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Re: Sloan

Unread post by bcoach » Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:56 am

ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:14 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:56 am
Sloan defense held ECU to 13 points - Joey gave up 6 on a dumb pass.

Sloan is fine!! A new secondary will come together - it takes time. -- these kids don't get exhibition and scrimmages to figure it out.

I'd be more worried about Joey's decision making than any other part of the team at this point.

#TeamClark
Joey is fine. I had an All-22 view from my seats. There weren’t a lot of “WTF” moments against ECU. Even the pick 6 pass wasn’t that bad, considering Stroman waved his arm, which to a QB, says I’m open. Joey throws that down and to the left and it’s probably a completion.

He made a ton of throws yesterday that other App QB’s would have struggled to make. Without him, that game is a loss.

R-e-l-a-x

These offensive guys don’t get exhibition games.
But he didn't throw it down and to the left. I like him overall but he does make bad decisions.

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by AppSt94 » Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:02 am

bcoach wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:56 am
ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:14 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:56 am
Sloan defense held ECU to 13 points - Joey gave up 6 on a dumb pass.

Sloan is fine!! A new secondary will come together - it takes time. -- these kids don't get exhibition and scrimmages to figure it out.

I'd be more worried about Joey's decision making than any other part of the team at this point.

#TeamClark
Joey is fine. I had an All-22 view from my seats. There weren’t a lot of “WTF” moments against ECU. Even the pick 6 pass wasn’t that bad, considering Stroman waved his arm, which to a QB, says I’m open. Joey throws that down and to the left and it’s probably a completion.

He made a ton of throws yesterday that other App QB’s would have struggled to make. Without him, that game is a loss.

R-e-l-a-x

These offensive guys don’t get exhibition games.
But he didn't throw it down and to the left. I like him overall but he does make bad decisions.
He does make mistakes as do all players and QBs. Watching it live and then the replay, the ball was late but the DB, who is a legit NFL prospect made a great play on the ball. Not excusing the execution but sometimes you have to tip your cap to the other guy.

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by AtlAppMan » Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:27 am

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Two
Four O line standing or not locking up a defender
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One
5 defenders rushing against 8 offensive players protecting pocket/QB. When half line is not engaged against a defender we let two guys come in hot against Joey so he had to unload early.

And there are 2 WRs against 6 defenders now.

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by 311neers » Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:59 am

AtlAppMan wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:27 am
IMG_1673.jpeg
Four O line standing or not locking up a defender

IMG_1674.jpeg
5 defenders rushing against 8 offensive players protecting pocket/QB. When half line is not engaged against a defender we let two guys come in hot against Joey so he had to unload early.

And there are 2 WRs against 6 defenders now.
Almost looks like a flea flicker turned TE/RB slip screen with how many whiffed blocks we had.

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by MrCraig » Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:25 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:02 am
bcoach wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:56 am
ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:14 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:56 am
Sloan defense held ECU to 13 points - Joey gave up 6 on a dumb pass.

Sloan is fine!! A new secondary will come together - it takes time. -- these kids don't get exhibition and scrimmages to figure it out.

I'd be more worried about Joey's decision making than any other part of the team at this point.

#TeamClark
Joey is fine. I had an All-22 view from my seats. There weren’t a lot of “WTF” moments against ECU. Even the pick 6 pass wasn’t that bad, considering Stroman waved his arm, which to a QB, says I’m open. Joey throws that down and to the left and it’s probably a completion.

He made a ton of throws yesterday that other App QB’s would have struggled to make. Without him, that game is a loss.

R-e-l-a-x

These offensive guys don’t get exhibition games.
But he didn't throw it down and to the left. I like him overall but he does make bad decisions.
He does make mistakes as do all players and QBs. Watching it live and then the replay, the ball was late but the DB, who is a legit NFL prospect made a great play on the ball. Not excusing the execution but sometimes you have to tip your cap to the other guy.
That's the nature of a gun slinging QB. He's going to make some amazing, mind bending plays, but he's also going to throw some dumb stuff (and throw too much off his back foot). I think the positives are worth the negatives.

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by AppSt94 » Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:05 pm

MrCraig wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 12:25 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:02 am
bcoach wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:56 am
ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:14 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:56 am
Sloan defense held ECU to 13 points - Joey gave up 6 on a dumb pass.

Sloan is fine!! A new secondary will come together - it takes time. -- these kids don't get exhibition and scrimmages to figure it out.

I'd be more worried about Joey's decision making than any other part of the team at this point.

#TeamClark
Joey is fine. I had an All-22 view from my seats. There weren’t a lot of “WTF” moments against ECU. Even the pick 6 pass wasn’t that bad, considering Stroman waved his arm, which to a QB, says I’m open. Joey throws that down and to the left and it’s probably a completion.

He made a ton of throws yesterday that other App QB’s would have struggled to make. Without him, that game is a loss.

R-e-l-a-x

These offensive guys don’t get exhibition games.
But he didn't throw it down and to the left. I like him overall but he does make bad decisions.
He does make mistakes as do all players and QBs. Watching it live and then the replay, the ball was late but the DB, who is a legit NFL prospect made a great play on the ball. Not excusing the execution but sometimes you have to tip your cap to the other guy.
That's the nature of a gun slinging QB. He's going to make some amazing, mind bending plays, but he's also going to throw some dumb stuff (and throw too much off his back foot). I think the positives are worth the negatives.
100%. His biggest attribute is his short term memory.

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by Saint3333 » Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:17 pm

311neers wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:59 am
AtlAppMan wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:27 am
IMG_1673.jpeg
Four O line standing or not locking up a defender

IMG_1674.jpeg
5 defenders rushing against 8 offensive players protecting pocket/QB. When half line is not engaged against a defender we let two guys come in hot against Joey so he had to unload early.

And there are 2 WRs against 6 defenders now.
Almost looks like a flea flicker turned TE/RB slip screen with how many whiffed blocks we had.
Clark addressed the run blocking during the presser today. Say whatever you like about Clark, but he’s owned the issues everyone sees. Would be great if it clicks and all five plus skill players get on the same page Thursday. We have some horses at RB if we do.

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by ericsaid » Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:31 pm

bcoach wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:56 am
ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:14 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:56 am
Sloan defense held ECU to 13 points - Joey gave up 6 on a dumb pass.

Sloan is fine!! A new secondary will come together - it takes time. -- these kids don't get exhibition and scrimmages to figure it out.

I'd be more worried about Joey's decision making than any other part of the team at this point.

#TeamClark
Joey is fine. I had an All-22 view from my seats. There weren’t a lot of “WTF” moments against ECU. Even the pick 6 pass wasn’t that bad, considering Stroman waved his arm, which to a QB, says I’m open. Joey throws that down and to the left and it’s probably a completion.

He made a ton of throws yesterday that other App QB’s would have struggled to make. Without him, that game is a loss.

R-e-l-a-x

These offensive guys don’t get exhibition games.
But he didn't throw it down and to the left. I like him overall but he does make bad decisions.
Right, but from his view on the field, at that time, Revel wasn't in the picture. That play is why Revel is going to be a Top 32 draft pick, point blank. It was bad ball placement as much as anything else, and when you're being blitzed on 88% of your drop backs, decisions are bound to happen.

That and ECU covered the flea flicker better than I've seen any team cover it in a long time.

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by ericsaid » Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:32 pm

AtlAppMan wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:27 am
IMG_1673.jpeg
Four O line standing or not locking up a defender

IMG_1674.jpeg
5 defenders rushing against 8 offensive players protecting pocket/QB. When half line is not engaged against a defender we let two guys come in hot against Joey so he had to unload early.

And there are 2 WRs against 6 defenders now.
This is because you give the appearance of a run play, or a screen, and to do that you have to let guys go, I'd guess.

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by 311neers » Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:56 pm

ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:32 pm
AtlAppMan wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:27 am
IMG_1673.jpeg
Four O line standing or not locking up a defender

IMG_1674.jpeg
5 defenders rushing against 8 offensive players protecting pocket/QB. When half line is not engaged against a defender we let two guys come in hot against Joey so he had to unload early.

And there are 2 WRs against 6 defenders now.
This is because you give the appearance of a run play, or a screen, and to do that you have to let guys go, I'd guess.
We forgot to run the screen though. I've seen that play alot from other teams. Flea flicker to Rb or TE screen. Looks exactly like the images above. Solid 15-20 yard chunk plays, maybe more.

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by DenverOfTheEast » Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:58 pm

ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:14 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:56 am
Sloan defense held ECU to 13 points - Joey gave up 6 on a dumb pass.

Sloan is fine!! A new secondary will come together - it takes time. -- these kids don't get exhibition and scrimmages to figure it out.

I'd be more worried about Joey's decision making than any other part of the team at this point.

#TeamClark
Joey is fine. I had an All-22 view from my seats. There weren’t a lot of “WTF” moments against ECU. Even the pick 6 pass wasn’t that bad, considering Stroman waved his arm, which to a QB, says I’m open. Joey throws that down and to the left and it’s probably a completion.

He made a ton of throws yesterday that other App QB’s would have struggled to make. Without him, that game is a loss.

R-e-l-a-x

These offensive guys don’t get exhibition games.
Irrelevant -- comparing throws to past 1-AA QB's don't matter at that position as much as decision making. Chase Brice best arm of all time, Zac Thomas best leader, Taylor Lamb best decision maker, Armanti Edwards best athlete, Joey -- not sure yet....

He was a deer in headlights vs Clemson - he couldn't convert on 3rd down or move the chains to keep the defense off the field first two series. Just get a first down, probably calms that Tiger Storm.

2 INT's vs ECU - so you run a flee flicker to throw a 17 yard under thrown pass?? (WTF)

To whom much is given much is required!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He isn't new - he is returning SBC offensive player of year - he doesn't need the exhibitions like a new secondary does.

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by '75App » Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:37 pm

We are very fortunate to have #4! He probably could have jumped ship and made a lot more $$!

GO APPS!

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by ericsaid » Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:47 pm

DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:58 pm
ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:14 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:56 am
Sloan defense held ECU to 13 points - Joey gave up 6 on a dumb pass.

Sloan is fine!! A new secondary will come together - it takes time. -- these kids don't get exhibition and scrimmages to figure it out.

I'd be more worried about Joey's decision making than any other part of the team at this point.

#TeamClark
Joey is fine. I had an All-22 view from my seats. There weren’t a lot of “WTF” moments against ECU. Even the pick 6 pass wasn’t that bad, considering Stroman waved his arm, which to a QB, says I’m open. Joey throws that down and to the left and it’s probably a completion.

He made a ton of throws yesterday that other App QB’s would have struggled to make. Without him, that game is a loss.

R-e-l-a-x

These offensive guys don’t get exhibition games.
Irrelevant -- comparing throws to past 1-AA QB's don't matter at that position as much as decision making. Chase Brice best arm of all time, Zac Thomas best leader, Taylor Lamb best decision maker, Armanti Edwards best athlete, Joey -- not sure yet....

He was a deer in headlights vs Clemson - he couldn't convert on 3rd down or move the chains to keep the defense off the field first two series. Just get a first down, probably calms that Tiger Storm.

2 INT's vs ECU - so you run a flee flicker to throw a 17 yard under thrown pass?? (WTF)

To whom much is given much is required!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He isn't new - he is returning SBC offensive player of year - he doesn't need the exhibitions like a new secondary does.
He was a deer in headlights at Clemson? Have you gone back and watched the game? The receivers were literally being climbed on, through, and over. Joey was forced to throw to guys who couldn't get off of their defender and Clemson only had to rush four to get pressure.

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by mike87 » Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:48 pm

That short memory thing is good for armchair quarterbacks too.

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by DenverOfTheEast » Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:18 pm

ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:47 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:58 pm
ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:14 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:56 am
Sloan defense held ECU to 13 points - Joey gave up 6 on a dumb pass.

Sloan is fine!! A new secondary will come together - it takes time. -- these kids don't get exhibition and scrimmages to figure it out.

I'd be more worried about Joey's decision making than any other part of the team at this point.

#TeamClark
Joey is fine. I had an All-22 view from my seats. There weren’t a lot of “WTF” moments against ECU. Even the pick 6 pass wasn’t that bad, considering Stroman waved his arm, which to a QB, says I’m open. Joey throws that down and to the left and it’s probably a completion.

He made a ton of throws yesterday that other App QB’s would have struggled to make. Without him, that game is a loss.

R-e-l-a-x

These offensive guys don’t get exhibition games.
Irrelevant -- comparing throws to past 1-AA QB's don't matter at that position as much as decision making. Chase Brice best arm of all time, Zac Thomas best leader, Taylor Lamb best decision maker, Armanti Edwards best athlete, Joey -- not sure yet....

He was a deer in headlights vs Clemson - he couldn't convert on 3rd down or move the chains to keep the defense off the field first two series. Just get a first down, probably calms that Tiger Storm.

2 INT's vs ECU - so you run a flee flicker to throw a 17 yard under thrown pass?? (WTF)

To whom much is given much is required!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He isn't new - he is returning SBC offensive player of year - he doesn't need the exhibitions like a new secondary does.
He was a deer in headlights at Clemson? Have you gone back and watched the game? The receivers were literally being climbed on, through, and over. Joey was forced to throw to guys who couldn't get off of their defender and Clemson only had to rush four to get pressure.
Ive watched the kid -- his first at Clemson was almost a pic 6 -- camera zooms in on his eyes and it was "oh Sh*t" look all over his face.

His decision making must be on point at all times in order for THIS team to win a SBC title.

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by DenverOfTheEast » Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:19 pm

'75App wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:37 pm
We are very fortunate to have #4! He probably could have jumped ship and made a lot more $$!

GO APPS!
Kinda like Greyson McCAll over in Raleigh -- yeah he's really lighting it up 🙄

-- SBC QB's aren't P4 good enough, if so Mack Brown would get one.

The season rides and dies on #4 decision making....

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by 311neers » Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:20 pm

DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:18 pm
ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:47 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:58 pm
ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:14 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:56 am
Sloan defense held ECU to 13 points - Joey gave up 6 on a dumb pass.

Sloan is fine!! A new secondary will come together - it takes time. -- these kids don't get exhibition and scrimmages to figure it out.

I'd be more worried about Joey's decision making than any other part of the team at this point.

#TeamClark
Joey is fine. I had an All-22 view from my seats. There weren’t a lot of “WTF” moments against ECU. Even the pick 6 pass wasn’t that bad, considering Stroman waved his arm, which to a QB, says I’m open. Joey throws that down and to the left and it’s probably a completion.

He made a ton of throws yesterday that other App QB’s would have struggled to make. Without him, that game is a loss.

R-e-l-a-x

These offensive guys don’t get exhibition games.
Irrelevant -- comparing throws to past 1-AA QB's don't matter at that position as much as decision making. Chase Brice best arm of all time, Zac Thomas best leader, Taylor Lamb best decision maker, Armanti Edwards best athlete, Joey -- not sure yet....

He was a deer in headlights vs Clemson - he couldn't convert on 3rd down or move the chains to keep the defense off the field first two series. Just get a first down, probably calms that Tiger Storm.

2 INT's vs ECU - so you run a flee flicker to throw a 17 yard under thrown pass?? (WTF)

To whom much is given much is required!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He isn't new - he is returning SBC offensive player of year - he doesn't need the exhibitions like a new secondary does.
He was a deer in headlights at Clemson? Have you gone back and watched the game? The receivers were literally being climbed on, through, and over. Joey was forced to throw to guys who couldn't get off of their defender and Clemson only had to rush four to get pressure.
Ive watched the kid -- his first at Clemson was almost a pic 6 -- camera zooms in on his eyes and it was "oh Sh*t" look all over his face.

His decision making must be on point at all times in order for THIS team to win a SBC title.
So this is not "the year" now?

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by DenverOfTheEast » Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:22 pm

311neers wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:20 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:18 pm
ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:47 pm
DenverOfTheEast wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 1:58 pm
ericsaid wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:14 am


Joey is fine. I had an All-22 view from my seats. There weren’t a lot of “WTF” moments against ECU. Even the pick 6 pass wasn’t that bad, considering Stroman waved his arm, which to a QB, says I’m open. Joey throws that down and to the left and it’s probably a completion.

He made a ton of throws yesterday that other App QB’s would have struggled to make. Without him, that game is a loss.

R-e-l-a-x

These offensive guys don’t get exhibition games.
Irrelevant -- comparing throws to past 1-AA QB's don't matter at that position as much as decision making. Chase Brice best arm of all time, Zac Thomas best leader, Taylor Lamb best decision maker, Armanti Edwards best athlete, Joey -- not sure yet....

He was a deer in headlights vs Clemson - he couldn't convert on 3rd down or move the chains to keep the defense off the field first two series. Just get a first down, probably calms that Tiger Storm.

2 INT's vs ECU - so you run a flee flicker to throw a 17 yard under thrown pass?? (WTF)

To whom much is given much is required!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He isn't new - he is returning SBC offensive player of year - he doesn't need the exhibitions like a new secondary does.
He was a deer in headlights at Clemson? Have you gone back and watched the game? The receivers were literally being climbed on, through, and over. Joey was forced to throw to guys who couldn't get off of their defender and Clemson only had to rush four to get pressure.
Ive watched the kid -- his first at Clemson was almost a pic 6 -- camera zooms in on his eyes and it was "oh Sh*t" look all over his face.

His decision making must be on point at all times in order for THIS team to win a SBC title.
So this is not "the year" now?
What does that question have to do with the above discussion, THE best player must be the best player regardless of team or level...

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Re: Sloan

Unread post by appdaze » Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:22 pm

I feel bad for McCall at this point. Chodwell broke that young man, and he will never be the same.

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Re: Sloan

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appdaze wrote:
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I feel bad for McCall at this point. Chodwell broke that young man, and he will never be the same.
Chadwell made him --- he got his bell rung at Coastal and shoulda retired.

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