Satterfield contract adjusted & Billy Jones gets extension

[NewApp]

It sure feels like we're pinching pennies these days:

-- We didn't allow several of our teams on campus the weekend before school started because we declined to pay their housing costs, something we routinely did in the past.

-- We redirected funds raised by the baseball team and earmarked for the baseball team and channeled those funds to the overall athletic budget.

-- Except for a day trip to Charlotte, the band hasn't played on the road this season.

-- Employees who expected to be compensated with FBS-level salaries are seeking employment elsewhere, presumably because those FBS-level salaries aren't materializing. See Jay Sutton, Jake Stroot. Others are actively looking.

-- Our Board of Trustees extended the contracts of two young coaches whose service here so far has been unremarkable as a hedge against paying them higher salaries later. It has the potential to control expenses in the short term but comes at considerable risk if those coaches fail to produce.

The point is, I'm enjoying the improved football schedule and increased presence on regional and national television as much as the next person, but it appears we're having trouble making Charlie Cobb's fanciful FBS financial projections come true.

This post is full of incorrect assumptions based on the recent news.

Point out those incorrect assumptions.

[NewApp]

appbio, I didn't say our academics weren't up to snuff by any stretch of the imagination. just saying that our reputation nation wide is far more from our major athletic achievements than our academics.

[JTApps1]

It sure feels like we're pinching pennies these days:

-- We didn't allow several of our teams on campus the weekend before school started because we declined to pay their housing costs, something we routinely did in the past.

-- We redirected funds raised by the baseball team and earmarked for the baseball team and channeled those funds to the overall athletic budget.

-- Except for a day trip to Charlotte, the band hasn't played on the road this season.

-- Employees who expected to be compensated with FBS-level salaries are seeking employment elsewhere, presumably because those FBS-level salaries aren't materializing. See Jay Sutton, Jake Stroot. Others are actively looking.

-- Our Board of Trustees extended the contracts of two young coaches whose service here so far has been unremarkable as a hedge against paying them higher salaries later. It has the potential to control expenses in the short term but comes at considerable risk if those coaches fail to produce.

The point is, I'm enjoying the improved football schedule and increased presence on regional and national television as much as the next person, but it appears we're having trouble making Charlie Cobb's fanciful FBS financial projections come true.

This post is full of incorrect assumptions based on the recent news.

Point out those incorrect assumptions.

Most of these issues were directly related to poor management by Coob. Everts wasn't around long enough to impact these decisions.

[AppDawg]

Based on what?

If nothing else, look at the state of our athletic facilities compared to our academic ones. We have nice academic facilities for sure, but they pale in comparison to our more or less state of the art athletic facilities. Look at our endowment compared to our peers or our want to be peers.

Academics should be our primary shining star but it is on the way to becoming secondary as our athletic accomplishments and prestige grow. Millions recognize our athletic brand but are there equal numbers who truly know just what a fine academic institution we are?

I stand by my post.

What about all of the dorms that have been gutted and renovated and the new ones built? The new Library? The new cafeteria, the expansion of the student union? The new Communications building on corner of depot and rivers st. New College of Education Building? Renovation of the History Building? Within last 10-15 yrs, a new physics building was opened as was a new wing to Rankin.... Need I go on...

I was with you on academics - profs/student resouces needed funding for the decreases and added constraints the State on NC has placed on the University, but I do not buy the academic buildings pale in comparison..

Plenty of academic buildings that should have been replaced by now remain: Greer Hall, Sanford Hall, Edwin Duncan Hall...and the music building should have had an addition at least ten years ago.

Sorry for not trimming prior comments - on phone and its a pain in the rear.

This discussion just proves my thoughts that people on this board just want to bitch and moan about anything. I will point out, the Duncan Hall issue was remedied by the Brand Spankin' New College of Education Building behind the post office. Additionally several years ago the 2020 master plan was issued. The majority of your concerns are addressed within and steps are being take to implement that plan - as evidenced by the list in my prior post. Personally, while academic buildings are important, with the growing student population, I think the school has tackled it appropriately by updating/constructing new residence halls first.

Master Plan: http://masterplan2020.appstate.edu/site ... 8_10C3.pdf

2013 budget request from Board of Govs... See page 14 of 33:
https://www.northcarolina.edu/sites/def ... 013-15.pdf

But who wants facts to get in the way of an opinion.

[NewApp]

It sure feels like we're pinching pennies these days:

-- We didn't allow several of our teams on campus the weekend before school started because we declined to pay their housing costs, something we routinely did in the past.

-- We redirected funds raised by the baseball team and earmarked for the baseball team and channeled those funds to the overall athletic budget.

-- Except for a day trip to Charlotte, the band hasn't played on the road this season.

-- Employees who expected to be compensated with FBS-level salaries are seeking employment elsewhere, presumably because those FBS-level salaries aren't materializing. See Jay Sutton, Jake Stroot. Others are actively looking.

-- Our Board of Trustees extended the contracts of two young coaches whose service here so far has been unremarkable as a hedge against paying them higher salaries later. It has the potential to control expenses in the short term but comes at considerable risk if those coaches fail to produce.

The point is, I'm enjoying the improved football schedule and increased presence on regional and national television as much as the next person, but it appears we're having trouble making Charlie Cobb's fanciful FBS financial projections come true.

This post is full of incorrect assumptions based on the recent news.

Point out those incorrect assumptions.

Most of these issues were directly related to poor management by Coob. Everts wasn't around long enough to impact these decisions.

You're probably right, but this is the main thing I agreed with in 78's post: but it appears we're having trouble making Charlie Cobb's fanciful FBS financial projections come true

[sonsofyosef]

Based on what?

If nothing else, look at the state of our athletic facilities compared to our academic ones. We have nice academic facilities for sure, but they pale in comparison to our more or less state of the art athletic facilities. Look at our endowment compared to our peers or our want to be peers.

Academics should be our primary shining star but it is on the way to becoming secondary as our athletic accomplishments and prestige grow. Millions recognize our athletic brand but are there equal numbers who truly know just what a fine academic institution we are?

I stand by my post.

What about all of the dorms that have been gutted and renovated and the new ones built? The new Library? The new cafeteria, the expansion of the student union? The new Communications building on corner of depot and rivers st. New College of Education Building? Renovation of the History Building? Within last 10-15 yrs, a new physics building was opened as was a new wing to Rankin.... Need I go on...

I was with you on academics - profs/student resouces needed funding for the decreases and added constraints the State on NC has placed on the University, but I do not buy the academic buildings pale in comparison..

Plenty of academic buildings that should have been replaced by now remain: Greer Hall, Sanford Hall, Edwin Duncan Hall...and the music building should have had an addition at least ten years ago.

Sorry for not trimming prior comments - on phone and its a pain in the rear.

This discussion just proves my thoughts that people on this board just want to bitch and moan about anything. I will point out, the Duncan Hall issue was remedied by the Brand Spankin' New College of Education Building behind the post office. Additionally several years ago the 2020 master plan was issued. The majority of your concerns are addressed within and steps are being take to implement that plan - as evidenced by the list in my prior post. Personally, while academic buildings are important, with the growing student population, I think the school has tackled it appropriately by updating/constructing new residence halls first.

Master Plan: http://masterplan2020.appstate.edu/site ... 8_10C3.pdf

2013 budget request from Board of Govs... See page 14 of 33:
https://www.northcarolina.edu/sites/def ... 013-15.pdf

But who wants facts to get in the way of an opinion.

It's not as if Duncan Hall has been vacant since the COE move to the new building, parts of Health Sciences call it their home.
I have it on good information that the provost has been telling various depts on campus that the NC legislature is not inclined to fund more campus "bricks and mortar". If the dept wants a new building, the dept will have to fundraise for it?!

[NewApp]

Based on what?

If nothing else, look at the state of our athletic facilities compared to our academic ones. We have nice academic facilities for sure, but they pale in comparison to our more or less state of the art athletic facilities. Look at our endowment compared to our peers or our want to be peers.

Academics should be our primary shining star but it is on the way to becoming secondary as our athletic accomplishments and prestige grow. Millions recognize our athletic brand but are there equal numbers who truly know just what a fine academic institution we are?

I stand by my post.

What about all of the dorms that have been gutted and renovated and the new ones built? The new Library? The new cafeteria, the expansion of the student union? The new Communications building on corner of depot and rivers st. New College of Education Building? Renovation of the History Building? Within last 10-15 yrs, a new physics building was opened as was a new wing to Rankin.... Need I go on...

I was with you on academics - profs/student resouces needed funding for the decreases and added constraints the State on NC has placed on the University, but I do not buy the academic buildings pale in comparison..

Plenty of academic buildings that should have been replaced by now remain: Greer Hall, Sanford Hall, Edwin Duncan Hall...and the music building should have had an addition at least ten years ago.

Sorry for not trimming prior comments - on phone and its a pain in the rear.

This discussion just proves my thoughts that people on this board just want to bitch and moan about anything. I will point out, the Duncan Hall issue was remedied by the Brand Spankin' New College of Education Building behind the post office. Additionally several years ago the 2020 master plan was issued. The majority of your concerns are addressed within and steps are being take to implement that plan - as evidenced by the list in my prior post. Personally, while academic buildings are important, with the growing student population, I think the school has tackled it appropriately by updating/constructing new residence halls first.

Master Plan: http://masterplan2020.appstate.edu/site ... 8_10C3.pdf

2013 budget request from Board of Govs... See page 14 of 33:
https://www.northcarolina.edu/sites/def ... 013-15.pdf

But who wants facts to get in the way of an opinion.

Yep, but some people's facts don't jive with other people's facts. Ever notice that?

[proasu89]

NewApp,

Isn't it a little too soon to be making decisions about whether or not the FBS financial projections are accurate?

[NewApp]

NewApp,

Isn't it a little too soon to be making decisions about whether or not the FBS financial projections are accurate?

Not quite that early. I'm just waiting for the axe to fall on some minor sports. I'll be pissed when it happens and it's not if, it's when.
Besides, ask 78, he made the statement and I simply respect his opinions and judgement.

[APPARJ]

appbio, I didn't say our academics weren't up to snuff by any stretch of the imagination. just saying that our reputation nation wide is far more from our major athletic achievements than our academics.

...and that hurts the school how?

[proasu89]

NewApp,

Isn't it a little too soon to be making decisions about whether or not the FBS financial projections are accurate?

Not quite that early. I'm just waiting for the axe to fall on some minor sports. I'll be pissed when it happens and it's not if, it's when.
Besides, ask 78, he made the statement and I simply respect his opinions and judgement.

but it appears we're having trouble making Charlie Cobb's fanciful FBS financial projections come true

I apologize. I must have misread the above quote.

[AppinVA]

appbio, I didn't say our academics weren't up to snuff by any stretch of the imagination. just saying that our reputation nation wide is far more from our major athletic achievements than our academics.

...and that hurts the school how?

It shouldn't. Since both are achievements.

[NewApp]

If you don't know already, i'm not articulate enough to explain it to you. Suffice it to say that I love athletics and the experience of being a fan but I came to Appalachian to learn and to prepare myself for a career first and foremost. Not saying we can't excell in both arena's but the academics should be far and away the primary and I'm just not always sure it is. I admire Chancelor Peacock and what he accomplished but I would have rather he gotten our fair share out of the legislature than all he helped build in the athletic aspect. Again I cherish what he did for athletics, our spirit, and name recognition. He spent much of an entire year traveling around with our trophies and I appreciate it quite a bit.

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

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No it is still there. I quoted it.

[NewApp]

It wasn't supposed to be as I had replied to the wrong post on this miniature IPhone screen.

[APPARJ]

If you don't know already, i'm not articulate enough to explain it to you. Suffice it to say that I love athletics and the experience of being a fan but I came to Appalachian to learn and to prepare myself for a career first and foremost. Not saying we can't excell in both arena's but the academics should be far and away the primary and I'm just not always sure it is. I admire Chancelor Peacock and what he accomplished but I would have rather he gotten our fair share out of the legislature than all he helped build in the athletic aspect. Again I cherish what he did for athletics, our spirit, and name recognition. He spent much of an entire year traveling around with our trophies and I appreciate it quite a bit.

I'm guessing this is a response to my question. If so, this is a non-answer as our academic reputation has never been higher. You can thank our athletic program for being major part.

When you think of Clemson, what comes to mind? A stellar engineering school? Nope. Sports. What about Alabama? Do you think of their Law School? Nope. Sports. Does anyone think of Oregon's School of Law? Nope.

Not saying you want this scenario (but maybe you do), but any effort to pour time and resources to make App State famous for academics instead of the greatest upset in sports history would not only be foolish, it would be dangerous to the progress we've made as an academic institution to this point.

[NewApp]

If you don't know already, i'm not articulate enough to explain it to you. Suffice it to say that I love athletics and the experience of being a fan but I came to Appalachian to learn and to prepare myself for a career first and foremost. Not saying we can't excell in both arena's but the academics should be far and away the primary and I'm just not always sure it is. I admire Chancelor Peacock and what he accomplished but I would have rather he gotten our fair share out of the legislature than all he helped build in the athletic aspect. Again I cherish what he did for athletics, our spirit, and name recognition. He spent much of an entire year traveling around with our trophies and I appreciate it quite a bit.

I'm guessing this is a response to my question. If so, this is a non-answer as our academic reputation has never been higher. You can thank our athletic program for being major part.

When you think of Clemson, what comes to mind? A stellar engineering school? Nope. Sports. What about Alabama? Do you think of their Law School? Nope. Sports. Does anyone think of Oregon's School of Law? Nope.

Not saying you want this scenario (but maybe you do), but any effort to pour time and resources to make App State famous for academics instead of the greatest upset in sports history would not only be foolish, it would be dangerous to the progress we've made as an academic institution to this point.

Then we'll just have to agree to disagree because I apparently don't want the degree to the things you and others do. I agree with your assessment of other institutions but I don't want that for us. I value my diploma on the wall more than my framed ticket stubs to the national championship games. To each his own.

[AppinVA]

If you don't know already, i'm not articulate enough to explain it to you. Suffice it to say that I love athletics and the experience of being a fan but I came to Appalachian to learn and to prepare myself for a career first and foremost. Not saying we can't excell in both arena's but the academics should be far and away the primary and I'm just not always sure it is. I admire Chancelor Peacock and what he accomplished but I would have rather he gotten our fair share out of the legislature than all he helped build in the athletic aspect. Again I cherish what he did for athletics, our spirit, and name recognition. He spent much of an entire year traveling around with our trophies and I appreciate it quite a bit.

I'm guessing this is a response to my question. If so, this is a non-answer as our academic reputation has never been higher. You can thank our athletic program for being major part.

When you think of Clemson, what comes to mind? A stellar engineering school? Nope. Sports. What about Alabama? Do you think of their Law School? Nope. Sports. Does anyone think of Oregon's School of Law? Nope.

Not saying you want this scenario (but maybe you do), but any effort to pour time and resources to make App State famous for academics instead of the greatest upset in sports history would not only be foolish, it would be dangerous to the progress we've made as an academic institution to this point.

Then we'll just have to agree to disagree because I apparently don't want the degree to the things you and others do. I agree with your assessment of other institutions but I don't want that for us. I value my diploma on the wall more than my framed ticket stubs to the national championship games. To each his own.

This may come as a shock to you, but I do too. However, I value both. One has done well for me, and the other has done wonders for the university I love.

[Yosef]

It sure feels like we're pinching pennies these days:

-- We didn't allow several of our teams on campus the weekend before school started because we declined to pay their housing costs, something we routinely did in the past.

-- We redirected funds raised by the baseball team and earmarked for the baseball team and channeled those funds to the overall athletic budget.

-- Except for a day trip to Charlotte, the band hasn't played on the road this season.

-- Employees who expected to be compensated with FBS-level salaries are seeking employment elsewhere, presumably because those FBS-level salaries aren't materializing. See Jay Sutton, Jake Stroot. Others are actively looking.

-- Our Board of Trustees extended the contracts of two young coaches whose service here so far has been unremarkable as a hedge against paying them higher salaries later. It has the potential to control expenses in the short term but comes at considerable risk if those coaches fail to produce.

The point is, I'm enjoying the improved football schedule and increased presence on regional and national television as much as the next person, but it appears we're having trouble making Charlie Cobb's fanciful FBS financial projections come true.

Not ashamed to admit that I strongly agree with everything you said except the band thing. Didn't the band go to Statesboro Thursday night?

on edit, just saw another later poster saying similarly about the BOD.

I was in the band for 5 years in the mid 2000's - I don't think we ever did more than 1 away game a year.

[APPARJ]

If you don't know already, i'm not articulate enough to explain it to you. Suffice it to say that I love athletics and the experience of being a fan but I came to Appalachian to learn and to prepare myself for a career first and foremost. Not saying we can't excell in both arena's but the academics should be far and away the primary and I'm just not always sure it is. I admire Chancelor Peacock and what he accomplished but I would have rather he gotten our fair share out of the legislature than all he helped build in the athletic aspect. Again I cherish what he did for athletics, our spirit, and name recognition. He spent much of an entire year traveling around with our trophies and I appreciate it quite a bit.

I'm guessing this is a response to my question. If so, this is a non-answer as our academic reputation has never been higher. You can thank our athletic program for being major part.

When you think of Clemson, what comes to mind? A stellar engineering school? Nope. Sports. What about Alabama? Do you think of their Law School? Nope. Sports. Does anyone think of Oregon's School of Law? Nope.

Not saying you want this scenario (but maybe you do), but any effort to pour time and resources to make App State famous for academics instead of the greatest upset in sports history would not only be foolish, it would be dangerous to the progress we've made as an academic institution to this point.

Then we'll just have to agree to disagree because I apparently don't want the degree to the things you and others do. I agree with your assessment of other institutions but I don't want that for us. I value my diploma on the wall more than my framed ticket stubs to the national championship games. To each his own.

That really bothers me. Why do you separate the two (athletics and academics)? You can't have a diploma from a great academic institution that happens to excel in athletics?

You seem to be creating controversy where there is none. App State is an awesome school and aside from the past few seasons in football, we're a football powerhouse.

No one is ever forced with a choice of "WHAT ARE YOU MORE PROUD OF!?!?!?" - You have a diploma from a great school with a great football team. Quit being a curmudgeon.