Cam Peoples

[AppStFan1]

The guys that get the reps on Gameday are the guys that the coaches trust to do what they are told to do. Putting him in on third down told the defense what was coming or more to the point, what wasn’t coming.

Not an argument here but a comment that popped in my head based on what you said. Coaches trust based on practice, right? One thing I remember hearing was that Daniel Wilcox was not a great practice player at all but when it was time to play in a game he was a true gamer. I remember people saying that in basketball Mantis was a great practice player but just did not show up in games. I wonder if we have anyone on the football team that coaches have expected way more or way less of based on what they have seen in practice right now?

That’s a fair question but one that only the coaches would know and I doubt that they would answer it.

Everyone wanted to see Kanye on the field early in the season and him not playing was seen as a short sided decision by the coaches. Truth is, he had fumbling issues early on and they weren’t going to put him out there unless necessary. I don’t think he re-entered the game after the fumble against ECU. But to his credit, he worked his ass off in practice on his ball handling and it paid off for him and the team. In short, you play the guys that you trust.

Funny story, I was up in Boone for the football teams golf tournament and was bantering with Haines about a play design that I had come up with to get Kanye out in space. I was curious as to where the flaws in my design were. He liked it and I pitched it to Ponce. He found it intriguing. The next morning, the first person that I saw at the course was Haines and he told me that they were going to install the concept. We will see if they actually do.

A running back that fumbles just won't stay on the field. They got to protect the ball.

I have always thought we should get the running back the ball in the passing game to add another dimension and keep teams from knowing what we are doing when Kanye or any other back is in the game.

Get your athletes in space and get them the ball. Either our RB’s can’t catch or we just don’t care to use them in the passing game. Hopefully we can get them involved a little more.

If the staff does not care to use them in that way I would be curious to know why.

[BambooRdApp]

Not an argument here but a comment that popped in my head based on what you said. Coaches trust based on practice, right? One thing I remember hearing was that Daniel Wilcox was not a great practice player at all but when it was time to play in a game he was a true gamer. I remember people saying that in basketball Mantis was a great practice player but just did not show up in games. I wonder if we have anyone on the football team that coaches have expected way more or way less of based on what they have seen in practice right now?

That’s a fair question but one that only the coaches would know and I doubt that they would answer it.

Everyone wanted to see Kanye on the field early in the season and him not playing was seen as a short sided decision by the coaches. Truth is, he had fumbling issues early on and they weren’t going to put him out there unless necessary. I don’t think he re-entered the game after the fumble against ECU. But to his credit, he worked his ass off in practice on his ball handling and it paid off for him and the team. In short, you play the guys that you trust.

Funny story, I was up in Boone for the football teams golf tournament and was bantering with Haines about a play design that I had come up with to get Kanye out in space. I was curious as to where the flaws in my design were. He liked it and I pitched it to Ponce. He found it intriguing. The next morning, the first person that I saw at the course was Haines and he told me that they were going to install the concept. We will see if they actually do.

A running back that fumbles just won't stay on the field. They got to protect the ball.

I have always thought we should get the running back the ball in the passing game to add another dimension and keep teams from knowing what we are doing when Kanye or any other back is in the game.

Get your athletes in space and get them the ball. Either our RB’s can’t catch or we just don’t care to use them in the passing game. Hopefully we can get them involved a little more.

If the staff does not care to use them in that way I would be curious to know why.

Definitely has not been a priority in the past. Maybe it was related to our overall philosophy for our offense. It seems we have been targeting the TE on more set plays the last 3 years.

[AppStFan1]

That’s a fair question but one that only the coaches would know and I doubt that they would answer it.

Everyone wanted to see Kanye on the field early in the season and him not playing was seen as a short sided decision by the coaches. Truth is, he had fumbling issues early on and they weren’t going to put him out there unless necessary. I don’t think he re-entered the game after the fumble against ECU. But to his credit, he worked his ass off in practice on his ball handling and it paid off for him and the team. In short, you play the guys that you trust.

Funny story, I was up in Boone for the football teams golf tournament and was bantering with Haines about a play design that I had come up with to get Kanye out in space. I was curious as to where the flaws in my design were. He liked it and I pitched it to Ponce. He found it intriguing. The next morning, the first person that I saw at the course was Haines and he told me that they were going to install the concept. We will see if they actually do.

A running back that fumbles just won't stay on the field. They got to protect the ball.

I have always thought we should get the running back the ball in the passing game to add another dimension and keep teams from knowing what we are doing when Kanye or any other back is in the game.

Get your athletes in space and get them the ball. Either our RB’s can’t catch or we just don’t care to use them in the passing game. Hopefully we can get them involved a little more.

If the staff does not care to use them in that way I would be curious to know why.

Definitely has not been a priority in the past. Maybe it was related to our overall philosophy for our offense. It seems we have been targeting the TE on more set plays the last 3 years.

I like using the tight end for sure but have always thought we should do more with the running back in the passing game. I would be curious to hear their reasoning why.

[AppSt94]

A running back that fumbles just won't stay on the field. They got to protect the ball.

I have always thought we should get the running back the ball in the passing game to add another dimension and keep teams from knowing what we are doing when Kanye or any other back is in the game.

Get your athletes in space and get them the ball. Either our RB’s can’t catch or we just don’t care to use them in the passing game. Hopefully we can get them involved a little more.

If the staff does not care to use them in that way I would be curious to know why.

Definitely has not been a priority in the past. Maybe it was related to our overall philosophy for our offense. It seems we have been targeting the TE on more set plays the last 3 years.

I like using the tight end for sure but have always thought we should do more with the running back in the passing game. I would be curious to hear their reasoning why.

It’s likely a combination of things. Down and distance situations, player abilities, what the defensive looks that are given.

[AppStFan1]

Get your athletes in space and get them the ball. Either our RB’s can’t catch or we just don’t care to use them in the passing game. Hopefully we can get them involved a little more.

If the staff does not care to use them in that way I would be curious to know why.

Definitely has not been a priority in the past. Maybe it was related to our overall philosophy for our offense. It seems we have been targeting the TE on more set plays the last 3 years.

I like using the tight end for sure but have always thought we should do more with the running back in the passing game. I would be curious to hear their reasoning why.

It’s likely a combination of things. Down and distance situations, player abilities, what the defensive looks that are given.

Those sound like good reasons but I think it has more to do with philosophy than anything. If the coaches wanted to do it they would recruit players with those abilities and every school has those situations such as defensive looks or down and distance where it can be used at some point in a season.

[Bigdaddyg1]

I’ve temporarily given up on the Panthers actually winning (anything of significance) for a while. In the interim if they could at least be entertaining and fun to watch, win or lose I’d take it. Like most everyone else I want App to win but personally I want to see some pizzazz. Those razzle dazzle cool trick plays we used to try were memorable. The double pass for the TD in the bowl game, the fake FG for the TD years ago. That 3rd quarter against El CID a few years ago was brutal. Y’all remember them burning like 12:00 off the clock while down several scores. Worst quarter of football I can recall.

[AppSt94]

If the staff does not care to use them in that way I would be curious to know why.

Definitely has not been a priority in the past. Maybe it was related to our overall philosophy for our offense. It seems we have been targeting the TE on more set plays the last 3 years.

I like using the tight end for sure but have always thought we should do more with the running back in the passing game. I would be curious to hear their reasoning why.

It’s likely a combination of things. Down and distance situations, player abilities, what the defensive looks that are given.

Those sound like good reasons but I think it has more to do with philosophy than anything. If the coaches wanted to do it they would recruit players with those abilities and every school has those situations such as defensive looks or down and distance where it can be used at some point in a season.

Could be but I don’t know many OCs that would leave that option out of the playbook. You always have to have something for the defense that they haven’t prepared for.

[704App]

I've noticed a lot of times on passes to the TE, the TE will motion. I'm wondering if the play call is if a certain defender does X on the motion, it's a TE screen, if that player does Y, it's a RB screen.

And that's why it's always open? Maybe the teams would rather the TE get the ball in space than a RB so they always leverage to the RB?

[AppStFan1]

Definitely has not been a priority in the past. Maybe it was related to our overall philosophy for our offense. It seems we have been targeting the TE on more set plays the last 3 years.

I like using the tight end for sure but have always thought we should do more with the running back in the passing game. I would be curious to hear their reasoning why.

It’s likely a combination of things. Down and distance situations, player abilities, what the defensive looks that are given.

Those sound like good reasons but I think it has more to do with philosophy than anything. If the coaches wanted to do it they would recruit players with those abilities and every school has those situations such as defensive looks or down and distance where it can be used at some point in a season.

Could be but I don’t know many OCs that would leave that option out of the playbook. You always have to have something for the defense that they haven’t prepared for.

That is true but I don't think holding something back the defense has not prepared for is what you call it when it is never ever used. LOL. It is just not having it in your arsenal at all. If we are putting up 35+ per game and go 10-2 or 11-1 without it I won't complain but like someone said with some pizzaz I would like to see some of that. I feel like some well timed throws to a running back out of the backfield on a screen or having them go out for a pass here and there can keep defenses guessing. Even if we have them go go in motion and line up in the slot to force a defense to bring one less blitzer on passing situations.

[AppStFan1]

I've noticed a lot of times on passes to the TE, the TE will motion. I'm wondering if the play call is if a certain defender does X on the motion, it's a TE screen, if that player does Y, it's a RB screen.

And that's why it's always open? Maybe the teams would rather the TE get the ball in space than a RB so they always leverage to the RB?

I have thought that is the case sometimes but if you got a fast TE and he burns the defense you would think they would go after the TE and it would open up the RB at some point. If your TE is not burning them then I would say it won't for sure.

[AppSt94]

I like using the tight end for sure but have always thought we should do more with the running back in the passing game. I would be curious to hear their reasoning why.

It’s likely a combination of things. Down and distance situations, player abilities, what the defensive looks that are given.

Those sound like good reasons but I think it has more to do with philosophy than anything. If the coaches wanted to do it they would recruit players with those abilities and every school has those situations such as defensive looks or down and distance where it can be used at some point in a season.

Could be but I don’t know many OCs that would leave that option out of the playbook. You always have to have something for the defense that they haven’t prepared for.

That is true but I don't think holding something back the defense has not prepared for is what you call it when it is never ever used. LOL. It is just not having it in your arsenal at all. If we are putting up 35+ per game and go 10-2 or 11-1 without it I won't complain but like someone said with some pizzaz I would like to see some of that. I feel like some well timed throws to a running back out of the backfield on a screen or having them go out for a pass here and there can keep defenses guessing. Even if we have them go go in motion and line up in the slot to force a defense to bring one less blitzer on passing situations.

I will lean to the reason that we don’t utilize it is because we don’t have anyone that they feel comfortable with making the catch to make them more than a checkdown option.

A quick look through the last few years, it looks like Nate was our primary receiver out of the backfield. When he was hurt last year, Kanye picked up the slack. But we seem to only average about 1-2 passes to backs per game. So is it a scheme thing or personnel?

[goapps93]

It’s not like we never throw to a RB. Kanye had 14 catches for 113 yards, Nate 16 for 86, and Anderson 5 for 35. We had 300 catches for 3,830 yards. There’s only one ball. Maybe we could target the backs more but we do throw to them. I don’t break down enough film to really know. Most of this discussion is anecdotal and my recollection of game action is poor at best.

[AppSt94]

It’s not like we never throw to a RB. Kanye had 14 catches for 113 yards, Nate 16 for 86, and Anderson 5 for 35. We had 300 catches for 3,830 yards. There’s only one ball. Maybe we could target the backs more but we do throw to them. I don’t break down enough film to really know. Most of this discussion is anecdotal and my recollection of game action is poor at best.

I think that you are correct. We have been blessed beyond measure with talent at the wideout and TE positions for years and having three QBs that not only wanted to, but could force the ball downfield.

[ASUFan4863]

Kanye’s stats are right in line with our typical lead back over the last decade when you consider he didn’t play much in a 1/3 of the games.

Darrynton Evans had 21 for 198 in 2019.
Jalen Moore had 12 for 163 in 2017.
Marcus Cox had 18 for 160 in 2015 and 16 for 180 in 2014.

Cox also had the monster season as a freshman with 43 catches for 559 yards in 2013 but that certainly seems like an anomaly.

I can’t speak to what exactly was different in Cox’s freshman season but it just seems like our scheme does not feature a pass catching RB even though we have capable guys. I wish it would honestly given our stable of backs. I think there is a lot of creativity and new schemes that could be added by using multiple RBs but our scheme has been successful and speaks for itself.

[311neers]

Kanye’s stats are right in line with our typical lead back over the last decade when you consider he didn’t play much in a 1/3 of the games.

Darrynton Evans had 21 for 198 in 2019.
Jalen Moore had 12 for 163 in 2017.
Marcus Cox had 18 for 160 in 2015 and 16 for 180 in 2014.

Cox also had the monster season as a freshman with 43 catches for 559 yards in 2013 but that certainly seems like an anomaly.

I can’t speak to what exactly was different in Cox’s freshman season but it just seems like our scheme does not feature a pass catching RB even though we have capable guys. I wish it would honestly given our stable of backs. I think there is a lot of creativity and new schemes that could be added by using multiple RBs but our scheme has been successful and speaks for itself.

Those guys were way too good in space to only average 1-1.5 catches per game. I know there are a lot of mouths for feed but a lot of teams are utilizing RB wheel routes now to get mismatches on LB’s or texas in’s/tunnel screens. WR or TE clears out safety on a seam and RB sneaks in behind for a wheel or a seam on an LB. Would love to see us utilize this if our RB’s are halfway athletic enough to catch a ball. Thought Haywood can be that guy to an extent.

[ASUFan4863]

Kanye’s stats are right in line with our typical lead back over the last decade when you consider he didn’t play much in a 1/3 of the games.

Darrynton Evans had 21 for 198 in 2019.
Jalen Moore had 12 for 163 in 2017.
Marcus Cox had 18 for 160 in 2015 and 16 for 180 in 2014.

Cox also had the monster season as a freshman with 43 catches for 559 yards in 2013 but that certainly seems like an anomaly.

I can’t speak to what exactly was different in Cox’s freshman season but it just seems like our scheme does not feature a pass catching RB even though we have capable guys. I wish it would honestly given our stable of backs. I think there is a lot of creativity and new schemes that could be added by using multiple RBs but our scheme has been successful and speaks for itself.

Those guys were way too good in space to only average 1-1.5 catches per game. I know there are a lot of mouths for feed but a lot of teams are utilizing RB wheel routes now to get mismatches on LB’s or texas in’s/tunnel screens. WR or TE clears out safety on a seam and RB sneaks in behind for a wheel or a seam on an LB. Would love to see us utilize this if our RB’s are halfway athletic enough to catch a ball. Thought Haywood can be that guy to an extent.

I thought he would be as well. I get the mouths to feed point but a RB should be an easy mouth to feed through the passing game.

[Bootsy]

For my part, I want our TE’s to keep the Henry Pearson vibe going in 2024.

That kid was flat out NASTY when he had the ball. What fun it was watching Pearson make safeties & DB’s suffer as they tried to bring him down.

[AppStFan1]

For my part, I want our TE’s to keep the Henry Pearson vibe going in 2024.

That kid was flat out NASTY when he had the ball. What fun it was watching Pearson make safeties & DB’s suffer as they tried to bring him down.

Agreed. The type of year he had I knew he would get NFL buzz if he tested well at pro day. That is the reason why I mentioned he was the real riser when many thought Anderson Hardy was. Pearson played like a NFL player his last year at App and that is the type of play we need from the tight end position!

[311neers]

Kanye’s stats are right in line with our typical lead back over the last decade when you consider he didn’t play much in a 1/3 of the games.

Darrynton Evans had 21 for 198 in 2019.
Jalen Moore had 12 for 163 in 2017.
Marcus Cox had 18 for 160 in 2015 and 16 for 180 in 2014.

Cox also had the monster season as a freshman with 43 catches for 559 yards in 2013 but that certainly seems like an anomaly.

I can’t speak to what exactly was different in Cox’s freshman season but it just seems like our scheme does not feature a pass catching RB even though we have capable guys. I wish it would honestly given our stable of backs. I think there is a lot of creativity and new schemes that could be added by using multiple RBs but our scheme has been successful and speaks for itself.

Those guys were way too good in space to only average 1-1.5 catches per game. I know there are a lot of mouths for feed but a lot of teams are utilizing RB wheel routes now to get mismatches on LB’s or texas in’s/tunnel screens. WR or TE clears out safety on a seam and RB sneaks in behind for a wheel or a seam on an LB. Would love to see us utilize this if our RB’s are halfway athletic enough to catch a ball. Thought Haywood can be that guy to an extent.

I thought he would be as well. I get the mouths to feed point but a RB should be an easy mouth to feed through the passing game.

This holds our RB’s back in the draft process IMO. NFL wants RB’s that can catch.

[AppStFan1]

Kanye’s stats are right in line with our typical lead back over the last decade when you consider he didn’t play much in a 1/3 of the games.

Darrynton Evans had 21 for 198 in 2019.
Jalen Moore had 12 for 163 in 2017.
Marcus Cox had 18 for 160 in 2015 and 16 for 180 in 2014.

Cox also had the monster season as a freshman with 43 catches for 559 yards in 2013 but that certainly seems like an anomaly.

I can’t speak to what exactly was different in Cox’s freshman season but it just seems like our scheme does not feature a pass catching RB even though we have capable guys. I wish it would honestly given our stable of backs. I think there is a lot of creativity and new schemes that could be added by using multiple RBs but our scheme has been successful and speaks for itself.

Those guys were way too good in space to only average 1-1.5 catches per game. I know there are a lot of mouths for feed but a lot of teams are utilizing RB wheel routes now to get mismatches on LB’s or texas in’s/tunnel screens. WR or TE clears out safety on a seam and RB sneaks in behind for a wheel or a seam on an LB. Would love to see us utilize this if our RB’s are halfway athletic enough to catch a ball. Thought Haywood can be that guy to an extent.

I thought he would be as well. I get the mouths to feed point but a RB should be an easy mouth to feed through the passing game.

This holds our RB’s back in the draft process IMO. NFL wants RB’s that can catch.

The goal for our coaches should be to win games but if you got a NFL prospect and don't let scouts see them do it in games it can hurt. However, what you don't see is that scouts can request to see things at practice, an all-star game, NFL Combine, and pro day. At least in Cam's case the fact he was not used in the passing game was not the reason he was not drafted or kept on the team. Even if he had impressed in those other venues I still don't think he would have been drafted. I said when he left the team late in the year that it was the final nail in the coffin of him having a shot to get drafted.