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I'll admit that I'm a little naive when it comes to NIL, but I thought the NIL had to come from organizations from outside the university, not directly from the university. Perhaps that has changed. But if not, the money we get from a Sun Belt team making the playoffs could not go into a NIL fund, rather help us with the East Side stands renovation.
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i'm fully pulling for JMU to make the playoffs, theres tangible and intangible benefits.
Tangible is the $$ already discussed.
Intangible-breaking the glass ceiling for sun belt teams to give us a more "equal" footing with AAC and PAC teams in the future. App will be 12-1 or 13-0 next year and if the playoff team from the previous year was a sun belt team it could factor in the bias of the committee.
Plus the AAC is easily having its best year since losing its top brands, and if it doesn't translate into a playoff experience it just plays into the overall feeling that the AAC is simply another G6 conference and not a cut above.
Seeing the conference distributions really shows how far behind the sun belt is. Theres no reason that ECU should be getting 4X+ distribution as us, when our national brand eclipses theirs at this point. Having playoff teams=eyeballs=negotiating power.
Tangible is the $$ already discussed.
Intangible-breaking the glass ceiling for sun belt teams to give us a more "equal" footing with AAC and PAC teams in the future. App will be 12-1 or 13-0 next year and if the playoff team from the previous year was a sun belt team it could factor in the bias of the committee.
Plus the AAC is easily having its best year since losing its top brands, and if it doesn't translate into a playoff experience it just plays into the overall feeling that the AAC is simply another G6 conference and not a cut above.
Seeing the conference distributions really shows how far behind the sun belt is. Theres no reason that ECU should be getting 4X+ distribution as us, when our national brand eclipses theirs at this point. Having playoff teams=eyeballs=negotiating power.
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I am absolutely pulling for JMU to make it to the playoffs...as spectators, riding a crappy bus to get there, sitting in the cheap seats, and getting rained on the whole time!
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These are along my thoughts as well. We need someone from the SBC to break through. We want people talking positive about the conference we play in and get more recognition. I would love for it to be App but that's obviously not happening this year. Assuming JMU does make the playoffs, I don't want them getting boat raced. It just strengthens the arguement that the SBC/G6 doesn't belong and makes it harder for a deserving App team down the road to get in.BallantyneApp wrote: ↑Wed Nov 26, 2025 8:42 ami'm fully pulling for JMU to make the playoffs, theres tangible and intangible benefits.
Tangible is the $$ already discussed.
Intangible-breaking the glass ceiling for sun belt teams to give us a more "equal" footing with AAC and PAC teams in the future. App will be 12-1 or 13-0 next year and if the playoff team from the previous year was a sun belt team it could factor in the bias of the committee.
Plus the AAC is easily having its best year since losing its top brands, and if it doesn't translate into a playoff experience it just plays into the overall feeling that the AAC is simply another G6 conference and not a cut above.
Seeing the conference distributions really shows how far behind the sun belt is. Theres no reason that ECU should be getting 4X+ distribution as us, when our national brand eclipses theirs at this point. Having playoff teams=eyeballs=negotiating power.
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I wouldn't mind going back to the Myrtle Beah Bowl again, but it shows an 11am kickoff time and I'm getting too old for them awesome App State tailgates that start at 5am!!
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I'm 100% pulling for JMU to make the playoffs.
1- It will bring in more money to the SBC than all the other bowl games combined, which App State will get part of that money.
** $4 million for each of the 12 teams that makes the College Football Playoff
2- It will help recruiting in the SBC
3- It will help recruit to App State
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I'm guessing in 10 years max this won't be an issue. JMU will move on to a bigger conference. They have more resources and support than the rest of the sun belt schools do. If the American gets raided again, I think JMU is one of their targets.McLeansvilleAppFan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:48 pmI consider JMU to be there with GaSo and Marshall. I would just as soon see the world burn than see either be a leg up on App. That is a rivalry at its heart. I am willing to sink if that means my rival sinks as well.
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I think there will be a functional shift soon, especially once the big/sec split or the p4 split.rbarthle17 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:19 pmI'm guessing in 10 years max this won't be an issue. JMU will move on to a bigger conference. They have more resources and support than the rest of the sun belt schools do. If the American gets raided again, I think JMU is one of their targets.McLeansvilleAppFan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:48 pmI consider JMU to be there with GaSo and Marshall. I would just as soon see the world burn than see either be a leg up on App. That is a rivalry at its heart. I am willing to sink if that means my rival sinks as well.
I’m hoping we stay with jmu in either a new eastern league or the bones of another conference that gets eaten up by p2 consolidation
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I doubt that would be the case.AppWyo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 26, 2025 8:09 amNot to mention all of the better recruits that would want to come to your conference because you have gone to the playoffs as well as better students to attend your university. It is a win win for everyone. No matter how much it hurts that it is not Appalachian. However, I believe we will get there because we have been on top of the mountain before. Our school is different because we are the Mountaineers. It is not just a metaphor or an analogy for us, it is real...AppGrad78 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 26, 2025 8:01 amTo answer your question: About $214,000 ($3M divided by 14 Sun Belt teams) That’s probably more than enough to cover NIL money for the quarterback we’re going to need next season.
From the Great Google …
CFP payouts reward teams for advancing through the tournament, with a $4 million base for making the playoffs, another $4 million for the quarterfinals, and an additional $6 million for both the semifinals and the national championship game. Each participating team also receives $3 million per round to cover expenses. These funds are distributed to the team's conference, which then divides them among its member institutions.
Payout breakdown
Selection to CFP: $4 million for each of the 12 teams
Quarterfinals: An additional $4 million for advancing from the first round
Semifinals: An additional $6 million for reaching this stage
National Championship: An additional $6 million for each of the two finalists
Per-round expenses: $3 million for each round to cover travel and other costs
Conference and independent payouts
Conference teams: Payouts are distributed to their conferences, which then allocate the funds to member schools.
Independent teams: Independent institutions like Notre Dame keep all their earnings, which can give them a financial advantage over conference teams that have to share.
Example
A team that makes the CFP and advances to the semifinals will earn at least $10 million ($4 million for selection + $4 million for quarterfinals + $6 million for semifinals).
A team that wins the national championship could earn a total of $20 million ($4 million + $4 million + $6 million + $6 million), plus the $3 million per round expense money.
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I would be OK with JMU going to the playoff this year. I do not care for them but will give credit where it is due if they go.
We need to reestablish ourselves as the premier SBC program so JMU and other schools will say about us what we are saying about them. It's up to us.
We need to reestablish ourselves as the premier SBC program so JMU and other schools will say about us what we are saying about them. It's up to us.
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JMU has beaten one team with a winning record this year (Old Dominion). They do not have a signature win. They really don't have a playoff resume
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I do not know where the “JMU has more resources” story line started, but it’s not true. They have significantly higher student fees that provide the vast majority of their funding. That is where they outdistance us, but we are further ahead in true “fan support”. We sell more tickets and raise more money, they don’t have the “fan support” resources that we have. That being said, I don’t know why the narrative keeps getting repeated, it’s not true.rbarthle17 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:19 pmI'm guessing in 10 years max this won't be an issue. JMU will move on to a bigger conference. They have more resources and support than the rest of the sun belt schools do. If the American gets raided again, I think JMU is one of their targets.McLeansvilleAppFan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:48 pmI consider JMU to be there with GaSo and Marshall. I would just as soon see the world burn than see either be a leg up on App. That is a rivalry at its heart. I am willing to sink if that means my rival sinks as well.
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I agree 100% but...
they are squarely in the conversation.
And furthermore, why are we even discussing them to this extent?
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Hell, Western has more resources than we do, according to some here. I don’t understand the poor-mouthing, but the “we’re not good, rich, have no business, etc. mindset, has been going on for at least the last 50 years.t4pizza wrote: ↑Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:31 pmI do not know where the “JMU has more resources” story line started, but it’s not true. They have significantly higher student fees that provide the vast majority of their funding. That is where they outdistance us, but we are further ahead in true “fan support”. We sell more tickets and raise more money, they don’t have the “fan support” resources that we have. That being said, I don’t know why the narrative keeps getting repeated, it’s not true.rbarthle17 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:19 pmI'm guessing in 10 years max this won't be an issue. JMU will move on to a bigger conference. They have more resources and support than the rest of the sun belt schools do. If the American gets raided again, I think JMU is one of their targets.McLeansvilleAppFan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:48 pmI consider JMU to be there with GaSo and Marshall. I would just as soon see the world burn than see either be a leg up on App. That is a rivalry at its heart. I am willing to sink if that means my rival sinks as well.
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JMU’s NIL budget for football is just under $5M. Our budget is around $1.3M. So yeah, JMU has vastly more resources.t4pizza wrote: ↑Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:31 pmI do not know where the “JMU has more resources” story line started, but it’s not true. They have significantly higher student fees that provide the vast majority of their funding. That is where they outdistance us, but we are further ahead in true “fan support”. We sell more tickets and raise more money, they don’t have the “fan support” resources that we have. That being said, I don’t know why the narrative keeps getting repeated, it’s not true.rbarthle17 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:19 pmI'm guessing in 10 years max this won't be an issue. JMU will move on to a bigger conference. They have more resources and support than the rest of the sun belt schools do. If the American gets raided again, I think JMU is one of their targets.McLeansvilleAppFan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:48 pmI consider JMU to be there with GaSo and Marshall. I would just as soon see the world burn than see either be a leg up on App. That is a rivalry at its heart. I am willing to sink if that means my rival sinks as well.
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JMU in the college football playoffs and App as well as the rest of the Sun Belt can use it as a recruiting tool. We need you to come to App to take down JMU.
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I hope we are never using JMU as an incentive for a recruiting tool... Referencing to them to take them down is effectively stating to a recruit that they are better than us... I hope we never say that out loud to a recruit...
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To be fair, the Sun Belt teams used to say that about us.BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Wed Nov 26, 2025 3:30 pmI hope we are never using JMU as an incentive for a recruiting tool... Referencing to them to take them down is effectively stating to a recruit that they are better than us... I hope we never say that out loud to a recruit...
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Where did you get that information from, that JMU has $5 Million NIL budget for football? I haven't been able to locate single source that states that with any certainty. I find it odd that a school that can't sell as many tickets or raise as much money can somehow dwarf our NIL. Where does the money come from? More importantly, who is reporting these numbers and are they accurate? Please share those links because I have looked and can't find anything that states numbers.AppGrad78 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:49 pmJMU’s NIL budget for football is just under $5M. Our budget is around $1.3M. So yeah, JMU has vastly more resources.t4pizza wrote: ↑Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:31 pmI do not know where the “JMU has more resources” story line started, but it’s not true. They have significantly higher student fees that provide the vast majority of their funding. That is where they outdistance us, but we are further ahead in true “fan support”. We sell more tickets and raise more money, they don’t have the “fan support” resources that we have. That being said, I don’t know why the narrative keeps getting repeated, it’s not true.rbarthle17 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:19 pmI'm guessing in 10 years max this won't be an issue. JMU will move on to a bigger conference. They have more resources and support than the rest of the sun belt schools do. If the American gets raided again, I think JMU is one of their targets.McLeansvilleAppFan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 25, 2025 5:48 pmI consider JMU to be there with GaSo and Marshall. I would just as soon see the world burn than see either be a leg up on App. That is a rivalry at its heart. I am willing to sink if that means my rival sinks as well.