Sloan

[appstatealum]

How about position coaches? I didn’t see anything positive tonight. Next week is huge.

Positives:

Out kick coverage was solid.

Castle is RB1.

We have good WRs if Joey has time.

Harrington played well and we made solid open field tackles on the edges.

Please don’t take this the wrong way. I love Castle, kid as obviously worked his butt off but I’m not sure Castle being RB1 is a good thing for us. Put him beside say, Evans, and I’ll hope you understand what I’m saying. Again, great young man, love his effort and he certainly isn’t without talent. He was our only bright spot last night.

Anderson is sneaky good. He isn't built of the more popular mold today, but he has many of the tools you want a primary back to have. If I'm Clark, I am handing the keys to Castle to let him establish the run this season and use the other 2 as change of pace or match up dependent guys.

[appstatealum]

In summation it's not our coaching - Total talent disparity - with their coach and his umpteen future NFLers starting and in the depth charts that had sand kicked in their faces by Georgia last Saturday, and the national sports media and their fanbase all week. How many P4 and G5 would have taken the same ass whipping we got?

Getting talent is a huge part of coaching. I’m not saying we will ever have “Clemson” talent but we need to do much better.

This. Die hard Clark supporters are too quick to shift blame elsewhere. College coaches hold the keys and drive the car. They recruit the players, they build the schemes, they staff their coaches. There is no GM. College coaching encompasses all of it. I love Clark as a man but I get tired of seeing the same issues year after year. I think this new landscape is too much for him. But I was OK running things back with Joey this year and seeing how it goes and there are still many games ahead.

[WASU 93]

In summation it's not our coaching - Total talent disparity - with their coach and his umpteen future NFLers starting and in the depth charts that had sand kicked in their faces by Georgia last Saturday, and the national sports media and their fanbase all week. How many P4 and G5 would have taken the same ass whipping we got?

Getting talent is a huge part of coaching. I’m not saying we will ever have “Clemson” talent but we need to do much better.

This goes back to a post I made in another thread, but where’s the money going to come from to get that talent? Because that’s the main driver these days - money. We have to pay that talent, and we don’t have the money for it.

So what are universities like App who have so much of their identity wrapped up in football going to do? If the p4 programs are that much better than us then I never want to play another P4 opponent. Getting beat that bad is awful for the program and those young men on our team. Do we pull the G5 away from the P4 and just play within our “league” ? Do we go back to FCS? I know it was one game but if this is what the future looks like I’m not sure I want any part of it. I’m not sure what G5 football looks like without the P4 games.

Grouping last night's Clemson on a level with all P4 programs isn't the right analysis. Wake, Cal, Virginia, Duke, Auburn, Northwestern, etc are not at that level (and may be equals in many aspects, NIL aside). A ranked State team lost by 41 last night. Colorado would have had the same result that we had last night. Clemson played mistake free football. We played sub-par. If that happens, then you'll get the result you had last night.
On the flip side, Notre Dame (5th ranked and supposedly at Clemson's talent level) lost to a MAC team with an NIL obtained starting QB. So, it's not just talent level. It's execution.
If you go back and watch Klubnik's TD passes (why would you want to?) there is no pass rush and he's throwing from a perfect pocket. Out secondary is out of position or jumping on the wrong receiver and you see the results. Back to the topic, it's Sloan's job to create some type of scheme/execution that takes away the offense's primary options and puts them in crisis mode. We allowed Clemson to execute at a very high level and they didn't make mistakes with their opportunity to do so.

And for any G5 success in the playoffs as a lower seed.......

[311neers]

https://x.com/ssn_clemson/status/183275 ... 3hJ5cku44g

We looked slow Live, but somehow even slower on TV. I wouldn’t want to be in our film room this week.

[WASU 93]

How about position coaches? I didn’t see anything positive tonight. Next week is huge.

Positives:

Out kick coverage was solid.

Castle is RB1.

We have good WRs if Joey has time.

Harrington played well and we made solid open field tackles on the edges.

Please don’t take this the wrong way. I love Castle, kid as obviously worked his butt off but I’m not sure Castle being RB1 is a good thing for us. Put him beside say, Evans, and I’ll hope you understand what I’m saying. Again, great young man, love his effort and he certainly isn’t without talent. He was our only bright spot last night.

Anderson is sneaky good. He isn't built of the more popular mold today, but he has many of the tools you want a primary back to have. If I'm Clark, I am handing the keys to Castle to let him establish the run this season and use the other 2 as change of pace or match up dependent guys.

100% agree. We also ran some two back sets in the first quarter against ETSU. I understand spread principles, but I think running 1/3 of our plays with a two-back set with Castle and Roberts could really open up the running game (and also create some big plays for Kanye in the passing game)

[Black Saturday]

Have we stopped anyone? What an embarrassment Clemson putting their back ups in 2:00 into the second half.

They played 66 different players in the first quarter per the TV crew. Their back ups were being mixed in early and their back ups backs ups played most of the second half.
I hope last night was an aberration but I fear it wasn't. It also makes me wonder Just how scary is Georgia and could they beat the Panthers.

Georgia would get smoked by the Panthers. Don't be one of those guys (I'm pretty sure you are joking).

fwiw, a few years ago it was said Alabama, when they were at their zenith would be a 3 TD underdog to the worst NFL team at that time and if i recall correctly it was the Bengals.

[Black Saturday]

In summation it's not our coaching - Total talent disparity - with their coach and his umpteen future NFLers starting and in the depth charts that had sand kicked in their faces by Georgia last Saturday, and the national sports media and their fanbase all week. How many P4 and G5 would have taken the same ass whipping we got?

Getting talent is a huge part of coaching. I’m not saying we will ever have “Clemson” talent but we need to do much better.

This goes back to a post I made in another thread, but where’s the money going to come from to get that talent? Because that’s the main driver these days - money. We have to pay that talent, and we don’t have the money for it.

So what are universities like App who have so much of their identity wrapped up in football going to do? If the p4 programs are that much better than us then I never want to play another P4 opponent. Getting beat that bad is awful for the program and those young men on our team. Do we pull the G5 away from the P4 and just play within our “league” ? Do we go back to FCS? I know it was one game but if this is what the future looks like I’m not sure I want any part of it. I’m not sure what G5 football looks like without the P4 games.

Grouping last night's Clemson on a level with all P4 programs isn't the right analysis. Wake, Cal, Virginia, Duke, Auburn, Northwestern, etc are not at that level (and may be equals in many aspects, NIL aside). A ranked State team lost by 41 last night. Colorado would have had the same result that we had last night. Clemson played mistake free football. We played sub-par. If that happens, then you'll get the result you had last night.
On the flip side, Notre Dame (5th ranked and supposedly at Clemson's talent level) lost to a MAC team with an NIL obtained starting QB. So, it's not just talent level. It's execution.
If you go back and watch Klubnik's TD passes (why would you want to?) there is no pass rush and he's throwing from a perfect pocket. Out secondary is out of position or jumping on the wrong receiver and you see the results. Back to the topic, it's Sloan's job to create some type of scheme/execution that takes away the offense's primary options and puts them in crisis mode. We allowed Clemson to execute at a very high level and they didn't make mistakes with their opportunity to do so.

And for any G5 success in the playoffs as a lower seed.......

I saw a lot more speed at their RB and receivers than we had in our DB room

[Pikapp79]

Our DB’s are great at separation.

[appstatealum]

Have we stopped anyone? What an embarrassment Clemson putting their back ups in 2:00 into the second half.

They played 66 different players in the first quarter per the TV crew. Their back ups were being mixed in early and their back ups backs ups played most of the second half.
I hope last night was an aberration but I fear it wasn't. It also makes me wonder Just how scary is Georgia and could they beat the Panthers.

Georgia would get smoked by the Panthers. Don't be one of those guys (I'm pretty sure you are joking).

fwiw, a few years ago it was said Alabama, when they were at their zenith would be a 3 TD underdog to the worst NFL team at that time and if i recall correctly it was the Bengals.

No question. An NFL team is stacked with the best of the best from the college ranks. Georgia's O line would get mauled by Derrick Brown alone

[Mjohn1988]

How about position coaches? I didn’t see anything positive tonight. Next week is huge.

Positives:

Out kick coverage was solid.

Castle is RB1.

We have good WRs if Joey has time.

Harrington played well and we made solid open field tackles on the edges.

Please don’t take this the wrong way. I love Castle, kid as obviously worked his butt off but I’m not sure Castle being RB1 is a good thing for us. Put him beside say, Evans, and I’ll hope you understand what I’m saying. Again, great young man, love his effort and he certainly isn’t without talent. He was our only bright spot last night.

Don’t say it was a good thing, but last night he wanted it more.

No doubt, truth is the reason the young man is playing is because he wants it more. Again, lots of respect for the young man!

[311neers]

38 ppg so far. Not good.

[Black Saturday]

38 ppg so far. Not good.

I think we can throw out the first 2 games as any performance indicators since our opponents were skewed worst to best.

[T-Dog]

I want to know why AJ Howard, the DBs coach, got moved from the field to the booth for this game. Seems like something was wrong vs ETSU and that was an attempt to remedy it.

[AppStFan1]

38 ppg so far. Not good.

I think we can throw out the first 2 games as any performance indicators since our opponents were skewed worst to best.

Agreed. I would throw out both and go by the next 10 as the indicator whether our offense or defense is good.

[Saint3333]

38 ppg so far. Not good.

I think we can throw out the first 2 games as any performance indicators since our opponents were skewed worst to best.

Math says they should even out if they were the worst and best.

This game counts, that’s why they kept score.

[AppinVA]

38 ppg so far. Not good.

I think we can throw out the first 2 games as any performance indicators since our opponents were skewed worst to best.

Math says they should even out if they were the worst and best.

This game counts, that’s why they kept score.

It’s not like Olympic scoring where you throw out the Russian and British judges to get the true score?

[ASUFan4863]

I want to know why AJ Howard, the DBs coach, got moved from the field to the booth for this game. Seems like something was wrong vs ETSU and that was an attempt to remedy it.

AJ is the OLB coach. West (CB) and Sloan (S) are the DB coaches.

[Black Saturday]

38 ppg so far. Not good.

I think we can throw out the first 2 games as any performance indicators since our opponents were skewed worst to best.

Math says they should even out if they were the worst and best.

This game counts, that’s why they kept score.

Math says neither mean nothing the grand scheme of things, both were scrimmages.

[311neers]

38 ppg so far. Not good.

I think we can throw out the first 2 games as any performance indicators since our opponents were skewed worst to best.

Math says they should even out if they were the worst and best.

This game counts, that’s why they kept score.

Math says neither mean nothing the grand scheme of things, both were scrimmages.

Yesterday was a scrimmage for Clemson for sure

[Black Saturday]

38 ppg so far. Not good.

I think we can throw out the first 2 games as any performance indicators since our opponents were skewed worst to best.

Math says they should even out if they were the worst and best.

This game counts, that’s why they kept score.

Math says neither mean nothing the grand scheme of things, both were scrimmages.

Yesterday was a scrimmage for Clemson for sure

Yes, and for us too because we wont see that competition level again this season, btw I took Statistics more than once. lol