Point out those incorrect assumptions.Saint3333 wrote:This post is full of incorrect assumptions based on the recent news.AppGrad78 wrote:It sure feels like we're pinching pennies these days:
-- We didn't allow several of our teams on campus the weekend before school started because we declined to pay their housing costs, something we routinely did in the past.
-- We redirected funds raised by the baseball team and earmarked for the baseball team and channeled those funds to the overall athletic budget.
-- Except for a day trip to Charlotte, the band hasn't played on the road this season.
-- Employees who expected to be compensated with FBS-level salaries are seeking employment elsewhere, presumably because those FBS-level salaries aren't materializing. See Jay Sutton, Jake Stroot. Others are actively looking.
-- Our Board of Trustees extended the contracts of two young coaches whose service here so far has been unremarkable as a hedge against paying them higher salaries later. It has the potential to control expenses in the short term but comes at considerable risk if those coaches fail to produce.
The point is, I'm enjoying the improved football schedule and increased presence on regional and national television as much as the next person, but it appears we're having trouble making Charlie Cobb's fanciful FBS financial projections come true.
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Most of these issues were directly related to poor management by Coob. Everts wasn't around long enough to impact these decisions.NewApp wrote:Point out those incorrect assumptions.Saint3333 wrote:This post is full of incorrect assumptions based on the recent news.AppGrad78 wrote:It sure feels like we're pinching pennies these days:
-- We didn't allow several of our teams on campus the weekend before school started because we declined to pay their housing costs, something we routinely did in the past.
-- We redirected funds raised by the baseball team and earmarked for the baseball team and channeled those funds to the overall athletic budget.
-- Except for a day trip to Charlotte, the band hasn't played on the road this season.
-- Employees who expected to be compensated with FBS-level salaries are seeking employment elsewhere, presumably because those FBS-level salaries aren't materializing. See Jay Sutton, Jake Stroot. Others are actively looking.
-- Our Board of Trustees extended the contracts of two young coaches whose service here so far has been unremarkable as a hedge against paying them higher salaries later. It has the potential to control expenses in the short term but comes at considerable risk if those coaches fail to produce.
The point is, I'm enjoying the improved football schedule and increased presence on regional and national television as much as the next person, but it appears we're having trouble making Charlie Cobb's fanciful FBS financial projections come true.
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Sorry for not trimming prior comments - on phone and its a pain in the rear.sonsofyosef wrote:Plenty of academic buildings that should have been replaced by now remain: Greer Hall, Sanford Hall, Edwin Duncan Hall...and the music building should have had an addition at least ten years ago.AppDawg wrote:What about all of the dorms that have been gutted and renovated and the new ones built? The new Library? The new cafeteria, the expansion of the student union? The new Communications building on corner of depot and rivers st. New College of Education Building? Renovation of the History Building? Within last 10-15 yrs, a new physics building was opened as was a new wing to Rankin.... Need I go on...NewApp wrote:If nothing else, look at the state of our athletic facilities compared to our academic ones. We have nice academic facilities for sure, but they pale in comparison to our more or less state of the art athletic facilities. Look at our endowment compared to our peers or our want to be peers.APPARJ wrote:
Based on what?
Academics should be our primary shining star but it is on the way to becoming secondary as our athletic accomplishments and prestige grow. Millions recognize our athletic brand but are there equal numbers who truly know just what a fine academic institution we are?
I stand by my post.
I was with you on academics - profs/student resouces needed funding for the decreases and added constraints the State on NC has placed on the University, but I do not buy the academic buildings pale in comparison..
This discussion just proves my thoughts that people on this board just want to bitch and moan about anything. I will point out, the Duncan Hall issue was remedied by the Brand Spankin' New College of Education Building behind the post office. Additionally several years ago the 2020 master plan was issued. The majority of your concerns are addressed within and steps are being take to implement that plan - as evidenced by the list in my prior post. Personally, while academic buildings are important, with the growing student population, I think the school has tackled it appropriately by updating/constructing new residence halls first.
Master Plan: http://masterplan2020.appstate.edu/site ... 8_10C3.pdf
2013 budget request from Board of Govs... See page 14 of 33:
https://www.northcarolina.edu/sites/def ... 013-15.pdf
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JTApps1 wrote:Most of these issues were directly related to poor management by Coob. Everts wasn't around long enough to impact these decisions.NewApp wrote:Point out those incorrect assumptions.Saint3333 wrote:This post is full of incorrect assumptions based on the recent news.AppGrad78 wrote:It sure feels like we're pinching pennies these days:
-- We didn't allow several of our teams on campus the weekend before school started because we declined to pay their housing costs, something we routinely did in the past.
-- We redirected funds raised by the baseball team and earmarked for the baseball team and channeled those funds to the overall athletic budget.
-- Except for a day trip to Charlotte, the band hasn't played on the road this season.
-- Employees who expected to be compensated with FBS-level salaries are seeking employment elsewhere, presumably because those FBS-level salaries aren't materializing. See Jay Sutton, Jake Stroot. Others are actively looking.
-- Our Board of Trustees extended the contracts of two young coaches whose service here so far has been unremarkable as a hedge against paying them higher salaries later. It has the potential to control expenses in the short term but comes at considerable risk if those coaches fail to produce.
The point is, I'm enjoying the improved football schedule and increased presence on regional and national television as much as the next person, but it appears we're having trouble making Charlie Cobb's fanciful FBS financial projections come true.
You're probably right, but this is the main thing I agreed with in 78's post: but it appears we're having trouble making Charlie Cobb's fanciful FBS financial projections come true
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It's not as if Duncan Hall has been vacant since the COE move to the new building, parts of Health Sciences call it their home.AppDawg wrote:Sorry for not trimming prior comments - on phone and its a pain in the rear.sonsofyosef wrote:Plenty of academic buildings that should have been replaced by now remain: Greer Hall, Sanford Hall, Edwin Duncan Hall...and the music building should have had an addition at least ten years ago.AppDawg wrote:What about all of the dorms that have been gutted and renovated and the new ones built? The new Library? The new cafeteria, the expansion of the student union? The new Communications building on corner of depot and rivers st. New College of Education Building? Renovation of the History Building? Within last 10-15 yrs, a new physics building was opened as was a new wing to Rankin.... Need I go on...NewApp wrote:If nothing else, look at the state of our athletic facilities compared to our academic ones. We have nice academic facilities for sure, but they pale in comparison to our more or less state of the art athletic facilities. Look at our endowment compared to our peers or our want to be peers.APPARJ wrote:
Based on what?
Academics should be our primary shining star but it is on the way to becoming secondary as our athletic accomplishments and prestige grow. Millions recognize our athletic brand but are there equal numbers who truly know just what a fine academic institution we are?
I stand by my post.
I was with you on academics - profs/student resouces needed funding for the decreases and added constraints the State on NC has placed on the University, but I do not buy the academic buildings pale in comparison..
This discussion just proves my thoughts that people on this board just want to bitch and moan about anything. I will point out, the Duncan Hall issue was remedied by the Brand Spankin' New College of Education Building behind the post office. Additionally several years ago the 2020 master plan was issued. The majority of your concerns are addressed within and steps are being take to implement that plan - as evidenced by the list in my prior post. Personally, while academic buildings are important, with the growing student population, I think the school has tackled it appropriately by updating/constructing new residence halls first.
Master Plan: http://masterplan2020.appstate.edu/site ... 8_10C3.pdf
2013 budget request from Board of Govs... See page 14 of 33:
https://www.northcarolina.edu/sites/def ... 013-15.pdf
But who wants facts to get in the way of an opinion.
I have it on good information that the provost has been telling various depts on campus that the NC legislature is not inclined to fund more campus "bricks and mortar". If the dept wants a new building, the dept will have to fundraise for it?!
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Yep, but some people's facts don't jive with other people's facts. Ever notice that?AppDawg wrote:Sorry for not trimming prior comments - on phone and its a pain in the rear.sonsofyosef wrote:Plenty of academic buildings that should have been replaced by now remain: Greer Hall, Sanford Hall, Edwin Duncan Hall...and the music building should have had an addition at least ten years ago.AppDawg wrote:What about all of the dorms that have been gutted and renovated and the new ones built? The new Library? The new cafeteria, the expansion of the student union? The new Communications building on corner of depot and rivers st. New College of Education Building? Renovation of the History Building? Within last 10-15 yrs, a new physics building was opened as was a new wing to Rankin.... Need I go on...NewApp wrote:If nothing else, look at the state of our athletic facilities compared to our academic ones. We have nice academic facilities for sure, but they pale in comparison to our more or less state of the art athletic facilities. Look at our endowment compared to our peers or our want to be peers.APPARJ wrote:
Based on what?
Academics should be our primary shining star but it is on the way to becoming secondary as our athletic accomplishments and prestige grow. Millions recognize our athletic brand but are there equal numbers who truly know just what a fine academic institution we are?
I stand by my post.
I was with you on academics - profs/student resouces needed funding for the decreases and added constraints the State on NC has placed on the University, but I do not buy the academic buildings pale in comparison..
This discussion just proves my thoughts that people on this board just want to bitch and moan about anything. I will point out, the Duncan Hall issue was remedied by the Brand Spankin' New College of Education Building behind the post office. Additionally several years ago the 2020 master plan was issued. The majority of your concerns are addressed within and steps are being take to implement that plan - as evidenced by the list in my prior post. Personally, while academic buildings are important, with the growing student population, I think the school has tackled it appropriately by updating/constructing new residence halls first.
Master Plan: http://masterplan2020.appstate.edu/site ... 8_10C3.pdf
2013 budget request from Board of Govs... See page 14 of 33:
https://www.northcarolina.edu/sites/def ... 013-15.pdf
But who wants facts to get in the way of an opinion.
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Isn't it a little too soon to be making decisions about whether or not the FBS financial projections are accurate?
Isn't it a little too soon to be making decisions about whether or not the FBS financial projections are accurate?
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Not quite that early. I'm just waiting for the axe to fall on some minor sports. I'll be pissed when it happens and it's not if, it's when.proasu89 wrote:NewApp,
Isn't it a little too soon to be making decisions about whether or not the FBS financial projections are accurate?
Besides, ask 78, he made the statement and I simply respect his opinions and judgement.
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...and that hurts the school how?NewApp wrote:appbio, I didn't say our academics weren't up to snuff by any stretch of the imagination. just saying that our reputation nation wide is far more from our major athletic achievements than our academics.
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but it appears we're having trouble making Charlie Cobb's fanciful FBS financial projections come trueNewApp wrote:Not quite that early. I'm just waiting for the axe to fall on some minor sports. I'll be pissed when it happens and it's not if, it's when.proasu89 wrote:NewApp,
Isn't it a little too soon to be making decisions about whether or not the FBS financial projections are accurate?
Besides, ask 78, he made the statement and I simply respect his opinions and judgement.
I apologize. I must have misread the above quote.

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It shouldn't. Since both are achievements.APPARJ wrote:...and that hurts the school how?NewApp wrote:appbio, I didn't say our academics weren't up to snuff by any stretch of the imagination. just saying that our reputation nation wide is far more from our major athletic achievements than our academics.
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If you don't know already, i'm not articulate enough to explain it to you. Suffice it to say that I love athletics and the experience of being a fan but I came to Appalachian to learn and to prepare myself for a career first and foremost. Not saying we can't excell in both arena's but the academics should be far and away the primary and I'm just not always sure it is. I admire Chancelor Peacock and what he accomplished but I would have rather he gotten our fair share out of the legislature than all he helped build in the athletic aspect. Again I cherish what he did for athletics, our spirit, and name recognition. He spent much of an entire year traveling around with our trophies and I appreciate it quite a bit.
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I'm guessing this is a response to my question. If so, this is a non-answer as our academic reputation has never been higher. You can thank our athletic program for being major part.NewApp wrote:If you don't know already, i'm not articulate enough to explain it to you. Suffice it to say that I love athletics and the experience of being a fan but I came to Appalachian to learn and to prepare myself for a career first and foremost. Not saying we can't excell in both arena's but the academics should be far and away the primary and I'm just not always sure it is. I admire Chancelor Peacock and what he accomplished but I would have rather he gotten our fair share out of the legislature than all he helped build in the athletic aspect. Again I cherish what he did for athletics, our spirit, and name recognition. He spent much of an entire year traveling around with our trophies and I appreciate it quite a bit.
When you think of Clemson, what comes to mind? A stellar engineering school? Nope. Sports. What about Alabama? Do you think of their Law School? Nope. Sports. Does anyone think of Oregon's School of Law? Nope.
Not saying you want this scenario (but maybe you do), but any effort to pour time and resources to make App State famous for academics instead of the greatest upset in sports history would not only be foolish, it would be dangerous to the progress we've made as an academic institution to this point.
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Then we'll just have to agree to disagree because I apparently don't want the degree to the things you and others do. I agree with your assessment of other institutions but I don't want that for us. I value my diploma on the wall more than my framed ticket stubs to the national championship games. To each his own.APPARJ wrote:I'm guessing this is a response to my question. If so, this is a non-answer as our academic reputation has never been higher. You can thank our athletic program for being major part.NewApp wrote:If you don't know already, i'm not articulate enough to explain it to you. Suffice it to say that I love athletics and the experience of being a fan but I came to Appalachian to learn and to prepare myself for a career first and foremost. Not saying we can't excell in both arena's but the academics should be far and away the primary and I'm just not always sure it is. I admire Chancelor Peacock and what he accomplished but I would have rather he gotten our fair share out of the legislature than all he helped build in the athletic aspect. Again I cherish what he did for athletics, our spirit, and name recognition. He spent much of an entire year traveling around with our trophies and I appreciate it quite a bit.
When you think of Clemson, what comes to mind? A stellar engineering school? Nope. Sports. What about Alabama? Do you think of their Law School? Nope. Sports. Does anyone think of Oregon's School of Law? Nope.
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This may come as a shock to you, but I do too. However, I value both. One has done well for me, and the other has done wonders for the university I love.NewApp wrote:Then we'll just have to agree to disagree because I apparently don't want the degree to the things you and others do. I agree with your assessment of other institutions but I don't want that for us. I value my diploma on the wall more than my framed ticket stubs to the national championship games. To each his own.APPARJ wrote:I'm guessing this is a response to my question. If so, this is a non-answer as our academic reputation has never been higher. You can thank our athletic program for being major part.NewApp wrote:If you don't know already, i'm not articulate enough to explain it to you. Suffice it to say that I love athletics and the experience of being a fan but I came to Appalachian to learn and to prepare myself for a career first and foremost. Not saying we can't excell in both arena's but the academics should be far and away the primary and I'm just not always sure it is. I admire Chancelor Peacock and what he accomplished but I would have rather he gotten our fair share out of the legislature than all he helped build in the athletic aspect. Again I cherish what he did for athletics, our spirit, and name recognition. He spent much of an entire year traveling around with our trophies and I appreciate it quite a bit.
When you think of Clemson, what comes to mind? A stellar engineering school? Nope. Sports. What about Alabama? Do you think of their Law School? Nope. Sports. Does anyone think of Oregon's School of Law? Nope.
Not saying you want this scenario (but maybe you do), but any effort to pour time and resources to make App State famous for academics instead of the greatest upset in sports history would not only be foolish, it would be dangerous to the progress we've made as an academic institution to this point.
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I was in the band for 5 years in the mid 2000's - I don't think we ever did more than 1 away game a year.NewApp wrote:Not ashamed to admit that I strongly agree with everything you said except the band thing. Didn't the band go to Statesboro Thursday night?AppGrad78 wrote:It sure feels like we're pinching pennies these days:
-- We didn't allow several of our teams on campus the weekend before school started because we declined to pay their housing costs, something we routinely did in the past.
-- We redirected funds raised by the baseball team and earmarked for the baseball team and channeled those funds to the overall athletic budget.
-- Except for a day trip to Charlotte, the band hasn't played on the road this season.
-- Employees who expected to be compensated with FBS-level salaries are seeking employment elsewhere, presumably because those FBS-level salaries aren't materializing. See Jay Sutton, Jake Stroot. Others are actively looking.
-- Our Board of Trustees extended the contracts of two young coaches whose service here so far has been unremarkable as a hedge against paying them higher salaries later. It has the potential to control expenses in the short term but comes at considerable risk if those coaches fail to produce.
The point is, I'm enjoying the improved football schedule and increased presence on regional and national television as much as the next person, but it appears we're having trouble making Charlie Cobb's fanciful FBS financial projections come true.
on edit, just saw another later poster saying similarly about the BOD.
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That really bothers me. Why do you separate the two (athletics and academics)? You can't have a diploma from a great academic institution that happens to excel in athletics?NewApp wrote:Then we'll just have to agree to disagree because I apparently don't want the degree to the things you and others do. I agree with your assessment of other institutions but I don't want that for us. I value my diploma on the wall more than my framed ticket stubs to the national championship games. To each his own.APPARJ wrote:I'm guessing this is a response to my question. If so, this is a non-answer as our academic reputation has never been higher. You can thank our athletic program for being major part.NewApp wrote:If you don't know already, i'm not articulate enough to explain it to you. Suffice it to say that I love athletics and the experience of being a fan but I came to Appalachian to learn and to prepare myself for a career first and foremost. Not saying we can't excell in both arena's but the academics should be far and away the primary and I'm just not always sure it is. I admire Chancelor Peacock and what he accomplished but I would have rather he gotten our fair share out of the legislature than all he helped build in the athletic aspect. Again I cherish what he did for athletics, our spirit, and name recognition. He spent much of an entire year traveling around with our trophies and I appreciate it quite a bit.
When you think of Clemson, what comes to mind? A stellar engineering school? Nope. Sports. What about Alabama? Do you think of their Law School? Nope. Sports. Does anyone think of Oregon's School of Law? Nope.
Not saying you want this scenario (but maybe you do), but any effort to pour time and resources to make App State famous for academics instead of the greatest upset in sports history would not only be foolish, it would be dangerous to the progress we've made as an academic institution to this point.
You seem to be creating controversy where there is none. App State is an awesome school and aside from the past few seasons in football, we're a football powerhouse.
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