Keep Joey 2024 - NIL

[ASUFan4863]

It’s quite hilarious that everyone against a collective have a 79, 91 and 93 in their name. Get with the times. Don’t be mad with the consequences. A lot of FCS playoff mentality going on around here.

I bet that’s when college football meant something huh.

With a post like this you should be willing to disclose the total amount you’ve given to the Yosef and Club and NIL this past year.

I’ll hang up and listen.

Agree....waiting....

Around $900 as of now. My goal is to get to $1,000 by EOY. As a young alumni, I don’t give large amounts but I understand the importance of giving and the importance of this collective for us to remain competitive. My goal is to always do more than last year and right now I am on pace to double 2022.


That’s not the point of this though. Y’all can make this a pissing match if you want to. I’ll lose because I’m not as wealthy as majority on this board. The point is that college football is changing. If you want to win a championship, we need this collective to be successful. This isn’t FCS football anymore. If you don’t want to win a championship, then what are you doing here? Again, have a good day and go App. Got bigger fish to fry today.

[appvette]

That's a question I'd like answered as well.

I thought the whole point of this thing was to allow an athlete to get paid if either of those 3 things were being used on a game, advertising or some other form of promotion. I didn't think the intent was to simply pay a college athlete for play.

That is the point, and there aren’t any athletes just getting paid directly to play. The dudes getting 6-7 figure NIL deals have to do commercials, photos for ads, in-person appearances, autograph signings, etc. It ain’t just for playing ball.

So how do I benefit from those commercials if I donate to the NIL fund?

You don’t, other than the satisfaction that the NIL collective is using your money in exchange for some sort of use of a player’s name, and that might make sure that player stays at App and/or experiences a higher standard of living.

I'm obviously being deliberately obtuse to make a point, but the whole thing is insanity to me. Everyone knows it is "pay to play" but nobody will admit it. It is completely illogical to pretend like individuals are giving to an "NIL fund".

In what other scenario would you give money to a business so they can pay a spokesperson? Did you give to Dior so they could pay Natalie Portman to ask what you would do for love?

[WASU 93]

As of now there are over 50 qb’s in the portal, a lot of them multiple year starters. That’s a lot of competition.

Exactly, it may be a supply and demand deal and everyone might not get paid. There are 133 starting positions. There are 50 QB's in the Portal. There are at least 2 QB's at every school who either can start (Burger/Joey) or think they can start. And, there are a group of Redshirt Freshman and incoming freshman who also are going to compete for jobs and back-up jobs. There are also P5 players (like a Clemson-era Chase Brice) who may be third string in 2023 and may be first string in 2024.

Making the Championship Game may be a great thing for us, because our players who may be considering transferring are not the first ones in line. They can look at the landscape prior to making their decision.

[ASUFan4863]

I’m sorry but I will not do this. I’ll continue to be a season ticket holder and donate to YC. But, I can’t get past the fact that this whole conversation treats a FREE 4 year education, access to trainers, nutritionists, housing, food and stipends like they are an entitlement. If it means we lose the best so be it. But if it happens to us it will happen to everyone else in the Sun Belt so field leveling is inevitable. This money is not raised by grassroots efforts. Deep pockets are pouring money in.

Sorry, but I am going to call you out - this is an outdated loser mentality. "if it means we lose the best so be it." People on this board with that same mentality will be griping when we do lose the best and when we lose games because of it.

Giving anything to the collective does make a difference at our school because we don't have many deep pockets. We have always done more with less and this collective doesn't change that, but it gives us a fighting chance to be competitive for championships so we can continue to develop, retain and attract the best players possible. This is a pivotal day for our programs. We are no longer taking a knife into a gunfight. We may always be up against a higher caliber gun until NIL is reformed for the better, but until then this is the way to provide our programs with a gun and ammo to shoot.

I'm so freakin' tired of seeing the word "loser" used towards people for having a different opinion or perspective. Are you not capable of forming a convincing argument without resorting to small minded bully tactics? This is such a bullshit sense of false superiority.

Lol this is funny to read as well. Small minded bully tactics? False superiority? Seriously? Leave it to this cesspool.

I said loser mentality. Because you know what will happen when we can’t retain players or attract players due to NIL? We will lose. We will lose to someone of the G5 level with that infrastructure and we will lose the opportunity of competing in the playoff. What will happen when we lose? People, like you, will be complaining that we are losing. Championships are the goal here correct? I thought they were at least.

[ASUFan4863]

Let us know when you start donating to the Carolina Panthers so they can pay their players better.

This is not about getting with the times. This is not old vs young. I've been an advocate for players to get paid for years. The student-athlete concept was a farce from the start. With that said, I will never give to an NIL fund. A school like APP will lose out more than win if they try buying the players. If you give a kid 500k to play for you, then he does great and transfers to the next team that can pay 1mil, then you just got F'ed. You're money is gone. Period. It's done. So then you throw another 500k at another athlete who does the same. This is going to be a lesson some of you will have to learn the hard way.

I will gladly give $25/month if it means a better chance to win a national championship. That should be the goal of everyone here. Sucks to see that’s not the case! Always do more than expected…. Unless it means I have to actually do more. Have a good night and go App!

I'd rather give the extra I have to my church.

Didn’t realize this was going to turn into a moral pissing match against tithing, livable wages and benefits for athletic trainers. But then again this is a message board.

Whether it’s YC or NIL. Everyone should give something.

What's your problem with paying athletic trainers? You need to understand there would be no program without them and they don't get a dime. Obviously you have no idea what they do. No trainers, no championship. I'll just throw in one last thing. When you grow up you will come to realize the older folks are why you have a program at all. You don't need to preach about giving to those who have been doing so since before you were a twinkle in you fathers eye.

Coach, I’m not going to let you make a disrespectful statement like that. That’s ridiculous. I made a generalization of the older generation not wanting to give to the NIL because they believe the FCS was the good ole days and don’t believe college football should be like this. I don’t disagree but it’s the way it is.

I know trainers are important. You are the one that took me supporting the collective and turned it into “oh well most of America doesn’t take home what they do already”. Completely missing the point, like most here.

[spacemonkey]

For the record...I do miss the FCS playoffs. I hope the powers that be figure our a way to get back to regional conferences with 8 teams and a 24 team playoff in FBS. It would be a lot of fun.

App
ECU
Charlotte
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
JMU
ODU
Liberty
Would be a fun conference schedule with the winner getting a shot at the playoffs would be fun.

I imagine a conference of
South Carolina
North Carolina State
UNC
Wake
Duke
Clemson
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Would be a lot of fun as well.

[WASU 93]

I’m sorry but I will not do this. I’ll continue to be a season ticket holder and donate to YC. But, I can’t get past the fact that this whole conversation treats a FREE 4 year education, access to trainers, nutritionists, housing, food and stipends like they are an entitlement. If it means we lose the best so be it. But if it happens to us it will happen to everyone else in the Sun Belt so field leveling is inevitable. This money is not raised by grassroots efforts. Deep pockets are pouring money in.

Sorry, but I am going to call you out - this is an outdated loser mentality. "if it means we lose the best so be it." People on this board with that same mentality will be griping when we do lose the best and when we lose games because of it.

Giving anything to the collective does make a difference at our school because we don't have many deep pockets. We have always done more with less and this collective doesn't change that, but it gives us a fighting chance to be competitive for championships so we can continue to develop, retain and attract the best players possible. This is a pivotal day for our programs. We are no longer taking a knife into a gunfight. We may always be up against a higher caliber gun until NIL is reformed for the better, but until then this is the way to provide our programs with a gun and ammo to shoot.

I'm so freakin' tired of seeing the word "loser" used towards people for having a different opinion or perspective. Are you not capable of forming a convincing argument without resorting to small minded bully tactics? This is such a bullshit sense of false superiority.

Lol this is funny to read as well. Small minded bully tactics? False superiority? Seriously? Leave it to this cesspool.

I said loser mentality. Because you know what will happen when we can’t retain players or attract players due to NIL? We will lose. We will lose to someone of the G5 level with that infrastructure and we will lose the opportunity of competing in the playoff. What will happen when we lose? People, like you, will be complaining that we are losing. Championships are the goal here correct? I thought they were at least.

I don't think it's about individuals giving to a collective. We already come up short with our Yosef Club Membership. If you put it on the backs of individuals, it's not going to become the type of program that you are suggesting.
I think it's about hiring a super-salesperson who can market what we have on the Mountain to businesses off the mountain. The NIL corporate memberships/game sponsorships need to span from Charlotte to Winston-Salem to Hickory to Asheville, etc. There needs to a a 90's NASCAR type relationship between these corporate sponsors and our fanbase. Everyone wanted to sponsor NASCAR in that era because the fan loyalty was unlike any other fanbase. Fans bought Tide, shopped at Lowe's and used Valvoline and bought Die Hard or Exide or Interstate Batteries because they supported the sport the fans loved.


In a small town market, there needs to be a big vision to accomplish this.

The other option is to zig when the others are zagging. Recruit players that want to be a part of a program that is different, is aligned tighter and is focused on the field vs. at the teller. This is where you need a coach like Shawn Clark to work out and be a long term solution. Recruit players who want to be there and welcome those that were spurned by the big $$$ P5 machine. That doesn't mean that you'll never have misses or lose a few players here and there. It just means that you extend and accentuate the success, culture and positives of the program. We keep the chip on our shoulders and keep the underdog mentality.

And it could be a combination of both.

[goapps93]

I find it hilarious when posters say they have bigger fish to fry, or good night, like they’re moving on, yet they continue to come back and tell others they’re losers who don’t want us to win, even questioning their very existence as a fan in this cesspool of a message board.

[bcoach]

Why would someone pay a student athlete $ for NIL if they're not using and benefiting from his name, image, or likeness?

That's a question I'd like answered as well.

I thought the whole point of this thing was to allow an athlete to get paid if either of those 3 things were being used on a game, advertising or some other form of promotion. I didn't think the intent was to simply pay a college athlete for play.

That is the point, and there aren’t any athletes just getting paid directly to play. The dudes getting 6-7 figure NIL deals have to do commercials, photos for ads, in-person appearances, autograph signings, etc. It ain’t just for playing ball.

Wait a minute. I thought they didn't have time for jobs? I am very sorry, what we have is pay for play.

[ASUFan4863]

I find it hilarious when posters say they have bigger fish to fry, or good night, like they’re moving on, yet they continue to come back and tell others they’re losers who don’t want us to win, even questioning their very existence as a fan in this cesspool of a message board.

Go App! Have a great and blessed day!

[PhillyApp1]

60% of PortHoles fail at new school or don't even make it to a school

Think about THAT..... unless they are guaranteed a starting spot at a P5 school, ITS A HUGE GAMBLE!!!

Gamble ON ....... shake my head

[bcoach]

I will gladly give $25/month if it means a better chance to win a national championship. That should be the goal of everyone here. Sucks to see that’s not the case! Always do more than expected…. Unless it means I have to actually do more. Have a good night and go App!

I'd rather give the extra I have to my church.

Didn’t realize this was going to turn into a moral pissing match against tithing, livable wages and benefits for athletic trainers. But then again this is a message board.

Whether it’s YC or NIL. Everyone should give something.

What's your problem with paying athletic trainers? You need to understand there would be no program without them and they don't get a dime. Obviously you have no idea what they do. No trainers, no championship. I'll just throw in one last thing. When you grow up you will come to realize the older folks are why you have a program at all. You don't need to preach about giving to those who have been doing so since before you were a twinkle in you fathers eye.

Coach, I’m not going to let you make a disrespectful statement like that. That’s ridiculous. I made a generalization of the older generation not wanting to give to the NIL because they believe the FCS was the good ole days and don’t believe college football should be like this. I don’t disagree but it’s the way it is.

I know trainers are important. You are the one that took me supporting the collective and turned it into “oh well most of America doesn’t take home what they do already”. Completely missing the point, like most here.

Disrespectful ststement? You lost me on that one. If most are missing your point maybe you should lake a longer look at your point. You generalizations are just way off base. Disagreeing and not contributing to pay for play really have nothing to do with FCS. By the way the FCS thing is worn out, and needs to be replaced with new material. So just get back to me on what was disrespectful and inacurate with what I had to say.

[AppStFan1]

60% of PortHoles fail at new school or don't even make it to a school

Think about THAT..... unless they are guaranteed a starting spot at a P5 school, ITS A HUGE GAMBLE!!!

Gamble ON ....... shake my head

Indeed but when you are 19 or 20 you don't think you will be among the 60%.

[MrCraig]

Why would someone pay a student athlete $ for NIL if they're not using and benefiting from his name, image, or likeness?

That's a question I'd like answered as well.

I thought the whole point of this thing was to allow an athlete to get paid if either of those 3 things were being used on a game, advertising or some other form of promotion. I didn't think the intent was to simply pay a college athlete for play.

That is the point, and there aren’t any athletes just getting paid directly to play. The dudes getting 6-7 figure NIL deals have to do commercials, photos for ads, in-person appearances, autograph signings, etc. It ain’t just for playing ball.

I completely get that but very few of these athletes who do these commercials, photos, etc really add little value. I've heard Drake Maye on a radio ad for some heating and air company. I can't believe that their business has increased because Maye says "this is Drake Maye I like Joe Blow H&A". Now the bigger national companies like Dr. Pepper with Williams are a different story. I've seen a few of those where the athletes do a pretty good job. I think I recall a cell phone commercial where a couple of (unknown to me) Kentucky basketball players pretty much just walk through the room and say a couple of things. Not one bit memorable. It is what it is.

Oh I’m definitely not disagreeing that the name, image, or likeness is rarely worth what they are being paid.

[ASUTodd]

In watching this Toledo Miami(OH) game, the commentators keep talking that the Toledo QB is the projected 9th QB taken in the draft. They stated he, along with several others on Toledo, were offered to jump to P5 teams and they all said they were going to stay because of what they had at Toledo and they wanted to "run it back". Hopefully our guys have the same mentality.

[Cro-Magnon App]

Do you believe a certain percentage (though probably small) of college players transfer to get out of the game? They realize they do not enjoy the rigors of college football, not getting any NIL dollars, maybe don’t like college at all, and DO NOT want to go in and tell the coach they want out. They’ve heard the “rah, rah, nothing goes before the team, we don’t quit, loyalty to the brotherhood, etc.” for a year or more and to transfer out of football is the easy way out without having to face the staff or team.

[Yosef84]

I’m sorry but I will not do this. I’ll continue to be a season ticket holder and donate to YC. But, I can’t get past the fact that this whole conversation treats a FREE 4 year education, access to trainers, nutritionists, housing, food and stipends like they are an entitlement. If it means we lose the best so be it. But if it happens to us it will happen to everyone else in the Sun Belt so field leveling is inevitable. This money is not raised by grassroots efforts. Deep pockets are pouring money in.

Sorry, but I am going to call you out - this is an outdated loser mentality. "if it means we lose the best so be it." People on this board with that same mentality will be griping when we do lose the best and when we lose games because of it.

Giving anything to the collective does make a difference at our school because we don't have many deep pockets. We have always done more with less and this collective doesn't change that, but it gives us a fighting chance to be competitive for championships so we can continue to develop, retain and attract the best players possible. This is a pivotal day for our programs. We are no longer taking a knife into a gunfight. We may always be up against a higher caliber gun until NIL is reformed for the better, but until then this is the way to provide our programs with a gun and ammo to shoot.

I'm so freakin' tired of seeing the word "loser" used towards people for having a different opinion or perspective. Are you not capable of forming a convincing argument without resorting to small minded bully tactics? This is such a bullshit sense of false superiority.

Lol this is funny to read as well. Small minded bully tactics? False superiority? Seriously? Leave it to this cesspool.

I said loser mentality. Because you know what will happen when we can’t retain players or attract players due to NIL? We will lose. We will lose to someone of the G5 level with that infrastructure and we will lose the opportunity of competing in the playoff. What will happen when we lose? People, like you, will be complaining that we are losing. Championships are the goal here correct? I thought they were at least.

Here's the problem: My comment had nothing to do with the reality of NIL. I posted about condescending and rude tactics being used with other App fans. Please work on your reading comprehension. "Leave it in the cesspool"? What does that even mean in this context? Pretty weak stuff. Look, I understand how NIL works and like it or not, it's the reality, but people have a right to their opinions and they have a right to support the NIL or not. Many of those people are the ones who built this program through their support and contributions. It's not your job to "call out" other fans when you have zero information.

Look, I have no beef with you. I'm sure you're a good fan and your comments were well intended. You just touched a hot button issue for me. That "loser" word (yes even with "mentality afterwards") is BS. Just make your point without passing judgment on the attitudes or "mentality" of people you don't know. That's all. Pretty simple.

Finally...YES. The goal of App State Football is and always will be winning championships. On that we absolutely agree.

GO APPS! BEAT TROY

[Saint3333]

It’s quite hilarious that everyone against a collective have a 79, 91 and 93 in their name. Get with the times. Don’t be mad with the consequences. A lot of FCS playoff mentality going on around here.

I bet that’s when college football meant something huh.

With a post like this you should be willing to disclose the total amount you’ve given to the Yosef and Club and NIL this past year.

I’ll hang up and listen.

Agree....waiting....

Around $900 as of now. My goal is to get to $1,000 by EOY. As a young alumni, I don’t give large amounts but I understand the importance of giving and the importance of this collective for us to remain competitive. My goal is to always do more than last year and right now I am on pace to double 2022.


That’s not the point of this though. Y’all can make this a pissing match if you want to. I’ll lose because I’m not as wealthy as majority on this board. The point is that college football is changing. If you want to win a championship, we need this collective to be successful. This isn’t FCS football anymore. If you don’t want to win a championship, then what are you doing here? Again, have a good day and go App. Got bigger fish to fry today.

I’m not sure you’re grasping the disparity in funding. Please continue giving, but I’ll continue to give to the general scholarship fund that goes to all student athletes that want to be at App not just the ones that want to make this professional sports.

[Pikapp79]

It’s quite hilarious that everyone against a collective have a 79, 91 and 93 in their name. Get with the times. Don’t be mad with the consequences. A lot of FCS playoff mentality going on around here.

I bet that’s when college football meant something huh.

With age comes wisdom. Don’t be stupid.

[yosef69]

It’s quite hilarious that everyone against a collective have a 79, 91 and 93 in their name. Get with the times. Don’t be mad with the consequences. A lot of FCS playoff mentality going on around here.

I bet that’s when college football meant something huh.

With age comes wisdom. Don’t be stupid.

With age also comes a propensity to be unwilling to accept change.