Defense...WOW!!!!!!!!!

[appstatealum]

Brice is an upgrade.

And in my opinion it’s not close.

Miami got Brice off kilter early, but he goes through his reads better than the last few we've had under center. He was antsy and it showed in some fo the throws. Keep in mind, CB#2 on Miami is a straight beast and Brice was a little overprotective with his throws. It is what it is but he is the best we've had in a while

[bigdaddyg]

Thought this topic was about our great defense. The go to answer by guys like that is- this is a fan discussion board so I can voice my opinion. That’s true but I have to echo those who are asking what the hell are you watching? The problem with watching a game on TV is that you have no idea what the QB sees. We scream for him to find Henni but it’s not like Brice had some clean pocket with 5 seconds to scan the field. He is the next level talent that we have never had. I think he will absolutely destroy most of our remaining opponents.

[Howard Street Hooligan]

I hate crap like this. It’s been 2 games and we have a resident expert telling us Brice is a bust. Brice was a STUD in the EZU game. He had a few bad throws in the Miami game, but he also had some gems. The deep ball the Malik comes to mind. Not to mention after two games, it appears Brice has a very good head on his shoulders.

I’m starting to believe this might be the guy who sits a few rows behind us in 206. Barks all game long at the QB no matter what. Barked at Taylor, barked at Zac, and I’m sure he will be barking at Chase.

Chase is gonna prove this guy wrong, and I personally can’t wait!

GO APPS!!

No, I don’t sit behind you, but if he’s anymore accurate than he was vs Miami, we win that game easily. That’s not really debatable if you’re being honest and take the black & gold tinted glasses off.

[Howard Street Hooligan]

Thought this topic was about our great defense. The go to answer by guys like that is- this is a fan discussion board so I can voice my opinion. That’s true but I have to echo those who are asking what the hell are you watching? The problem with watching a game on TV is that you have no idea what the QB sees. We scream for him to find Henni but it’s not like Brice had some clean pocket with 5 seconds to scan the field. He is the next level talent that we have never had. I think he will absolutely destroy most of our remaining opponents.

He has the most talent for sure, it’s possible can make throws that none of our recent QB’s can, but also missed some absolutely gimmies the other night and throughout his career. Should he crush most our opponents, I sure as hell hope so, but he has to be great vs Marshall, Coastal and Louisiana if we want to win.

[Howard Street Hooligan]

But the defense is the best we’ve had.

[BambooRdApp]

I must have watched a different game than some. I like Chase as today or more than maybe after EasyU game after watching a replay.

Maybe not this forum but posts on other social media that he focused on Sutton too much..I disagree. Chase threw maybe 8 different receivers in the U game.
3 of the throws to Sutton were specific play calls. The two long ones down sideline were called by OC, not Chase. I do not believe that is Sutton strength when playing against tall athletic DBs. The one over middle well before yard markers on last drive was a specific designed the play by OC..on last drive, he hit Corey right in his hands on the left. Corey is human, he dropped one.
Virgil drops one right in his hands last drive.
The throw to Evans in endzone I am sure he wishes he had back. However, there appears to be a DB between Chase and Evans. As such, it could not have been a straight laser to Evans. He would have had to put air under it with touch.
On the early pick, give the lineman or LB some credit. He jumped up at right time and deflected the pass that resulted in interception.

I am impressed with Chase thus far.

[t4pizza]

I believe this is the best defense we have ever had. By the end of the season, Miami and AppState will be in the top 10 defenses in the country.

Spurlin amazes me how well he hangs with his size 5'11" 235. Meech and Roof looked like they were being held all night. Roof blitzing looked like a hold 10 times (never called). It will be tough for teams to score on APPSTATE!!!!!!!!!

agreed. this is DEF the best defense we have ever had. I firmly believe if we had a good QB then we'd easily run our schedule and at least give Cinci a run for their money for that top G5 spot. We have everything but a QB.

You don't think we have a QB?

We have one that plays the position, but he's not good.

I usually read an entire thread before I respond in case someone else has already covered what I was going to say, but this deserved a response regardless of what anyone else said. In the two games that Chase has played, he was done well. The angles on tv must have made it look like something it wasn't but in person Chase did a good job and outplayed King. Yes, he missed a few passes, but every QB misses passes in a game. There were far more dropped passes that should have been caught than missed passes. Chase made good decisions all night and helped put us in a position to win the game on the last possession, it just didn't work out. That defense of Miami was no joke, they had tight coverage the entire night on all our receivers and brought significant pressure on Chase the entire night. Chase wasn't our problem, too many mistakes from a variety of situations was our problem on the night. I said in another thread, we no longer have to play perfect games to win against teams like this anymore but we do have to make a lot less mistakes than we did on Saturday.

[Howard Street Hooligan]

I believe this is the best defense we have ever had. By the end of the season, Miami and AppState will be in the top 10 defenses in the country.

Spurlin amazes me how well he hangs with his size 5'11" 235. Meech and Roof looked like they were being held all night. Roof blitzing looked like a hold 10 times (never called). It will be tough for teams to score on APPSTATE!!!!!!!!!

agreed. this is DEF the best defense we have ever had. I firmly believe if we had a good QB then we'd easily run our schedule and at least give Cinci a run for their money for that top G5 spot. We have everything but a QB.

You don't think we have a QB?

We have one that plays the position, but he's not good.

I usually read an entire thread before I respond in case someone else has already covered what I was going to say, but this deserved a response regardless of what anyone else said. In the two games that Chase has played, he was done well. The angles on tv must have made it look like something it wasn't but in person Chase did a good job and outplayed King. Yes, he missed a few passes, but every QB misses passes in a game. There were far more dropped passes that should have been caught than missed passes. Chase made good decisions all night and helped put us in a position to win the game on the last possession, it just didn't work out. That defense of Miami was no joke, they had tight coverage the entire night on all our receivers and brought significant pressure on Chase the entire night. Chase wasn't our problem, too many mistakes from a variety of situations was our problem on the night. I said in another thread, we no longer have to play perfect games to win against teams like this anymore but we do have to make a lot less mistakes than we did on Saturday.

Sorry, but I just disagree. I think TV actually is better for the viewing experience to evaluate the game. A lot less distractions. For a lot of the game, he was doing the opposite of throwing guys open. Sure, every QB misses throws, just like every WR drops it every now and then, but not only did he miss a fairly easy touchdown in the end zone, he severely under threw the WR right before that play. If he throws a decent ball there then we walk into the end zone instead of kicking. The defense did their part and carried it tonight, but we needed just a little better play from our QB to this pull it.

[Appstate88]

agreed. this is DEF the best defense we have ever had. I firmly believe if we had a good QB then we'd easily run our schedule and at least give Cinci a run for their money for that top G5 spot. We have everything but a QB.

You don't think we have a QB?

We have one that plays the position, but he's not good.

I usually read an entire thread before I respond in case someone else has already covered what I was going to say, but this deserved a response regardless of what anyone else said. In the two games that Chase has played, he was done well. The angles on tv must have made it look like something it wasn't but in person Chase did a good job and outplayed King. Yes, he missed a few passes, but every QB misses passes in a game. There were far more dropped passes that should have been caught than missed passes. Chase made good decisions all night and helped put us in a position to win the game on the last possession, it just didn't work out. That defense of Miami was no joke, they had tight coverage the entire night on all our receivers and brought significant pressure on Chase the entire night. Chase wasn't our problem, too many mistakes from a variety of situations was our problem on the night. I said in another thread, we no longer have to play perfect games to win against teams like this anymore but we do have to make a lot less mistakes than we did on Saturday.

Sorry, but I just disagree. I think TV actually is better for the viewing experience to evaluate the game. A lot less distractions. For a lot of the game, he was doing the opposite of throwing guys open. Sure, every QB misses throws, just like every WR drops it every now and then, but not only did he miss a fairly easy touchdown in the end zone, he severely under threw the WR right before that play. If he throws a decent ball there then we walk into the end zone instead of kicking. The defense did their part and carried it tonight, but we needed just a little better play from our QB to this pull it.

Guess what, Brice is the best QB we have had since the goat. He gave his all Saturday night. Live with it and give your all to the Yosef Club.

[PhillyApp1]

Brice is learning what App State Football is.
He will grow every game.
By next month we will see Brice as a real Mountaineer ..... watch

[WASU 93]

agreed. this is DEF the best defense we have ever had. I firmly believe if we had a good QB then we'd easily run our schedule and at least give Cinci a run for their money for that top G5 spot. We have everything but a QB.

You don't think we have a QB?

We have one that plays the position, but he's not good.

I usually read an entire thread before I respond in case someone else has already covered what I was going to say, but this deserved a response regardless of what anyone else said. In the two games that Chase has played, he was done well. The angles on tv must have made it look like something it wasn't but in person Chase did a good job and outplayed King. Yes, he missed a few passes, but every QB misses passes in a game. There were far more dropped passes that should have been caught than missed passes. Chase made good decisions all night and helped put us in a position to win the game on the last possession, it just didn't work out. That defense of Miami was no joke, they had tight coverage the entire night on all our receivers and brought significant pressure on Chase the entire night. Chase wasn't our problem, too many mistakes from a variety of situations was our problem on the night. I said in another thread, we no longer have to play perfect games to win against teams like this anymore but we do have to make a lot less mistakes than we did on Saturday.

Sorry, but I just disagree. I think TV actually is better for the viewing experience to evaluate the game. A lot less distractions. For a lot of the game, he was doing the opposite of throwing guys open. Sure, every QB misses throws, just like every WR drops it every now and then, but not only did he miss a fairly easy touchdown in the end zone, he severely under threw the WR right before that play. If he throws a decent ball there then we walk into the end zone instead of kicking. The defense did their part and carried it tonight, but we needed just a little better play from our QB to this pull it.

I think you can make a fair assessment in person. Part of our passing game Saturday night was playcalling. (And, I am not faulting it, it was likely the right approach). We were set up to get the ball out very quickly. While our O-Line play was good, there were very few clean pockets and not a lot of time for deep drops. Miami blitzed often and was harassing our QB often. Thankfully, we have returned to using our RB’s in the passing game, something we failed to do last year.
We also played a lot of snaps with two tight ends. I remember few plays in the second half with a four receiver set. We also did not have a lot of separation from our receivers and we had some cramping issues down the stretch
We also do not have a running QB this year. Different personnel, different talents.

The only concern I have about our defense is the lack of forced turnovers. We have not forced a turnover on defense this year, only one on special teams.

And, yet we are on par with an upper half ACC opponent, despite the mistakes, non-perfect passing game and without a turnover. Plus, the Miami punter crushed us on field position. That’s a lot of adversity for a near-win

[JMappfan5]

The U's punter killed us. Changes and reduces our playbook when starting from inside the 10yd line vs 25 or 35yd line. Miami's DBs were fast and more physical than I was expecting. It was hard for our WRs to get much separation/timing was off on most patterns. I'm still a believer in our QB and entire Offense. This was a good game for our OLine to gage their progress and identify any weaknesses. Lots of film to review and learn from our mistakes. Now let's destroy ELON!!!

[bigdaddyg]

Some people simply disregard or want to ignore the basic number one reason why some teams beat others- more talent and better athletes. I love App football but I’m realistic. A Miami can trot out more guys who are are bigger, stronger and faster. It’s easy to say what our receiving Corp should do or what our QB should do but in reality options simply aren’t always there against a team with more 4-5 star and more legit pro talent than we have. You can game plan and coach all you want but if you are out-sized and out manned it’s tough. I thought, despite the non-stop size references by the announcers, that we slugged it out pretty evenly with the U. The true differences probably came down to their defensive backs who could limit our big play abilities. Hopefully this Saturday that script will be flipped and we should shred Elon while making it miserable for their offense to move the ball. We beat UNC and USC by making little to no mistakes. The safety and PIC were the difference in the close game.
Game over time to run the table.

[BeauFoster]

I read a lot in the lead up to this game how mad Miami was going to be and how they were going to take out their frustrations from the Alabama game on App and how that would be the difference in the final score. I didn’t see any of that. If anything, our defense was the group playing like they had something to prove. And we sure as hell didn’t lose by 20.

[hapapp]

He was outstanding versus ECU and less so at Miami. That’s a small sample size to declare him an upgrade or a bust. He has a strong arm and has shown the ability to drop the ball in tight spaces but he doesn’t seem to handle pressure as well as some. Going forward I think we will be glad he’s our QB. But, time will tell.

[Black Saturday]

He just faced a good Power 5 defense with likely a many more of those players getting time in the NFL as opposed to any of the G5 we play for the majority of our schedule, he won't see this type of pressure again. He certainly performed better than the SEC South Carolina QB against ECU for a transitive look. An earlier post mentioned 4-5 stars recruiting rating. Brice was a 4 star, which matters. We've never had this type talent play QB or probably any other position in our history. I think he's doing quite well, going toe to toe with the media darling Miami QB. A freak tipped interception or maybe not, if we'd challenged it? We play with our roster, just who is it we have that will perform better?

I thought it probably us in not adjusting with the flow of the game and not giving the majority of series/carries to a hot hand at RB who showed successful power and force against Miami's D.

[Rick83]

Here's an interesting piece on Brice's performance Saturday:

Notable quote:
"According to Pro Football Focus, Miami generated only 11 quarterback pressures on Brice. The previous week against Alabama, UM was able to generate 35 pressures. What was the reason for the big drop off in pressure on the quarterback from week one to week two? App State quarterback Chase Brice deserves a lot of credit for getting the ball out quickly, which neutralized UM’s defensive line from a pass rushing perspective."

I'm guessing that it was our game plan for Brice to get rid of the ball quickly which I'm sure affected the accuracy and timing of some of his throws even though he completed 62% (67% for both games so far). I'd say that's pretty good especially in just his second game with our program.

https://247sports.com/college/miami/Art ... ILrZYfqBsY

[Howard Street Hooligan]

Here's an interesting piece on Brice's performance Saturday:

Notable quote:
"According to Pro Football Focus, Miami generated only 11 quarterback pressures on Brice. The previous week against Alabama, UM was able to generate 35 pressures. What was the reason for the big drop off in pressure on the quarterback from week one to week two? App State quarterback Chase Brice deserves a lot of credit for getting the ball out quickly, which neutralized UM’s defensive line from a pass rushing perspective."

I'm guessing that it was our game plan for Brice to get rid of the ball quickly which I'm sure affected the accuracy and timing of some of his throws even though he completed 62% (67% for both games so far). I'd say that's pretty good especially in just his second game with our program.

https://247sports.com/college/miami/Art ... ILrZYfqBsY

I do think think that could be because of Brice and as well Miami's scheme. I will say, I rewatched the game and he wasn't AS BAD as I lead on, but there were still several throws we just absolutely needed to have so we weren't relying on a 4th quarter drive at the end to win it. We won't play anyone as fast as Miami on that side of the ball again, so we'll see how it ends up.

[mike87]

To be receiving a kickoff down 2 points with 2 minutes on the clock and all your timeouts left against a top 20 P5 is money. I just don't see how we can complain about QB, coaching, blocking or anything. Put that in the prediction thread last week and watch the naysayers chirp. Damn proud and go 'neers.

[Saint3333]

Brice can make any throw any QB App has ever had. His poise and consistency, the jury is still out.

Our WRs were making ridiculous catches in the first half as he passed high and or behind them. In the 4th Brice was dialed in and we had two uncharacteristic drops.