppInDC]

I actually think the committee got the right teams in this year under the parameters that they work with. I have no problem with 2 G6 teams making the field. But I also don’t pretend that either could compete with any of the other team’s schedules. Nobody ever thought that 2 G6 teams would make it, but they just did. Everyone who thinks the rules will now change to prevent it in the future just remember that all conferences and Noter Dame have a vote. The Sun Belt gets a vote just the same as the SEC gets a vote, now the SEC clearly has more power to influence other votes but they only get a vote. If the other conferences all take a hard stand and stop being bullied by the SEC and BIG10 (18), then who knows what can happens. The Bug 12 and ACC need to realize that their interests align more with the G6 at the end of the day than with the big 2.

I'm not sure if any changes need to be unanimous anymore but I don't know the full details. My understanding is SEC and Big Ten now have a larger say but that's all I know.

From the proposals I have seen, they are still keeping at least spot open for the G5/G6 (when Pac-12 reforms).

The ACC and their members could have prevented this from happening in numerous ways. UVA could have beaten Duke. SMU could have beaten Cal. Duke could have beaten Uconn and Tulane. The conference could have selected better tiebreaks to give Miami or GT a spot in title game. The issue isn't necessarily with the playoff structure. It's because one of the power conferences dropped the ball. If they fix that and actually perform like they are supposed to given their reputation, then James Madison goes goes to New Orleans or Boca Raton and no one has to wring their hands over restructuring of the playoff format.

[canes_mj]

Unless there's a complete split/separation of the big programs (which there may be), G5 will have to have 1 spot...this was established during BCS era because otherwise there were antitrust issues.

They'll tweak the system somehow to make sure 2 never get in again. But I think they got it right with the at-large bids this year; I'm pleased with the results. And the ACC and ND have no one to blame other than themselves...ND for not being in a conference and wanting their continued having their cake and eating it too special treatment (funny Spurrier clip on this at one of the SEC media days). ACC got in but they're going to be sweating it out yearly because 1. they can't produce more than 1 decent playoff worthy football team per year; and 2. the terrible decision to add Cal/SMU/Stanford...conference is way to big and teams can't play....that's a recipe for a 5 way tie for 2nd place, allowing a 5 loss teams to get into your title game and win it.

[t4pizza]

I actually think the committee got the right teams in this year under the parameters that they work with. I have no problem with 2 G6 teams making the field. But I also don’t pretend that either could compete with any of the other team’s schedules. Nobody ever thought that 2 G6 teams would make it, but they just did. Everyone who thinks the rules will now change to prevent it in the future just remember that all conferences and Noter Dame have a vote. The Sun Belt gets a vote just the same as the SEC gets a vote, now the SEC clearly has more power to influence other votes but they only get a vote. If the other conferences all take a hard stand and stop being bullied by the SEC and BIG10 (18), then who knows what can happens. The Bug 12 and ACC need to realize that their interests align more with the G6 at the end of the day than with the big 2.

I'm not sure if any changes need to be unanimous anymore but I don't know the full details. My understanding is SEC and Big Ten now have a larger say but that's all I know.

From the proposals I have seen, they are still keeping at least spot open for the G5/G6 (when Pac-12 reforms).

The ACC and their members could have prevented this from happening in numerous ways. UVA could have beaten Duke. SMU could have beaten Cal. Duke could have beaten Uconn and Tulane. The conference could have selected better tiebreaks to give Miami or GT a spot in title game. The issue isn't necessarily with the playoff structure. It's because one of the power conferences dropped the ball. If they fix that and actually perform like they are supposed to given their reputation, then James Madison goes goes to New Orleans or Boca Raton and no one has to wring their hands over restructuring of the playoff format.

Pretty sure all conference and Notre Dame get equal votes. The SEC and Big10 tried to usurp more power but it didn’t pass. All the conferences are equal in votes.