Thoughts on the season/Team?

[AppStFan1]

Accountability in the NIL era is interesting. If you don’t perform (in classroom or on field) you might lose out on some money. Not saying this will happen at App, and it probably wont, but I heard Kirby mentioning this yesterday at SEC media days… His players are having off the field issues and he’s tired of it. So, if the kids want their NIL money, they’ve got to quit getting in trouble. He mentioned holding some of those dollars back (or some form of not getting paid) until they perform or quit getting in trouble (accountability).It’s all fluid and each situation is different.

But, the athletic department isn't supposed to have any control/influence over the money so how can Kirby do that?

I guess he can say going forward the only way a player can get a NIL deal is if that's in the contract, but he can't technically do anything with existing contracts/amounts, right? That has to legally be between the collective/company and the player only, right?

I believe so but any collective who does not put stipulations on the money is being naive and dumb. People tend to get smarter when their actions begin to hurt their wallets. And those who still don't learn just won't make nearly as much money. lol

[bcoach]

Accountability in the NIL era is interesting. If you don’t perform (in classroom or on field) you might lose out on some money. Not saying this will happen at App, and it probably wont, but I heard Kirby mentioning this yesterday at SEC media days… His players are having off the field issues and he’s tired of it. So, if the kids want their NIL money, they’ve got to quit getting in trouble. He mentioned holding some of those dollars back (or some form of not getting paid) until they perform or quit getting in trouble (accountability).It’s all fluid and each situation is different.

But, the athletic department isn't supposed to have any control/influence over the money so how can Kirby do that?

I guess he can say going forward the only way a player can get a NIL deal is if that's in the contract, but he can't technically do anything with existing contracts/amounts, right? That has to legally be between the collective/company and the player only, right?

Kirby can do that because he DOES have influence BIG influence where the money goes. Thinking the system is anything but booster dollars is just not realistic. Collectives don't recruit coaches do. Players are in coaches offices every day asking for money.

[appstatemike]

I haven’t seen any disrespect towards Clark. I haven’t seen anyone rooting against his success. We all want him to succeed. No one has questioned Clark’s effort or enthusiasm. He clearly loves the program and wants to succeed more than anyone. My goodness can no one handle a little criticism nowadays?? We just want to see a little more

There have been several on here that have said we should win conference championship every year. That is the expectation. That is unreasonable and not criticism. Wanting to see a little more is desirable. Requiring perfection every year is disrespectful -- whether intent or not.

Being in contention throughout the season is reasonable. And, outside one one year, that's been the case. He's been in the championship on 2 of his 4 seasons -- and one season didn't even have a game. So, making the championship game in 66% of the opportunities (or 50% if you count 2020 season since there was a game cancelled before Coastal faked COVID so they didn't have to play the game) is pretty damn successful.

I don't get the Clark hate. Any other fan base outside of the blue bloods would be clamoring to have the success Clark has had here.

Of course every App fan wants Clark to have success because that means App is having success. But, it's the same people that wanted Satterfield gone too that are the most vocal. And if this season is as successful as I think it can be, they'll be the same ones claiming Clark is the goat and they never doubted him.

I guess that's what happens with successful programs though. You'll always have the fans that aren't happy no matter what. Unfortunately, those are also the most vocal.

Well last year we made the championship because JMU wasn’t allowed to be in it. So 1/4 years. Not great. Our record against teams with winning records (there’s bad sun belt teams with winning records too) is WELL under .500 under Clark (1-4 last year). We have a losing record on the road under Clark. So you tell me what’s so crazy about questioning him with all those facts? I want him to be coaching this year, continuity is good especially in this new football climate. But those facts are BAD, and his seat should be hot. I think we’ll be very good this year btw, but wanting more from him isn’t some crazy thing.

[AppStFan1]

I haven’t seen any disrespect towards Clark. I haven’t seen anyone rooting against his success. We all want him to succeed. No one has questioned Clark’s effort or enthusiasm. He clearly loves the program and wants to succeed more than anyone. My goodness can no one handle a little criticism nowadays?? We just want to see a little more

There have been several on here that have said we should win conference championship every year. That is the expectation. That is unreasonable and not criticism. Wanting to see a little more is desirable. Requiring perfection every year is disrespectful -- whether intent or not.

Being in contention throughout the season is reasonable. And, outside one one year, that's been the case. He's been in the championship on 2 of his 4 seasons -- and one season didn't even have a game. So, making the championship game in 66% of the opportunities (or 50% if you count 2020 season since there was a game cancelled before Coastal faked COVID so they didn't have to play the game) is pretty damn successful.

I don't get the Clark hate. Any other fan base outside of the blue bloods would be clamoring to have the success Clark has had here.

Of course every App fan wants Clark to have success because that means App is having success. But, it's the same people that wanted Satterfield gone too that are the most vocal. And if this season is as successful as I think it can be, they'll be the same ones claiming Clark is the goat and they never doubted him.

I guess that's what happens with successful programs though. You'll always have the fans that aren't happy no matter what. Unfortunately, those are also the most vocal.

Well last year we made the championship because JMU wasn’t allowed to be in it. So 1/4 years. Not great. Our record against teams with winning records (there’s bad sun belt teams with winning records too) is WELL under .500 under Clark (1-4 last year). We have a losing record on the road under Clark. So you tell me what’s so crazy about questioning him with all those facts? I want him to be coaching this year, continuity is good especially in this new football climate. But those facts are BAD, and his seat should be hot. I think we’ll be very good this year btw, but wanting more from him isn’t some crazy thing.

Those are good points but both of you have made good points. I don't think his seat should be hot after the ending of last year though. I think this team can be really good so if we do go 7-5 or worse then I would say the seat has to be hot. I have noticed we have not extended or given him a raise though so I think Gillin views this year the same way I do. The seat is not hot but if we start off like we did last year it will get hot and it will be too hot to stick around if we have a losing season or fall way below the expectation. My hope is that we go 12-2 or better and Shawn is given an extension and raise. If we fail to even come close to expectations then I will completely understand any changes that Gillin makes. I think we are all pulling for Clark and hopeful that this year is exactly what we has been expected behind closed doors.

[Seattleapp]

I haven’t seen any disrespect towards Clark. I haven’t seen anyone rooting against his success. We all want him to succeed. No one has questioned Clark’s effort or enthusiasm. He clearly loves the program and wants to succeed more than anyone. My goodness can no one handle a little criticism nowadays?? We just want to see a little more

There have been several on here that have said we should win conference championship every year. That is the expectation. That is unreasonable and not criticism. Wanting to see a little more is desirable. Requiring perfection every year is disrespectful -- whether intent or not.

Being in contention throughout the season is reasonable. And, outside one one year, that's been the case. He's been in the championship on 2 of his 4 seasons -- and one season didn't even have a game. So, making the championship game in 66% of the opportunities (or 50% if you count 2020 season since there was a game cancelled before Coastal faked COVID so they didn't have to play the game) is pretty damn successful.

I don't get the Clark hate. Any other fan base outside of the blue bloods would be clamoring to have the success Clark has had here.

Of course every App fan wants Clark to have success because that means App is having success. But, it's the same people that wanted Satterfield gone too that are the most vocal. And if this season is as successful as I think it can be, they'll be the same ones claiming Clark is the goat and they never doubted him.

I guess that's what happens with successful programs though. You'll always have the fans that aren't happy no matter what. Unfortunately, those are also the most vocal.

Well last year we made the championship because JMU wasn’t allowed to be in it. So 1/4 years. Not great. Our record against teams with winning records (there’s bad sun belt teams with winning records too) is WELL under .500 under Clark (1-4 last year). We have a losing record on the road under Clark. So you tell me what’s so crazy about questioning him with all those facts? I want him to be coaching this year, continuity is good especially in this new football climate. But those facts are BAD, and his seat should be hot. I think we’ll be very good this year btw, but wanting more from him isn’t some crazy thing.

No it is crazy and “fans” like you take literally all the fun out of college sports. Sure we beat James Madison and Clark rallied the team when everyone thought we were dead in the water and I’m sure you cheered all those wins. But you are riddled with insecurity so you’re already hedging your bets for the upcoming season IN JULY. Ridiculous
You want him coaching as long as he doesn’t lose again and ruin your Sunday.

[PhillyApp1]

I haven’t seen any disrespect towards Clark. I haven’t seen anyone rooting against his success. We all want him to succeed. No one has questioned Clark’s effort or enthusiasm. He clearly loves the program and wants to succeed more than anyone. My goodness can no one handle a little criticism nowadays?? We just want to see a little more

There have been several on here that have said we should win conference championship every year. That is the expectation. That is unreasonable and not criticism. Wanting to see a little more is desirable. Requiring perfection every year is disrespectful -- whether intent or not.

Being in contention throughout the season is reasonable. And, outside one one year, that's been the case. He's been in the championship on 2 of his 4 seasons -- and one season didn't even have a game. So, making the championship game in 66% of the opportunities (or 50% if you count 2020 season since there was a game cancelled before Coastal faked COVID so they didn't have to play the game) is pretty damn successful.

I don't get the Clark hate. Any other fan base outside of the blue bloods would be clamoring to have the success Clark has had here.

Of course every App fan wants Clark to have success because that means App is having success. But, it's the same people that wanted Satterfield gone too that are the most vocal. And if this season is as successful as I think it can be, they'll be the same ones claiming Clark is the goat and they never doubted him.

I guess that's what happens with successful programs though. You'll always have the fans that aren't happy no matter what. Unfortunately, those are also the most vocal.

Well last year we made the championship because JMU wasn’t allowed to be in it. So 1/4 years. Not great. Our record against teams with winning records (there’s bad sun belt teams with winning records too) is WELL under .500 under Clark (1-4 last year). We have a losing record on the road under Clark. So you tell me what’s so crazy about questioning him with all those facts? I want him to be coaching this year, continuity is good especially in this new football climate. But those facts are BAD, and his seat should be hot. I think we’ll be very good this year btw, but wanting more from him isn’t some crazy thing.

Those are good points but both of you have made good points. I don't think his seat should be hot after the ending of last year though. I think this team can be really good so if we do go 7-5 or worse then I would say the seat has to be hot. I have noticed we have not extended or given him a raise though so I think Gillin views this year the same way I do. The seat is not hot but if we start off like we did last year it will get hot and it will be too hot to stick around if we have a losing season or fall way below the expectation. My hope is that we go 12-2 or better and Shawn is given an extension and raise. If we fail to even come close to expectations then I will completely understand any changes that Gillin makes. I think we are all pulling for Clark and hopeful that this year is exactly what we has been expected behind closed doors.

You sir, are a sane human being.

Now, let's Go 1-0....... 12 times

[GSUwasGump’sFallbackSchool]

I haven’t seen any disrespect towards Clark. I haven’t seen anyone rooting against his success. We all want him to succeed. No one has questioned Clark’s effort or enthusiasm. He clearly loves the program and wants to succeed more than anyone. My goodness can no one handle a little criticism nowadays?? We just want to see a little more

There have been several on here that have said we should win conference championship every year. That is the expectation. That is unreasonable and not criticism. Wanting to see a little more is desirable. Requiring perfection every year is disrespectful -- whether intent or not.

Being in contention throughout the season is reasonable. And, outside one one year, that's been the case. He's been in the championship on 2 of his 4 seasons -- and one season didn't even have a game. So, making the championship game in 66% of the opportunities (or 50% if you count 2020 season since there was a game cancelled before Coastal faked COVID so they didn't have to play the game) is pretty damn successful.

I don't get the Clark hate. Any other fan base outside of the blue bloods would be clamoring to have the success Clark has had here.

Of course every App fan wants Clark to have success because that means App is having success. But, it's the same people that wanted Satterfield gone too that are the most vocal. And if this season is as successful as I think it can be, they'll be the same ones claiming Clark is the goat and they never doubted him.

I guess that's what happens with successful programs though. You'll always have the fans that aren't happy no matter what. Unfortunately, those are also the most vocal.

Well last year we made the championship because JMU wasn’t allowed to be in it. So 1/4 years. Not great. Our record against teams with winning records (there’s bad sun belt teams with winning records too) is WELL under .500 under Clark (1-4 last year). We have a losing record on the road under Clark. So you tell me what’s so crazy about questioning him with all those facts? I want him to be coaching this year, continuity is good especially in this new football climate. But those facts are BAD, and his seat should be hot. I think we’ll be very good this year btw, but wanting more from him isn’t some crazy thing.

Those are good points but both of you have made good points. I don't think his seat should be hot after the ending of last year though. I think this team can be really good so if we do go 7-5 or worse then I would say the seat has to be hot. I have noticed we have not extended or given him a raise though so I think Gillin views this year the same way I do. The seat is not hot but if we start off like we did last year it will get hot and it will be too hot to stick around if we have a losing season or fall way below the expectation. My hope is that we go 12-2 or better and Shawn is given an extension and raise. If we fail to even come close to expectations then I will completely understand any changes that Gillin makes. I think we are all pulling for Clark and hopeful that this year is exactly what we has been expected behind closed doors.

You sir, are a sane human being.

Now, let's Go 1-0....... 12 times

*16 times!

[AppSt94]

Can’t win them all if you don’t win the first one.

[scatman77]

Can’t win them all if you don’t win the first one.

That has been a concern of mine for many weeks. I see so many posts about Clemson, tickets, parking, and all that jazz but no one seems to remember that ETSU is our first priority.

[Saint3333]

ETSU lost to VMI in November and followed that up with a 58-7 loss versus WCU.

I mean this isn't GWebb or some other FCS powerhouse.

This one is going to get ugly early.

[Stonewall]

I fully support our coaches win , or tie.

[appstatemike]

I haven’t seen any disrespect towards Clark. I haven’t seen anyone rooting against his success. We all want him to succeed. No one has questioned Clark’s effort or enthusiasm. He clearly loves the program and wants to succeed more than anyone. My goodness can no one handle a little criticism nowadays?? We just want to see a little more

There have been several on here that have said we should win conference championship every year. That is the expectation. That is unreasonable and not criticism. Wanting to see a little more is desirable. Requiring perfection every year is disrespectful -- whether intent or not.

Being in contention throughout the season is reasonable. And, outside one one year, that's been the case. He's been in the championship on 2 of his 4 seasons -- and one season didn't even have a game. So, making the championship game in 66% of the opportunities (or 50% if you count 2020 season since there was a game cancelled before Coastal faked COVID so they didn't have to play the game) is pretty damn successful.

I don't get the Clark hate. Any other fan base outside of the blue bloods would be clamoring to have the success Clark has had here.

Of course every App fan wants Clark to have success because that means App is having success. But, it's the same people that wanted Satterfield gone too that are the most vocal. And if this season is as successful as I think it can be, they'll be the same ones claiming Clark is the goat and they never doubted him.

I guess that's what happens with successful programs though. You'll always have the fans that aren't happy no matter what. Unfortunately, those are also the most vocal.

Well last year we made the championship because JMU wasn’t allowed to be in it. So 1/4 years. Not great. Our record against teams with winning records (there’s bad sun belt teams with winning records too) is WELL under .500 under Clark (1-4 last year). We have a losing record on the road under Clark. So you tell me what’s so crazy about questioning him with all those facts? I want him to be coaching this year, continuity is good especially in this new football climate. But those facts are BAD, and his seat should be hot. I think we’ll be very good this year btw, but wanting more from him isn’t some crazy thing.

No it is crazy and “fans” like you take literally all the fun out of college sports. Sure we beat James Madison and Clark rallied the team when everyone thought we were dead in the water and I’m sure you cheered all those wins. But you are riddled with insecurity so you’re already hedging your bets for the upcoming season IN JULY. Ridiculous
You want him coaching as long as he doesn’t lose again and ruin your Sunday.

My Sundays are already ruined, I’m a Panthers fan lol

[appgrad95&97]

I have enjoyed this conversation and enjoyed staying out of it.

[Bootsy]

I have enjoyed this conversation and enjoyed staying out of it.

I’ll second that…on both counts.

[GreatAppSt]

We win, they lose.

[Black Saturday]

ETSU lost to VMI in November and followed that up with a 58-7 loss versus WCU.

I mean this isn't GWebb or some other FCS powerhouse.

This one is going to get ugly early.

APP will win by many as Clark want to.

[BTK2000]

ETSU lost to VMI in November and followed that up with a 58-7 loss versus WCU.

I mean this isn't GWebb or some other FCS powerhouse.

This one is going to get ugly early.

APP will win by many as Clark want to.

We know he won’t run the score up. My prediction is 2 scores at halftime

[AppSt94]

ETSU lost to VMI in November and followed that up with a 58-7 loss versus WCU.

I mean this isn't GWebb or some other FCS powerhouse.

This one is going to get ugly early.

APP will win by many as Clark want to.

We know he won’t run the score up. My prediction is 2 scores at halftime

And the natives will get restless.

[BambooRdApp]

I would rather see a significant number of players see live action as compared to running up the score if I had to choose...but would take both.

[AppSt94]

I would rather see a significant number of players see live action as compared to running up the score if I had to choose...mbit would take both.

I imagine that the train of thought is to get the 1st and 2nd teamers as many live reps as we can. Particularly the top 8 OL in different combinations to see how they work together.